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Kerooooo · 2005-12-28, 05:24

More and more I find myself fast forwarding during anime eps, being bored with the antics, annoyed with one ep sluginess, etc... That kind of break the flow of the story sometimes but well

Has the massive fansub-availability lead you to behave like a spoiled and hyperactive kid too ?

Do you have any other bad habits during your anime-watching sessions ? (no nudity please

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~~mangatron~~ · 2005-12-28, 05:39

It is really hard to fast forward on the air anime you know

...unless you have a Tivo type of thing.

But, say about DVD's, yeah, I fast forward to the scenes that I want to watch again and again. At to the point where I would encode that particular scene for plaback on my Pocket PC

Cloudnine · 2005-12-28, 05:46

I think "vandalize" might be a wrong term to use in this case ^^;; Somehow, it feels like I'm doing something naughty... *stops watching Ichigo Mashimaro...* I would be lying if I said I didn't have any bad habits, but it's kind of difficult to think up of some.

Hmmm~ maybe something like pausing for a panty shot? *remembers Hagino's kuma pantsu... geki moe~* or pretty much an fanservice shot for that matter. Those kind of scenes I think deserve a good pause and gawk once in a while!

Ilpalazzo-sama · 2005-12-28, 06:08

Well...i don't know if it counts, but I usually re-watch the ending episode of a series.

NoSanninWa · 2005-12-28, 06:17

There are a number of shows where I fast-forward through the OP - those are almost always exactly 90 seconds long and easy to skip through, though Zettai Shounen has a 110 second OP.

There are also several shows where I fast-forward through repetitive power-up or attack sequences. For instance, I love Pretty Cure, but surely you don't expect me to watch "Dual Aurora Wave" (68 seconds) or "Marble Screw" (23 seconds) every single time! I'd have seen both of those about 49 times by now!! And then there is the horribly boring "Receive the Power of Light-popo" which takes an endless 35 seconds and after a brief interlude is always followed by the "Pretty Cure Rainbow Storm" for another 26 seconds.

While not everyone here has seen Pretty Cure, it isn't the only show guilty of doing this. I'm sure that everyone here has seen at least one such show.

Aside these sorts of repetitive animations, I never skip through anything. Does this count as "vandalize"?

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Originally Posted by Ilpalazzo-sama

Well...i don't know if it counts, but I usually re-watch the ending episode of a series.

No, that doesn't count at all! That is the opposite of what is being talked about.

***Pellissier*** · 2005-12-28, 06:28

Uhm, for regular episodes, not at all I would say.
Usually if any anime runs on my screen, it means or 1) it is currently being judged, or 2) it has already been approved.
In case 1 , eventually I will stop watching it by next episode. In case 2, it's already safe. I don't see the point in fast-forwarding since you could easily lose important frames of the main route.

A bit different when it comes to OP/ED, if they annoys me I could also skip them, since I know I'm not losing anything of the story-plot.

Then in the case NoSanninWa mentioned (Pretty Cure), it's a compromise to skip that determinate - ever identical - sequence, and I would do the same as him as well. I think I did the same with Sakura, when she called back her cards saying "Please return to the guild where you were meant to be". After 30 or so (out of 70) episodes it bothered me, so if I had the remote near me I skipped it regularly

Kerooooo · 2005-12-28, 06:33

I think you're indeed more toward "obsessing/rewatching" than "vandalizing/skipping", Ilpalazzo-san

(as well as Cloudnine and mangatron)

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Originally Posted by Cloudnine

Hmmm~ maybe something like pausing for a panty shot? *remembers Hagino's kuma pantsu... geki moe~* or pretty much an fanservice shot for that matter. Those kind of scenes I think deserve a good pause and gawk once in a while!

I see I see

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Originally Posted by NoSanninWa

Aside these sorts of repetitive animations, I never skip through anything. Does this count as "vandalize"?

I think skipping mahou shoujo transformation scenes should belong to the exceptions, it's not really vandalizing yet. I was more thinking about skipping/FastForwarding unseen content, in the spirit of "eww I know what's coming next, let's move on".

