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Perfect 10 | 28 | 46.67% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 15 | 25.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 16 | 26.67% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 1 | 1.67% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-02-23, 16:18 | Link #62 |
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I think that's still a bad move by the queerats. What if those humans they treat as nothing but weapons for war decide to rebel? Even one of them can take them all out, imagine a group.
I guess they might intend to brainwash them, though. We've seen Squealer is certainly not above such methods.
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2013-02-23, 16:22 | Link #64 | |
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1) A fiend just a human who can kill other humans 2) A normal human who later on cracks and then is capable of killing humans. If it is no. 1 than I guess we can still call the child a fiend. If it is number 2 then no I would say the child is not a fiend. But remember Satoru & Saki did not realize right away who the child was, naturally their first assumption of a human killing another human would be a fiend. Once they find out the child is Maria & Mamoru's that might change their perspective?
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2013-02-23, 16:23 | Link #65 |
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By the way, can anyone explain why Shisei was defeated by "cantus leakage", what it is and why it can't be defended against?
I don't understand why it seemed like he'd be able to at least stall against normal attacks, but such a thing would be indefensible. Or what cantus leakage even is to begin with.
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2013-02-23, 16:32 | Link #67 | |
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However, I don't think the queerats are wrong to believe it is necessary to kill all the Cantu users. From their perspective, they do not know which humans might be nice to them and which will kill them. Even Saki views them as subhuman and their lives essentially meaningless. After all, she watches Kiroumaru slaughter several colonies without showing any trace of emotion. Additionally, the humans were going to annihilate the Robber Fly colony for simply winning a battle the humans had not wanted them to win, which to the queerats shows that they exist at the whims of humanity. Destroying humanity is really the only option for them once they rebel. |
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2013-02-23, 16:34 | Link #68 | |
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2013-02-23, 16:42 | Link #70 | |
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You see how that logic works. So basically the solution of the story is total destruction of one species?
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2013-02-23, 16:48 | Link #71 | |||
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A) What happened to the scientists? They're running the village. (Question: Saki awoke to her power late? What would have happened to her, had she not awakened to it at all?) B) Why transform humans into bakenezumi? Improved soldiers to fight cantus users. Those mutants don't occur naturally. Either the bakenezumi make them on purpose, or it's in their genetic code to be able to produce them. The bakenezumi were probably anti-cantus-user shock troops from the beginning. [If this is true, imagine the moment Yakumaru found out... Having a Queen rule them is suddenly not just a biological inevitablility, but an engineered attempt at social and genetic control. You can tailor an entire colony to your needs, after all, by only tampering with one individual. Mole rats are the only mammals that offer that opportunity, and mammals would be more compatible with humans than insects...] Quote:
Seriously, I'm intrigued, too. I have no theories at all. *** Add me to the people who didn't quite understand how the child defeated Shiisei, and what that's got to do with cantus leakage. My best guess is that when you use your powers, those powers have to connect somewhere with the outside world, so you can never defend yourself completely. It's also possible that Shiisei is very sensitive to other people's cantus (e.g. the shockwave in that Shun-scene). I'm wildly guessing, but I don't quite get it. I think I might have missed something vital. |
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2013-02-23, 16:59 | Link #72 |
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I was under the strong impression that death feedback is part of the hypnosis/ritual they undergo as we saw Saki undergo in episode 1, which-if true-means there's an outside chance it could be removed, and I was assuming that was why Tomiko was sending Saki to the Temple of Purity in the first place, but next episode's preview doesn't seem to hint at all that that will occur, so who knows.
The child's identity is obviously going to affect Saki, who-to be blunt-isn't really showing any of the qualities Tomiko seems to believe a good leader should have, but at least Satoru seems to have a level head concerning the child, and I don't see him letting the child's identity stop him from doing what must be done, whatever that ends up being. As far as leakage is concerned, they explained in earlier episodes that fiends' cantus leaks and warps the world around them uncontrollably, which in this case is presumably a roundabout way of saying you CAN'T predict a fiend's actions completely, because while the fiend controls some of its actions, there's all that leaked cantus doing whatever it wants that simply can't be predicted.
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2013-02-23, 17:32 | Link #73 |
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Perhaps the baby rat is a new queen. Yakomaru probably killed or captured the old one so her offspring is the only hope for Kiromaru and his colony. Queens are not immortal so they must give birth to new queens from time to time.
