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View Poll Results: Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Second Season - Episode 3 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 |
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140 | 54.47% |
9 out of 10 : Excellent |
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69 | 26.85% |
8 out of 10 : Very Good |
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31 | 12.06% |
7 out of 10 : Good |
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8 | 3.11% |
6 out of 10 : Average |
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6 | 2.33% |
5 out of 10 : Below Average |
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0 | 0% |
4 out of 10 : Poor |
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0 | 0% |
3 out of 10 : Bad |
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0 | 0% |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad |
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0 | 0% |
1 out of 10 : Painful |
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3 | 1.17% |
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I disagree with you all.
Join Date: Dec 2005
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CB relied on a computer that nobody understood, and treated it like an oracle, like a messenger from God. It also was very secretive about its goals - no political front at all, just secret societies moving god knows how. So, yeah. From the moment someone hacked into Veda, they were screwed. And even before that... Quote:
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Logician and Romantic
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Within my mind
Age: 43
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Second, CB HAD the pen. That pen was the Corner family, who was suppose to influence the UN in a positive direction. And Ribbons was suppose to help. The Meisters are the swords, and they assumed that their counterparts would do their jobs with the pen. Things didn't work out, but that's why there is a backup plan. Quote:
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Star Designer
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Location: Europe
Age: 38
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I also won't be a naive 'Wing' idealist and say that talks can solve everything. There are more then plenty of situations and 'worlds' where talking will get more people killed or just won't solve anything. Would talking solve the problems of 00 world? 300 years of talking didn't change a thing. Would talking change the ways of A-Laws? Would anything change their way if a tyrannical ruler gives them full authority over people's lives while those who have their peace accept this rule? Maybe, just maybe CB right now tries to find that answer and their first step is the very core of the misconduct.
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A blast from the past
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Location: Fortaleza-CE, Brazil
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I disagree with you all.
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Secret Society BLANKET
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Location: 3 times the passion of normal flamenco
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According to the World Report Book, long before the interventions CB had been shaping the development of the world in the shadows, in fact Veda had a hand in steering the world towards favoring Solar Energy and foresaking nuclear power (a major nuclear accident in the Middle East several years back was only to their advantage, whether intentionally or not is unknown).
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Link #588 | |
Star Designer
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Location: Europe
Age: 38
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This was the end result of CB's Plan to change the world. I wish you would not omit crucial info. How can you win against the odds I've presented you with? What we've been presented in the 00 world. No one could for 300 years of time. Yet, CB did more then just descend and fight. Their ideology produced favorable results. Wasn't that shown over and over in the series ... ?
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Link #589 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2007
Age: 38
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![]() CB's goal was to unite the world under one flag to put an end to war and consent never ending power struggles in S1 they reached that goal just not the way they planned. The world became united under the Federation but it's been corrupted so now CB need to come back to purge the corruption a.k.a the A-LAWS. You see they are not take over the world but save it because the A-LAWS won't stop their fighting.
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Link #590 |
I disagree with you all.
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Any... "peace" obtained from fear of the CB would be temporary at best. For one thing, there'll always be someone to fire the first shot. And then what?
People don't fight just for the fun of it. They certainly don't blow themselves up just for the fun of it. What can four gundams do against that? Besides, eventually, people would smarten up and move the fight against the CB where MS just aren't relevant. And note, that was then. Now, they've lost most of their technological advantage, and they've lost Veda. And they're still trying to make the world give up on its right to defend itself by fighting it. |
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Lost in my dreams...
Join Date: Jun 2006
Age: 37
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And i actually didn't like Setsuna's little 'lecture' to Saji. I didn't like the underlying message (however unintentional it might be) that they are ultimately justified in destroying some lives as long as their objectives "for the greater good" are met. They are basically fanatics that think they are justified in whatever they are doing (And worst - their thought process doesn't seem very far-reaching), and that any accidents along the way, however unfortunate. are justified as well. They are not a rational organization, nor was Setsuna's argument a rational one, nor is there any objective assertion their existence was actually justified in the first place.