I did it a lot on first eps of Karin, in Jigoku Shoujo and in Teizokurei Daydream (this last one must have lasted 5 mn in real time and then I trashed the whole thing)

NoSanninWa · 2005-12-28, 06:44

If that's your definition of vandalize, then so far nobody who posted here vandalizes their anime.

Now, lets hear from anyone else who actually commits this horrendous crime, so that we can throw you all into the "Hell of the Black Rope", along with Kerooooo.

~~mangatron~~ · 2005-12-28, 07:28

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Originally Posted by NoSanninWa

If that's your definition of vandalize, then so far nobody who posted here vandalizes their anime.

Now, lets hear from anyone else who actually commits this horrendous crime, so that we can throw you all into the "Hell of the Black Rope", along with Kerooooo.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLL

I treat my anime as if they are a live person! After all, I love all the anime girls LOL

Kerooooo · 2005-12-28, 07:59

*Transformation Attack*
Would you really punish someone as cute as me ?

Seriously I can't believe I'm the only one getting hasty with the FF button

MakotoFatora · 2005-12-28, 08:00

Around about episode 35 of Gundam SEED Destiny, I'd start to skip through the episode prior to watching, dropping in every 3-4 mins and see if there was even anything remotely interesting going on. I'd also skip clip scenes, flashbacks and stock footage for eps I did watch, which roughly meant I'd watch about 90 seconds of each episode anyways (cue my rimshot, Johnny!).

About 3-4 eps later I decided I wasn't missing much and stopped watching it altogether. So, I don't know if that counts as "vandalism" so much as just losing interest in a show altogether and struggling to maintain an interest...

In general the worst I do is see a funny part and then rewind it repeatedly to watch it a few times before finishing up the rest of the episode. Harima's confession in ep 10 of School Rumble comes to mind for that. I think I rewound that part about 20 times before I finally finished watching the episode. There were tons of other scenes in SR I did that to as well

(edit: whoever negative-repped this for my signature...go and learn Japanese. Please.

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Dragnfly@Gamefaqs · 2005-12-28, 08:43

I would never fastword through unseen parts of an anime because
a) I need to be able to defend my opinions of something and I can't do that if I haven't seen it.
b) I tend to like what I watch. If I don't, I'll stop watching it.
c) I might miss something. In a show like Nanoha, the odds of missing a massive plot twist by fastforwarding are about 60% per minute

However, I do sometimes freezeframe on either great fanservice (Pani Poni Dash episode eyecatch with the twins in swimsuits comes to mind) or just scenes where people are making funny faces. I also skip many repeated scenes. UFO Princess Valkyrie comes to mind there. Older Valkyrie is undeniably hot but if I see that damn transformation one more time I'm gonna get cancer of the everything.

Now, I took vandalize to mean heckling or photoshopping. At which case, yes to both of those. If anyone's ever seen FloorPie's "Sister Princess RePure In a Nutshell" or "D4 Princess Gone Horribly Wrong", then yeah, that was my friends and I. I used the name Jester back then. But those were VHS circulations so I doubt anyone outside Atlantic Canada saw them.

DaFool · 2005-12-28, 12:11

Anime is precious. I never vandalize anime because each 1/12-second frame is painstakingly drawn, even if it were by Korean or Chinese. Each animator completes an average of between 4 to 6 seconds per day. Since the animation industry is more suicide-prone compared to the rest of the entertainment industry, even if something is crap I force myself to sit through it out of respect to their efforts. Then I have to be more choosy and research what I watch before I download, and I download the first eps only--not batch download-- if I'm not sure I will follow something.

Notice also typically cartoons and animation have their plots go twice as fast as live action. A single 11-13 minute half ep is sufficient to have a full story. Another example, after 24 min of an ep of Sekai no Senki, I feel I absorbed more information than 50 min of Star Trek. It's that intense.

The downside: it seems twice as long for the same running time as live action. Every Ghibli movie to me, which is typically 2 hours or more, felt like 4+ hours.

Live action, on the other hand, I can vandalize like crazy, knowing that they just shoot and shoot and waste film and just edit it later. If they edit the scenes that they show, then I can edit the scenes that I watch.

