2008-11-06, 21:53 | Link #61 |
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Well, the chief reason people (like myself) had the idea that Hancock is Luffy's mother is pretty much because of one person: Kuma. See, at the end of Thriller Bark, he reveals that he knew about Luffy being Dragon's son, and that's not exactly common knowledge (remember how Garp's marines all freaked out when they found out about Dragon's identity?). Then at Sabaody, we see him have his little chat with Rayleigh, where he said he was "putting himself at risk" by making the Straw-Hats disappear. This is when people started to believe that Kuma was somehow connected to Dragon. So basically, fans speculated that there was some particular reason why Kuma sent Luffy to Amazon Lily. Why would he send Luffy to a remote island in the Calm Belt where men are forbidden from entering? Sure, it's interesting to see that the inhabitants are knowledgable about Haki, but could there have been a deeper reason? Maybe he was told of an important person who lived on the island from Dragon? And that's pretty much how people came to the conclusion that Luffy would meet his mother at the island, and well.... Hancock seemed to be the most likely candidate. And lo and behold, a grand (and potentially controversial) theory was born! ....A theory that has yet to be debunked, I might add. |
2008-11-06, 22:20 | Link #62 | ||
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Haki is different from stuff like Reiatsu, Chakra and Spiral Energy because its something thats straight out of real life. Just that Oda gave extreme potential to it in One Piece. Its a 'power up' that relates to the lives of human beings. Having it and can be taught how to use it, wasn't that what me and marvelB were saying? Back in the Haki thread, I already agreed and said that I should stop trying to explain the concept anymore and should just refer people to the thread. But it just keeps coming back, outside of the Haki thread. If you want to continue, you should do it at the Haki thread instead. Quote:
Because if my theory is true that Dragon was a slave, it further increases the probability that Hancock is Luffy's mum. I can imagine, if both Dragon and Hancock were slaves, they would have met and may have had a child some time after being freed.
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2008-11-06, 23:21 | Link #63 | |
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Yeah, I think people have to view Luffy's growth from a different perspective. Yes, he's been through many tough situations, but at Sabaody we've literally seen him at his worst yet. He got caught in what was ultimately a helpless situation. Suffering that kind of loss is obviously going to have an effect on his "ambition". Prior to Sabaody, Luffy hasn't really suffered true loss (he came close, but still hadn't truly experienced it). Those kinds of emotions can either make or break a person.... and it looks more than anything like the former held true for Luffy. So as was already said, Haki (aka ambition/aspiration/drive, etc.) is an instinct, so it doesn't need to be "taught" in the sense where you need to "learn" how to awaken it. It's already inside you. The strength of Haki is equivalent to the strength of a person's character. Luffy and Hancock both have the "king's disposition", so their Haki is greater than others'. In Hancock's case, she was able to develop such powerful Haki because she was being oppressed as a slave. Her will, her determination to survive such cruel circumstances is what undoubtedly strengthened her Haki. Perhaps her will to live was even greater than those of the other captured slaves. So after Fisher Tiger came along and rescued her, she managed to control her great Haki, and afterwards became the empress of Amazon Lily. Eventually she even became notorious enough to be offered the Shichibukai position by the very government that oppressed her in the first place. Yes, there's also her Mero Mero powers to take into account, but I'd like to think that she's strong enough to hold her own in battle without the use of petrifying her opponents.... ....Of course, I may as well be looking too deeply into this, but I really like the idea of Haki being more than a simple "energy source". We've had too much of that in many anime/manga as it is..... |
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2008-11-06, 23:46 | Link #64 |
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Doesn't that come to what Small One mentioned, that anything related to Haki is speculation. Isn't it better to use words suggesting that, instead of trying to make the views look factual? And, I have to add an example: if you can force that power on an object to make it stronger (meaning you can transfer that power and integrate into another), then, you cannot say it is different from those kinds of powers (especially, in the case of nen, you can use it to achieve the exact same goal, strengthening objects).
