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Old 2019-05-27, 13:57   Link #19221
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Just wait until it's revealed she's been doing all this for Erina's sake and not her own after everything is over. It happened with Azami, it will happen with her.
It kinda makes sense for Azami. He didn't leave, he was chased away. And his plan was basically to force the whole cooking world to cook for the God Tongue. Of course, it had some glaring flaws (in particular, the way it stifled creativity), but it's understandable for his combination of despair ("it has to work"), pride ("I'll make it work") and bitterness ("I'll show them all") to make him overlook those flaws.
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Old 2019-05-27, 14:11   Link #19222
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That's a pretty good way to look at it. I agree. And they did say in a recent chapter that what Azami did was to try to save Mana and Erina by making sure that only true gourmet existed in the cooking world. Sure there were flaws in the way he did it, but the idea wasn't completely wrong. It's just that aside from the other flaws, another thing wrong with it is that it'd make a lot of restaurants go out of business and that the masses wouldn't be able to afford the food at the remaining restaurants.
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Old 2019-05-27, 18:33   Link #19223
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It kinda makes sense for Azami. He didn't leave, he was chased away. And his plan was basically to force the whole cooking world to cook for the God Tongue. Of course, it had some glaring flaws (in particular, the way it stifled creativity), but it's understandable for his combination of despair ("it has to work"), pride ("I'll make it work") and bitterness ("I'll show them all") to make him overlook those flaws.
You forgot the most glaring flaw of all, brainwashing his daughter. Which is the very reason he was chased away in the first place.
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Old 2019-05-27, 23:15   Link #19224
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Soma vs Erina should be interesting
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Old 2019-05-28, 08:17   Link #19225
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@Kanon: I don't think he forgot it. He only mentioned one flaw in particular, but that doesn't necessarily mean he forgot the rest (does it?). But yes, that was definitely very wrong of Azami to do.

@kk2extreme: Same here, but first I want to see what Mana has to say after that "Do not misunderstand, Yukihira Soma" line.
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Old 2019-05-28, 09:45   Link #19226
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^There's no rule that a Shonen can't have a proper developed romance.
neither expect it to get proper romance that you complained lately b'cuz author doesn't state it clearly into you and i never said it has rule..so don't said anything that i didn't mean to.
i'm not even surprised if you complain it doesn't get enough development for twice besides your " when will this manga get axed"

maybe you should read masamune kun no revenge, it has better development than sns

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Yeah. There are Shounen LNs that have them. And some Shounen manga as well, like History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi. So there's no rule that says that a Shounen series can't have well-developed romance. There are even Seinen series that have them. So it's not limited to Shoujo or romcoms. Get that misconception out of your head.
holy cow, you only know what shounen is ,right? but not how many publisher that issued it,

also, please pay attention, what i'm talking here is limited to weekly shonen jump from suiesha publisher which sns is in right now, not the other one you mentionend above. don't move from goal post, i never said it has rule anyway, i give those conclusion based on how many mainstream shonen from "jump" manga that got treatment that way.

shoujo and romcom are famously about romantic plot for ages while seinen may diverse. don't mention seinen cuz we're talking shonen where its target are kids/teen

firstly, you should learn to differentiate between shueisha and shogakukan before you said to me to get out those misconception that you talked. you even mentioned only few title's , you makes me feel like talking to the wall
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Old 2019-05-28, 11:04   Link #19227
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neither expect it to get proper romance that you complained lately b'cuz author doesn't state it clearly into you and i never said it has rule..so don't said anything that i didn't mean to.
i'm not even surprised if you complain it doesn't get enough development for twice besides your " when will this manga get axed"

maybe you should read masamune kun no revenge, it has better development than sns
I already read Masamune and that ending sucked.
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Old 2019-05-28, 12:31   Link #19228
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If Souma wins BLUE, I wonder if Yukihira diner will get 3 stars
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Old 2019-05-28, 13:17   Link #19229
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I think it should be noted that unlike other Shonen Jump manga (Bleach, Naruto, etc.), Shokugeki's author implied from the beginning that romance would be important in this manga. I mean the first chapter has Joichiro's romance secret segue into Erina's first appearance. It's not like people expected it for no reason.