Hydex · 2005-12-28, 16:12

Hm, yeah i vandalize my animes quite often ... I have so many shows to watch that i don't waste my time when i know for sure what will happen in the next few minutes

Cinos · 2005-12-28, 20:13

I skip the opening song unless its good :P
and i do skip some of the boring part somethimes in my anime.
and yes i do feel spoiled sometimes, but thats not my fault

jedinat · 2005-12-28, 20:45

I turn the volume off and watch Suzuka in window mode whenever Akizuki talks to Suzuka. He's too embarrassing.
I skimmed through about half of Kannazuki no Miko and watched the kissing scene in the last episode muiltiple times...
If I can't stand waiting to see what happens during a scene, I might skip ahead a few seconds, and then skip back and watch it.
If I ever get bored of an anime to the point of not wanting to watch it anymore, I skip to the end.

I'm also guilty of various other atrocities.

OutPhase · 2005-12-28, 21:05

I skip the opening and ending themes of every anime I have downloaded. I have yet to actually sit down and watch them, and this includes watching the first episode. Spare me the annoying cutsey sugary J-pop and get on with the damn show. That's what I say.

Also, I go back if there are fansubber notes that explain some jokes in a particular scene.

kj1980 · 2005-12-28, 21:08

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Originally Posted by NoSanninWa

For instance, I love Pretty Cure, but surely you don't expect me to watch "Dual Aurora Wave" (68 seconds) or "Marble Screw" (23 seconds) every single time! I'd have seen both of those about 49 times by now!! And then there is the horribly boring "Receive the Power of Light-popo" which takes an endless 35 seconds and after a brief interlude is always followed by the "Pretty Cure Rainbow Storm" for another 26 seconds.

Yes I do, especially if it is PreCure. Bank shots (anime lingo: scenes that are used over and over again are known as "bank") are your friend.

To answer the topic of this question, well yes and no...in a way.

Back when anime was sold on LD formats, I would "vandalize" it by actually seeing each frame by frame when the anime was recorded on CAV format. In a way, it is "vandalizing" the show as I would gripe "dude the genga-man who did this cut was cheapening it."

Yes, I was that low.

Thanks to the DVD format, I can't do this anymore. So, I do skip over parts to a certain scene that I want to see again.

As for anime shows that are shown on TV, NO. NEVER. Even though I do own a HD recorder that is capable of things that are known as "Tivos" in your country, I would never do that to an anime show. It is full of disrespect to the animators.

Yes, I am that low.

NoSanninWa · 2005-12-29, 00:48

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Originally Posted by kj1980

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Originally Posted by NoSanninWa

For instance, I love Pretty Cure, but surely you don't expect me to watch "Dual Aurora Wave" (68 seconds) or "Marble Screw" (23 seconds) every single time! I'd have seen both of those about 49 times by now!! And then there is the horribly boring "Receive the Power of Light-popo" which takes an endless 35 seconds and after a brief interlude is always followed by the "Pretty Cure Rainbow Storm" for another 26 seconds.

Yes I do, especially if it is PreCure. Bank shots (anime lingo: scenes that are used over and over again are known as "bank") are your friend.

Explain please. Why are bank shots my friends? And why should I especially take care to watch them, if it is PreCure? Are their bank shots special?

I know that sometimes in PreCure these shots are interrupted by dialogue, so I back up and watch it if the time differs from what I was expecting. But somehow I don't think that is what you meant.

kj1980 · 2005-12-29, 01:21

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Originally Posted by NoSanninWa

Explain please. Why are bank shots my friends? And why should I especially take care to watch them, if it is PreCure? Are their bank shots special?

I know that sometimes in PreCure these shots are interrupted by dialogue, so I back up and watch it if the time differs from what I was expecting. But somehow I don't think that is what you meant.

"Bank shots" are specific scenes that are used repeatedly over a course of a season. Typically, they are transformation sequences in magical shoujo, but it can also be battle sequences.

The interesting part of watching these bank scenes is usually to make fun of them. A transformation or a battle bank will be used when it is totally out of place - like a wrong MS being blown up etc. etc.

