2013-03-11, 00:57 | Link #6021 | |
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With all that's been said, the reason why I'm still resistant to your "use cases" for this FAITH insignia is, as I said before, that the use of insignia is not a standard. So whatever emergency situations you could think of, ZAFT would've already thought of (in-story) and still decided that insignias are not necessary.
To try to make exceptions now for a FAITH insignia seems pointless to me as whatever situations you could think of in terms of needing to identify a mobile suit could apply in a broader sense to the larger force. And since there are much fewer FAITH members, statistically, those emergency situations would happen more amongst those who are not of FAITH. Quote:
I mean, I know this is the franchise that's used the cliché of situation being so bad that they had no choice to use a teenager/kid to pilot their best weapon. But, seriously? Now we're going to use that (bad situation excuse) to justify the use of a specific insignia too? Even though it's obviously not needed (by the fact that insignias are not standard)? |
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2013-03-11, 02:17 | Link #6022 | |
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In short: distinctive feature (against non FAITH MSs) = purpose = not useless.
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2013-03-11, 02:54 | Link #6023 | |
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FAITH pilots wanting to place a FAITH insignia on their mobile suits of their own accord is of little concern to me. I'm still not necessarily thrilled about it, but that at least can be said to be part of their character/personality. |
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2013-03-11, 03:40 | Link #6024 | |
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2013-03-11, 03:56 | Link #6025 |
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Ok, perhaps I just have a serious inability to understand things...
But your basic argument from what I can understand concerning the use of the Faith insignia is "just because". And considering the Destiny is the only unit we've seen with it(which is rather distinctive imo) in a promo piece no less. The discussion is rather moot imo. I mean assuming it was mandatory, why didn't Athrun's Savior(again rather distinctive) or even Heine's GOUF have it? Unless there's going to be a retcon where all FAITH units have it. |
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It may be not under ZAFT’s mandatory regulation, but the fact that several ZAFT pilots (IIRC Andrew, Shiho, Miguell, etc) using insignia means it has purpose for some ZAFT people at least. One thing is certain, the pilots themselves adding those insignia for a purpose. The same can be said abou FAITH insignia. If the pilot add it, it's for a purpose to make his Suit distinguishable from a certain group of others.
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2013-03-11, 04:35 | Link #6028 |
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The reason people like Andrew, Shiho, and Miguel put markings on their units is because they're just that bad@ss. It's basically to say I'm going to kick your arse 20 ways to sunday and there ain't a darn thing you can do about it.
Sorry, but that's that be all end all of it really. Kinda like how in WW2 ace pilots put markings on their planes to indicate how many kills they had. That's about the only purpose those markings have. |
2013-03-11, 04:39 | Link #6029 | |
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If insignia served anything remotely importantly as that, it would be a standard. But it's not, so all those examples of personalized insignia is nothing more than vanity license plates. And like I said, I have little concern over an individual FAITH pilot putting a FAITH insignia on his mobile suit like a vanity license plate. |
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2013-03-11, 04:57 | Link #6030 | |
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Example (in a hangar full of Goufs, during sudden bombing attack, system fails): Mechanic A: Hey you! Repair C’s Gouf! Mechanic B: I just got here from another division! Which one?! Mechanic A: The one with FAITH Insignia on its left shoulder and a broken leg! You can’t miss it. Mechanic B: Ok, got it! I'm on my way! *B arrives* FAITH member C: Thanx for coming! Mechanic B: No problem. See? Maybe not much, but still not useless, right?
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2013-03-11, 05:40 | Link #6032 |
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Then we’re good, since you say nothing is wrong with distinctive feature (in this case, FAITH sign) being able to help people during some certain situations (which is my original point). Then why did you disagree with me in the first place?
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2013-03-11, 05:56 | Link #6034 | |
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So, like I said many times before, I count all possibilities. So what’s wrong with talking about things that could happen? FAITH sign has its purpose (mainly from the pilot’s POV): to ba a distinctive feature. That alone made it not useless. Plus, other things that can benefit people like my example above.
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2013-03-11, 06:09 | Link #6035 | |
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Remember that you're the one who disagreed with me when I replied to Skye629's post about the importance of numbers/insignia. So if we can agree that FAITH insignia is not needed, then I don't know why you disagreed with me in the first place, but it's fine. We are good. |
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What I disagree from you is this reply post of yours: Quote:
In short, is FAITH insignia unneeded by ZAFT? Yes. But is it applicable (as a distinctive feature)? Also yes.
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2013-03-11, 14:15 | Link #6038 | |
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As for how I know it’s mandatory. I remember reading it from a certain Gundam site years ago (not Wikia). It’s not mentioned in the anime itself that’s for sure. I do hope I remember it and can bring it here. But what I remember is that there are some kind of regulation in using squadron signs. Many, but not all ZAFT squadrons use it. In the case of Yzak’s team, it is mandatory except for the captain himself IIRC. For Yzak’s MS, it’s optional. That said, at this point, it's okay for you to doubt me on this matter since I still can't provide the source yet.
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2013-03-11, 14:35 | Link #6039 | |
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By the way, which manga is that? Is it one of the Astrays? I hope it's not the manga adaptation of the series. |
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