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2008-11-07, 00:05 | Link #65 | |
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I'll do this argument here the last time: Haki is an extremely common 'power up' that's used widely in Asian comics, namely Chinese manhwa and Japanese manga. Street fighter had Haki as a center of focus, Fist of the North Star had, even Super Robot Wars had a series of mechs powered by Haki. The concept of Haki comes straight from real life, its also a word that can be applied in real life. Its totally unlike Reiatsu and Chakra and such where you cannot actually use it in daily conversations to talk about or describe someone or something. Oda chose such a common and totally un-unique 'power up/ energy source' because it works can it fits the theme and workings of One Piece. Its a tried and tested formula that works and if I were less humble in my theories, I'd simply state that want I have been saying are facts based on the manhwa and manga I've read. Stuff like those named power-ups are only attempts to try and create uniqueness and to cut themselves away from realism. But Haki is different, its used to relate to us, real human beings while allowing itself to be a power-up. Haki is not a power that comes from nowhere, its the strength of the human will, the lifeforce and spirit of a living being. Its the human will and determination in effect. I'll quote Blackbeard D. Kuma's definition:
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2008-11-07, 10:23 | Link #68 |
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I think we ought to postpone this Haki debate for now.... after all, the full chapter's out.
So anyway, it should be noted that it's been confirmed that two days passed since the Sabaody incident. Also, the mark on the sisters' backs is actually the World Nobles' symbol, "The Hoof of the Soaring Dragon", which is meant to signify that slaves are less than human. Hancock also notes that not all of the Sun pirates may have been former slaves (I have a feeling that Arlong may have been a slave, though...). What else....? Oh yes, it's been confirmed that the sisters were fed their Devil Fruits while they were still slaves for the sake of entertainment (so yes, Mero Mero is a DF power), and Nyon was the one who brought them back to Amazon Lily after Tiger rescued them, since she was still out of the country herself at the time. So, the sisters used their DF powers to deceive the rest of the Kuja and came up with that phony Gorgon tale to hide the truth from them (as we've already speculated). Heh, one particular scene I found rather amusing is when Hancock called Luffy to her chambers. He was excited because he was expecting food, yet became disappointed when he found a topless Hancock waiting for him instead. You know the reverse would apply if Sanji were in Luffy's shoes. Still, now that Nyon's appeared, I hope we get to learn about her past soon.... |
2008-11-07, 10:44 | Link #69 | |
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Lol…that’s was so funny..and Luff’s reaction priceless “What are you doing all naked and stuff”….Hancock just felt frustrated about it…saying “Your rudeness never ceases to amaze me” I also laughed when Luffy bowed his head hitting it with the floor… Thinking more than been a relative of Luffy, I think Lufffy has another strong love Interest there with Boa (She said she like Luffy, and good looking girls sort of dig guys that treat her beauty indifferent…:P) remember that Luffy also have Lady Alvida!!! Going to the chapter, Oda is very good as setting up the line between bad people and good people, everything he has been doing in the last chapters, is setting us up to actually dislike the nobles, unlike other series where you really find trouble in disliking the bad guys, Oda always find a way where you are just wishing for the day the Bad Guys get a good kick in the ass.
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How did they control them? Well, the first thing is that they have the collar that explode, that’s a way to control them, the other ones is by using Sea stones. About the Haki, I highly doubt that they could use it properly by that time (Boa mentioned she hasn’t mastered her type so far)
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Now see, this is one of the chief reasons why I support the "Hancock is Luffy's mother" theory in the first place. I just feel that a love interest would be too much of a burden for Luffy, especially when he doesn't show that much interest in women in the first place (at least, not that kind of interest). I'm not saying that romance is a bad thing, but I'd like to think Luffy can take all the time in the world to find his "Pirate Queen" after he makes his dream of becoming Pirate King come true.... Heh, funny thing, though.... I was recently reading part 6 of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, and there was actually a flashback that involved two people who had no idea that they were related falling in love with each other. Imagine if a similar situation were to arise in OP..... Quote:
Rurik pretty much already said it, but it's simply because the World Nobles are assholes. Remember how Charlos was about to blow 500 million berry on Camie, just so he can place her in a piranha tank? It's a similar situation here. Plus, they already have the means to control slaves anyhow (exploding collars, seastone, etc.). Remember, very few people actually stood up to the Nobles, because that would mean making an enemy out of the entire government.... Quote:
That was a mistranslation. She was talking about Luffy's Haki. She may not have had full mastery of her own Haki when she was a slave, but I think we can safely assume at this point that Hancock has full control over it now.... Last edited by marvelB; 2008-11-07 at 11:41. |
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Either way, When it coes to luffy, loves is only a one way thing, in this case women to Luffy....Luffy mind is not really into women...is not that he doesnt like them..just, he likes eating even more... Quote:
Thanks..to say that to this age we still find mistranslations is regretable...