It's more of a niche thing of not missing a bank scene as it usually is a great way to nit-pick about an episode.

Of course, bank scenes can also be very interesting - as in Card Captor Sakura. Sakura-tan's Clow Card sequence was very intriguing as her dress changes every time, thanks to Tomoyo-tan.

2005-12-28, 05:24	Link #1
Kerooooo e-pen0r detector Join Date: Dec 2005	Do you "vandalize" shows More and more I find myself fast forwarding during anime eps, being bored with the antics, annoyed with one ep sluginess, etc... That kind of break the flow of the story sometimes but well Has the massive fansub-availability lead you to behave like a spoiled and hyperactive kid too ? Do you have any other bad habits during your anime-watching sessions ? (no nudity please )

2005-12-28, 06:28	Link #6
*Pellissier* ♪~ Daydreaming ~♪ Graphic Designer Administrator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Italy	Uhm, for regular episodes, not at all I would say. Usually if any anime runs on my screen, it means or 1) it is currently being judged, or 2) it has already been approved. In case 1 , eventually I will stop watching it by next episode. In case 2, it's already safe. I don't see the point in fast-forwarding since you could easily lose important frames of the main route. A bit different when it comes to OP/ED, if they annoys me I could also skip them, since I know I'm not losing anything of the story-plot. Then in the case NoSanninWa mentioned (Pretty Cure), it's a compromise to skip that determinate - ever identical - sequence, and I would do the same as him as well. I think I did the same with Sakura, when she called back her cards saying "Please return to the guild where you were meant to be". After 30 or so (out of 70) episodes it bothered me, so if I had the remote near me I skipped it regularly __________________

2005-12-28, 06:44	Link #8
NoSanninWa Weapon of Mass Discussion Fansubber Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New York, USA	If that's your definition of vandalize, then so far nobody who posted here vandalizes their anime. Now, lets hear from anyone else who actually commits this horrendous crime, so that we can throw you all into the "Hell of the Black Rope", along with Kerooooo. __________________ There's not that fine a line between willing suspension of disbelief and something just being stupid.

2005-12-28, 08:00	Link #11
MakotoFatora Yes Join Date: May 2004 Location: Worcester, MA Age: 48	Around about episode 35 of Gundam SEED Destiny, I'd start to skip through the episode prior to watching, dropping in every 3-4 mins and see if there was even anything remotely interesting going on. I'd also skip clip scenes, flashbacks and stock footage for eps I did watch, which roughly meant I'd watch about 90 seconds of each episode anyways (cue my rimshot, Johnny!). About 3-4 eps later I decided I wasn't missing much and stopped watching it altogether. So, I don't know if that counts as "vandalism" so much as just losing interest in a show altogether and struggling to maintain an interest... In general the worst I do is see a funny part and then rewind it repeatedly to watch it a few times before finishing up the rest of the episode. Harima's confession in ep 10 of School Rumble comes to mind for that. I think I rewound that part about 20 times before I finally finished watching the episode. There were tons of other scenes in SR I did that to as well (edit: whoever negative-repped this for my signature...go and learn Japanese. Please. ) __________________ Makoto-/Fatora- AnimeLemming Radio - Only the best in cheap, knockoff radio stations Last edited by MakotoFatora; 2005-12-31 at 10:35.

2005-12-28, 05:39	Link #2
~~mangatron~~ worshipping the pantyhose Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Manila, Philippines	It is really hard to fast forward on the air anime you know ...unless you have a Tivo type of thing. But, say about DVD's, yeah, I fast forward to the scenes that I want to watch again and again. At to the point where I would encode that particular scene for plaback on my Pocket PC

2005-12-28, 05:46	Link #3
Cloudnine ロリ is life~ Join Date: Dec 2005	I think "vandalize" might be a wrong term to use in this case ^^;; Somehow, it feels like I'm doing something naughty... stops watching Ichigo Mashimaro... I would be lying if I said I didn't have any bad habits, but it's kind of difficult to think up of some. Hmmm~ maybe something like pausing for a panty shot? remembers Hagino's kuma pantsu... geki moe~ or pretty much an fanservice shot for that matter. Those kind of scenes I think deserve a good pause and gawk once in a while!

