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2010-03-24, 00:24 | Link #6842 | ||
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2010-03-24, 00:27 | Link #6843 | ||
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If the running away of Battler caused Kinzo to be as mad as wanting to kill his children, shouldn't the coming back of Battler sort of thwart it or make Kinzo rethink about it? Quote:
I was saying that the answer to a mystery may not be unique, just that an author's authority makes one of these answers the canon one, putting other viable answers as untrue. Currently, the popular answer would be different versions of "multiple groups of people scheming things, accidents happened and different murders ensued" (e.g. George as mastermind, Kinzo as mastermind, Shannon as mastermind, Kyrie as mastermind). Some of the theories could solve the game satisfactorily (at least to some people), utilizing enough hints and realistic, Ryu07's Answer may be one of them or not. Before the catbox is open, they have the same level of trueness, only because as the "God", Ryu07 makes the Answer Answer.
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2010-03-24, 00:30 | Link #6844 | |
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Oh, and about why Kinzo would give up so easily: Battler rejected the family name and lived with Asumu's parents. For Kinzo to believe that someone who hated the Ushiromiya name could actually become the sole heir is a bit ridiculous without him going insane over it. |
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2010-03-24, 00:35 | Link #6845 | |
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To be frank, I'm not even going to believe that you have a comprehensive theory until you offer something resembling proof, so... |
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2010-03-24, 00:36 | Link #6846 | |
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Here is an example. Ryukishi said that anyone who knew the truth can figure out the line up of all epitaph murders after Hideyoshi's death in episode 5. Consider this: Erika believes that Natsuhi is the culprit. Since she believes this she would not keep her eye off of Natsuhi for a second on Oct 5th. Her theory didn't resolve the murders at all because according to Ryukishi said in an interview if we know the truth we can figure out how the happened after the game was cut off after Hideyoshi's death. And neither you nor I have yet to solve this!
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2010-03-24, 00:40 | Link #6847 | |
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Like how come the sixes become truly dead without bodies being moved? Is Hideyoshi really killed and when? Would there be final disaster like in EP4's end? What happened during the time gap (from the game was cut and the trial)? People knowing what killed Battler in EP4, the culprit(s) and their motives would have no trouble answering these questions.
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2010-03-24, 00:44 | Link #6848 | ||
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Those are all the hints I'm going to give for now. Feel free to believe me or not believe me.
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2010-03-24, 00:44 | Link #6849 | ||
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2010-03-24, 00:45 | Link #6850 | ||
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2010-03-24, 00:45 | Link #6851 | ||
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What hints? Your not giving hints! You just being ambiguous. All the hints I need are in the game you have no authority to give any hints whatsoever. Your the same as us. We can only share what we can find on our own from reading the same story.
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2010-03-24, 01:10 | Link #6853 |
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Chrono: I'm going to have to agree with the majority, even "if" and that's a big freaking if even by your own words you solved it, your attitude isn't really helpful and kind of infuriating. From my POV it seems like your looking your nose down on the rest of us, you can claim whatever you want but a lot of people here are asking for one thing proof or at least some explanation for your theory. You tell us to believe it or not but your not even saying anything about it. Your mostly being ambiguous and we have enough of that from Umineko.
Guys: I understand how it feels but Klash may have to intervene if this keeps up so let's calm down and keep thinking I'm sure it'll dawn on us eventually what the hell is going on lol. I said this before but I thought that in Ep 5 Natsuhi would be murdered next after Hideyoshi and then somehow the group would be split into two and the group Battler isn't in will be slaughtered.
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2010-03-24, 01:25 | Link #6854 |
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I'm not looking down on anyone. As the English translator for this series, I've been forced to spend more time thinking about it than anyone else, which probably gives me an unfair advantage.
Forgive me for being a bit happy at being one of the first to solve this much of the game. I've logged a lot of hours into it, and I apologize if I've ticked a few people off. If you think I'm wrong, then feel free to to ignore me. If you think I'm right, maybe you'll have an easier time reaching the answer. This way, no one gets hurt, unlike what would happen if my theories turned into spoilers.
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2010-03-24, 01:35 | Link #6855 |
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Your avoiding the question can you explain it to us then? After all it's merely a theory so it can't hurt to elaborate on it. You said so yourself. The main issue isn't your attitude here but your ambiguity about your so called "hints" Your claiming some really big things without actually elaborating on it.
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2010-03-24, 01:44 | Link #6856 |
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I'd rather ignore him like he suggested. He said himself that it's impossible to find any absolute truth in Umineko right? So hows he suddenly supposed to be able to claim with absolute certainty that episode 7 is going to confirm his claims? He says "possibly" now, but just awhile ago he was talking as if he knew these spoilers were going to be revealed. The box is sealed so he has know way of even knowing if this is true. It might be possible that neither Shkanon nor Erika not existing are true theories and we've just both been playing a 2 party game. Or that one is true, but not in the way we thought. Either way it's a sealed box we're not eating the cookie until it opens.
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2010-03-24, 01:44 | Link #6857 |
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I suppose since chronotrig has been translating Ep6, he (or she?) got in touch of some crucial information from EP6 which could spoil the content of EP7 and EP8, while those information was not known to someone like me who does not know Japanese well.
Maybe he does not want to let us know his theory until the patch was done. BTW, chronotrig, have you changed some of your theses (like Whodunit? Whydunit?) in your theory while you were reading EP6?
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2010-03-24, 01:48 | Link #6858 |
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I think it's Shannon personally. I used the process of elimination in Ep 1's murder of Natushi, and I assumed the true culprit was the one who pulled that trigger. Meh I'm not really confident in my method but I really believe it's Shannon. lol
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2010-03-24, 01:52 | Link #6859 | |
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As far as I'm concerned the reader and the translator have completely different perspectives. And it may actually turn out to be a disadvantage to be a translator because you may have to focus on some of the wrong things when your doing that act of translating. For example ignoring Knox when Beatrice said in episode 2 she prefers a mystery that follows those rules. Kind of forgot about that hint.
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2010-03-24, 01:54 | Link #6860 | |
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I've been working off of the assumption that whoever pulled off the first twilights is a mastermind, and everything else is potentially noise. Of course, that's a lot harder since there's too many suspects... |
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