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Link #592 | |
Star Designer
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Location: Europe
Age: 38
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Besides, what you described is the present situation of 00 world. In your version the CB is the ruler and executor but just look at the situation. Switch this CB of yours with A-Laws and you get your answer.
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Edinburgh
Age: 42
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Well CB is not Setsuna, so his opinion doesn't reflect CB or Schenberg vision at all. Actually Setsuna and all the other members shouldn't do any thinking at all, they are soldiers, and recruiting new members is a big no no, if veda was still accessible. If we consider that the ulitmate goal for CB is to fulfil Schenberg vision, then Ribbons might be closer to the objective than the (headless) CB organisaion, at the moment.
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I disagree with you all.
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Secret Society BLANKET
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Location: 3 times the passion of normal flamenco
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I do kinda like how the 00 has always portrayed each side's respective idealogies: While deep down they know they might be wrong, they believe anyway because it's what they know and do, and how there's no "perfect" ideal being preached around.
Like Lasse said, "People will die whether we do anything or not".
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I'm saying that the world which has a defined target as CB is not possible as CB would not become something like a tyrannical ruler, demonized and hated. Their mission was to ignite the change and they succeeded.
A world where such ruler exists, the world you said that would go create war once more is the world we are witnessing right now, that we witnessed for the past 3 episodes of 00. Quote:
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Link #597 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Philadelphia, Pa
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Link #598 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: cloud cuckoo land
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Hm. Interesting discussion here XD
I think that it is easy to sympathize with CB, since they're the protagonists and we're all fans of the meisters. It is fiction, and hence, we have heroes and typical villains who cause misunderstandings, war etc., like corner, ribbons, the Thrones or Ali. But try to imagine such an organisation in real life. It gets a lot harder to accept their behaviour if you think realistically. And that's why I have to agree with Anh_Minh. After CB intervened in S1, the previously "scattered", "small"/"compressed" conflicts got a much greater dimension (the world wasn't, like, in a total chaos with everyone killing everyone), broadening the suffering so that "normal, lucky people" like Saji, felt the consequences, too. Okay, then, why not argue like Setsuna ("Is it okay for others to suffer?"): If 1 out of 10 people suffers, let's torture the remaining 9, too so that we are all equal - that way we will bring peace! So okay, they chose this war for a good cause, using the motto "the end justifies the means", causing the world to concentrate shoot at CB instead of themselves. But did this lead to sustainable peace? The moment CB retreated, we saw what became of the world: a sinister group gained control. And who says that any other group wouldn't exploit their powerful position - I mean, we're talking about ruling the world here! The world was only a union as long as CB was there. It was a ridiculous idea to have "one" peaceful world anyway, there are different countries, cultures, religions and they cannot be unified. Conflicts are bound to happen because no one wants to give up their power. Humans are aggressive, there is no doubt about it and it will be never changed. The best thing that can be done is to keep this agression down. I'm not saying that it is okay for people in particular countries to suffer from war, but spreading the war, turning it into a "war against the world" is surely not the right solution, either. The current situation with A-Laws inventing automatic killing machines etc., is caused by CB, that is my opinion. That is why I am for CB taking responsibility for their actions in S2. But S1 was clearly their fault. They worsened the situation, for what are the A-Laws any different from the terrorist groups who destroyed Setsuna's and Neil's lives? |
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Join Date: May 2007
Age: 38
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I actually enjoyed Setsuna's talk with Saji because it shows how people can be naive most people are when it comes to their understanding on the how painful the world can be. There are people who suffer everyday of their lives but most just shrug it off because "Hey it's not my problem."
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I disagree with you all.
Join Date: Dec 2005
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And you don't need a "tyranical ruler" for tensions to flare. And what would the CB have done about that? |
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