2005-12-28, 06:08	Link #4
Ilpalazzo-sama Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Well...i don't know if it counts, but I usually re-watch the ending episode of a series.

2005-12-28, 07:59	Link #10
Kerooooo e-pen0r detector Join Date: Dec 2005	Transformation Attack Would you really punish someone as cute as me ? Seriously I can't believe I'm the only one getting hasty with the FF button

2005-12-28, 08:43	Link #12
Dragnfly@Gamefaqs Vampie Walrus. Big fangs Join Date: Oct 2004	I would never fastword through unseen parts of an anime because a) I need to be able to defend my opinions of something and I can't do that if I haven't seen it. b) I tend to like what I watch. If I don't, I'll stop watching it. c) I might miss something. In a show like Nanoha, the odds of missing a massive plot twist by fastforwarding are about 60% per minute However, I do sometimes freezeframe on either great fanservice (Pani Poni Dash episode eyecatch with the twins in swimsuits comes to mind) or just scenes where people are making funny faces. I also skip many repeated scenes. UFO Princess Valkyrie comes to mind there. Older Valkyrie is undeniably hot but if I see that damn transformation one more time I'm gonna get cancer of the everything. Now, I took vandalize to mean heckling or photoshopping. At which case, yes to both of those. If anyone's ever seen FloorPie's "Sister Princess RePure In a Nutshell" or "D4 Princess Gone Horribly Wrong", then yeah, that was my friends and I. I used the name Jester back then. But those were VHS circulations so I doubt anyone outside Atlantic Canada saw them.

2005-12-28, 12:11	Link #13
DaFool Resident devil Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Philippines	Anime is precious. I never vandalize anime because each 1/12-second frame is painstakingly drawn, even if it were by Korean or Chinese. Each animator completes an average of between 4 to 6 seconds per day. Since the animation industry is more suicide-prone compared to the rest of the entertainment industry, even if something is crap I force myself to sit through it out of respect to their efforts. Then I have to be more choosy and research what I watch before I download, and I download the first eps only--not batch download-- if I'm not sure I will follow something. Notice also typically cartoons and animation have their plots go twice as fast as live action. A single 11-13 minute half ep is sufficient to have a full story. Another example, after 24 min of an ep of Sekai no Senki, I feel I absorbed more information than 50 min of Star Trek. It's that intense. The downside: it seems twice as long for the same running time as live action. Every Ghibli movie to me, which is typically 2 hours or more, felt like 4+ hours. Live action, on the other hand, I can vandalize like crazy, knowing that they just shoot and shoot and waste film and just edit it later. If they edit the scenes that they show, then I can edit the scenes that I watch.

2005-12-28, 16:12	Link #14
Hydex Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Hm, yeah i vandalize my animes quite often ... I have so many shows to watch that i don't waste my time when i know for sure what will happen in the next few minutes

2005-12-28, 20:13	Link #15
Cinos Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	I skip the opening song unless its good :P and i do skip some of the boring part somethimes in my anime. and yes i do feel spoiled sometimes, but thats not my fault

2005-12-28, 20:45	Link #16
jedinat Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Age: 38	I turn the volume off and watch Suzuka in window mode whenever Akizuki talks to Suzuka. He's too embarrassing. I skimmed through about half of Kannazuki no Miko and watched the kissing scene in the last episode muiltiple times... If I can't stand waiting to see what happens during a scene, I might skip ahead a few seconds, and then skip back and watch it. If I ever get bored of an anime to the point of not wanting to watch it anymore, I skip to the end. I'm also guilty of various other atrocities.

2005-12-28, 21:05	Link #17
OutPhase Lord Chairman God King Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Do you really give a damn?	I skip the opening and ending themes of every anime I have downloaded. I have yet to actually sit down and watch them, and this includes watching the first episode. Spare me the annoying cutsey sugary J-pop and get on with the damn show. That's what I say. Also, I go back if there are fansubber notes that explain some jokes in a particular scene.