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So I was sorely wrong about the symbol on her back being an ensignia of Dragon... It was pretty disapointing the way it turned out, though. Seeing as they're friends of sorts, now Luffy won't get to fight Boa. It shows that the ShichiBukai won't be stormed through, but it's also sort of disheartening... I wanted to see her fight. Tops for this chapter as usual. Can't wait for the next.
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Reads chapter...
Well i was wrong about Nyon and the newspaper (though now we know its been 2 days since Luffy was sent flying)... however... thinks back to chapter 517 thread Quote:
incidently, the counter to that theory that hachi's mark was the mark of the sunny pirates was also correct now i wonder if my theory from the same thread will come to pass Spoiler:
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though i'm not saying anymore since the flashback was shown in 5 seconds and she doesn't display any of the other signs of a potential strawhat Though i will say that Boa may end up training Luffy in the ways of Haki on their way to the archipelago Quote:
i thought the theory stemmed from the idea that the mark on Boa's back was the same as Dragon's, Luffy's father and that Luffy recognized the mark from his more infantile years when he would not have a good enough memory to know his mother's own face... which is something that has been debunked Not to mention that Boa has no reaction to the name Monkey D. or Luffy And why would Kuma send Luffy to a man hating island... well when you take into account that it is also the island that specializes in the use of Haki and the Luffy has a legendary and rare form of Haki... yeah... you got all the reason you need right there Last edited by Slayerx; 2008-11-07 at 12:42. |
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2008-11-07, 12:36 | Link #79 |
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Slayerx, your a little off on the Tragic Past thing. What we have gotten from Hancock now is not the same flashback as the ones of those that becomme strawhats. It was more a illustration of her story, and it was what. 2 Pannels ? But that last image in the chapter surprised me. Hancock actualy seamed to blush. But i also noticed that even in this Chapter Margaret did get alot of attension.
First: She appears on first page and Luffy is checking "Her Statue" to make sure nothing is broken. On Page 4 She is sean in the background image as Luffy makes his bow. Then later we see her as she meets up with other warrior's. She got a full body pose again. The page after her face gets "blown up" in size and she mentions her flash back. Luffy also dident seam to "care as much" for the other two as he did for Margaret there. So that puts the theory of either of those two becomming a Strawhat rather dead. But the fact that Margaret got quite alot of showcase this chapter is definate. Oda doesent plan to "get rid of her yet". Well basicly Boa's past does not help her much towards joining the crew. Margaret is stil a higher chance of that. But Hancock might be the "reason" that Margaret joins with Luffy. |
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Anyone else reminded about how Luffy climbed up that ice covered mountain to save Nami in Chopper's intro arc...?
Hancock clearly ranks Luffy on a level of "great stupidity" she's only seen/heard of once in her whole lifetime. It seems likely to me that Hancock will personally give Luffy a lift back. Maybe this will lead to some rumour about Luffy+Hancock (Sanji is so going to go ballistic!) But what is Hancock going to do about her Shichibukai status and the Marine demands for her help fight against Whitebeard? Luffy still doesn't know about this - I think he'll be rather surprised Hancock is a Shichibukai. I suspect she wanted it to give her power/protection and basically ignored the WG/Marine requests until now - she wouldn't want to obey a bunch of WG men. Perhaps she and the rest of the crew on the ship (which will certainly include Margaret) will get dragged into the war along with Luffy. I think she will quickly decide (at some point) that her Shichibukai status will no longer be of any value. Instead, to protect the island, it may be better to actively rebel against the WG instead...
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