I would also like to know how exactly Shiisei died. Are we certain that he is dead? His body was still in one piece and there was no blood. It just seems pointless to introduce his strange eyes, like he is some sort of mutant or the next step in evolution and then forget it. Maybe he has regenerative abilities. If any novel reader is reading this, I would like to be spoiled please. |
2013-02-23, 17:51 | Link #74 | |
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For the humans, on the other hand, they can achieve victory without resorting to killing every last queerat. In fact, they probably only need to kill a few (the fiend, Yakomaru, etc.) to see the rebellion crumble. Of course, that's easier said than done since this society seems to have no contingency plan in place to deal with a fiend once it emerges (it's completely unrealistic by the way, and the major failing of this story. If Shun decides not to kill himself then the whole society is doomed. Brilliant.) From the previews though it looks like Satoru might come up with a solution. |
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2013-02-23, 18:02 | Link #75 |
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There isn't supposed to be a need for a contingency plan, because they're supposed to kill/nip problems in the bud, and for that to work, you have to do a lot of nipping of buds-many of which probably never would have become problems.
And, it seemed to have worked fairly well for the most part until a hormonally-unbalanced teenage girl let her emotions get the better of her, even after essentially having the brutal facts of life laid out to her, and allowed two "wmds" to walk free. Yes, I realize there's some humor in realizing hormonally-unbalanced teens haven't caused far more outbreaks of fiends than have occurred, but...it's a work of fiction, so we have to cut them some slack. That said, you're right that it can't be sustained for long lengths of time. After all, all it takes is one mistake for horrible disaster to happen. Keep in mind, however, that the era they live in isn't one where it's easy for a human being to live alone, so one can presume that on the occasional occurrence where a mistake occurs, nature manages to take its course and keep that mistake relatively local in nature. The rats taking babies to essentially grow an army of fiends is a new twist that I imagine the humans never ever thought to guard against, as the main difference here is that the fiend is not likely to burn out quickly on its own, due to being fed and nurtured and sheltered by the rats.
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2013-02-23, 18:08 | Link #76 | |
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I think he's mixed some lies in the truth however. Wiping humans off the face of the earth was definitely not the only solution. As far as we know, they haven't even tried to sit down and talk things through with the humans. I am also not convinced the humans were exactly the kind of tyrants Yakomaru made them out to be. They monitored the queerats and required obedience from them but they still let them enjoy a relative degree of freedom. Some of them didn't even obey humans (like the colony that attacked the kids and the priest) and yet were apparently left alone. Humans never even meddled in their affairs, the fact they were able to set-up a democracy is a definite proof. It's definitely unfair that they were seen as inferior life-forms but I don't believe their situation was that bad. At least not bad enough to warrant such a crusade. To be honest, I'm not sure they will be better off under Yakomaru's rule. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this is exactly what happens. Countless times throughout history have revolutionaries become worse dictators than the ones they toppled. And history always repeats itself.
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2013-02-23, 18:17 | Link #77 | |
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Is the measure of superiority (both for the humans and the rats) who has the potential to kill every last one of the others species? edit: I do understand the rats have cause to fear a human who decides to massacre them all (in the same way the humans have a fear of a fiend) but I don't think the only solution has to be "kill them all".
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2013-02-23, 19:06 | Link #79 | |
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The renegotiation of their co-existence had to come from the humans. But instead of coping with and adjusting to the developments in the queerat world. They choose to leave everything as it was. Fearing the queerats's growth and technological advances but ever comfortable and confident in the notion that they could kill the critters at any time they pleased. For whatever they pleased. Comfortable in their arrangement. As for the tyranny aspect. The hideously normal voiced captured exposition queerat explanation was satisfactory. While 'tyranny' is indeed not a good word for the idea expressed. Their frustration with the gods is much like the cynical belief that there either is no God or that there is a God but He enjoys and causes our agony or could prevent it and chooses not to because He's a sick bastard with a twisted sense of humor. The humans are not 'tyrants' because they make the queerats submit forms before letting them go to war. They are 'tyrants' because they let the queerats go to war. They are 'tyrants' for not sharing the enlightened idea's of democracy and equality with the queerats. They are 'tyrants' because they hoard all knowledge left by those who came before in the fake minoshiro. Because they leave the queerrats to crawl in the dirt and starve and struggle. Sure the current generation of (local) humans in Shin Sekai Yori will suffer the consequences if they fail to exterminate all hostile queerats and kill the fiend. But faillying to do just that humanity will not go extinct. Japan is probably not the only scrap of land inhabited by humans and the captured human infants will be taken into the queerat society. As warrior slaves/pariah, at first I'm sure. But to take on the rest of Japan to say nothing of the the world (if that's really the queerats' intention) they'll need a long term strategy to integrate humans in their society. And perhaps they will succeed where humanity failed a thousand years ago in constructing a relatively peaceful modern society that can cope with a population of powerful PK-users. Last edited by Repelsteeltju; 2013-02-23 at 19:19. |
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2013-02-23, 19:27 | Link #80 | |
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If the monster rats are ultimately victorious here, I see a more likely end where in the future the children the monster rats have captured and enslaved to kill the humans would someday turn on their captors and kill them all, after all they are essentially creating a weapon whose purpose is to kill.
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