There is no excuse for the romance being so shitty other than the author just sucks at it. It's just that simple. It wasn't developed throughout the manga and that's why this all feels so forced. He shouldn't have bothered with it because it's pretty much to blame for everything wrong with the story.
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Old 2019-05-28, 15:19   Link #19230
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You forgot the most glaring flaw of all, brainwashing his daughter. Which is the very reason he was chased away in the first place.
I'm not sure about that one. I mean, yes, that is a flaw in the sense that the whole point of "defeating" the God Tongue was to make his wife and daughter happy. But if you just look at the goal of producing chefs able to make dishes that will satisfy the God Tongue, then refining Erina's knowledge of gourmet cuisine is doubly important. It will let her express her ideas clearly so she can guide other cooks. And it will let her "fight" on the frontline herself.
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Old 2019-05-28, 17:41   Link #19231
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I'd still say brainwashing her was bad. If he just wanted to teach her about what you mentioned, he didn't necessarily need to brainwash her and control her like that. He treated her badly.

@LeftSeven: What GendoAizenPig said. And I know you're talking mainly about manga serialized in Shonen Jump, but I bet you're still wrong about there not being any manga in it that has a well-developed romance. Even if they're rare, as long as they exist you're wrong.

@AP24: Yeah, I wonder if that'll actually happen.
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Old 2019-05-29, 00:17   Link #19232
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WGO stars are based on Michelin stars, is there even a diner in real life that has 3 stars?
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Old 2019-05-29, 09:04   Link #19233
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I already read Masamune and that ending sucked.
wow, someone had lost, huh?

i never mentioned the ending though

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I think it should be noted that unlike other Shonen Jump manga (Bleach, Naruto, etc.), Shokugeki's author implied from the beginning that romance would be important in this manga. I mean the first chapter has Joichiro's romance secret segue into Erina's first appearance. It's not like people expected it for no reason.

There is no excuse for the romance being so shitty other than the author just sucks at it. It's just that simple. It wasn't developed throughout the manga and that's why this all feels so forced. He shouldn't have bothered with it because it's pretty much to blame for everything wrong with the story.
so what love development it should be based on yours?
forced? asahi's existent is the one you should have called that cuz everyone is agree that he shouldn't exist in first place.

author just sucks at it?so does every jump author or they're forced by publisher to be suck at it eventhough they have any idea already to be planned well , who knows.
or is it just your opinion, while i'm not?

yeah, there's so much things that author had missed. i admit it, i wanted to punch author's face b'cause of it. but after i chilled a bit then reread the manga as i only picked on soma and erina's part , it's not that bad.

their screen time maybe less than your expected to be considered as love development, but blaming author because he doesn't deliver love story like how you perceived as love story it should be is.....well,you with dragonosman and naj p.jackson should make a group for once.


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@LeftSeven: What GendoAizenPig said. And I know you're talking mainly about manga serialized in Shonen Jump, but I bet you're still wrong about there not being any manga in it that has a well-developed romance. Even if they're rare, as long as they exist you're wrong.
huh???
no , you don't know, cuz you kept bringing stuff that was irrelevant , like seinen? really? while we're mainly talking about shounen.

have i mentioned [bold text] that one? when?

see i admit that there are any of them , but only few of them,
but most of them are in romcom or shoujo, say "good development"

did you just make stuff that i never stated, didn't you?

i'm not wrong in the first place cuz i never deny that. so?

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WGO stars are based on Michelin stars, is there even a diner in real life that has 3 stars?
i don't about the star, but there's dinner that got michelin star.
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Old 2019-05-29, 09:10   Link #19234
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wow, someone had lost, huh?

i never mentioned the ending though
My point was you pointed Masamune kun no Revenge as an example for a manga to read for a developed romance which isn't the case.
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Old 2019-05-29, 09:16   Link #19235
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^ yeah, there are much example of those so called good developed romance, i mentioned masamune cuz i'm still remembering how shitfest it was on its thread, it makes me laugh till now. sorry.
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Old 2019-05-29, 09:23   Link #19236
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As far as shonen romance goes, History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi is pretty solid imo. The romance is there throughout the whole manga and probably would be more complete had it not been for the rushed ending. The author's current work, Kimi wa 008, features an even more prominent romance.

Soma's romance sucks because he does not show any emotions or investment whatsoever. As I see it, the romance "existed" only because of the premise that a chef must find someone who he can cook wholeheartedly for.
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Old 2019-05-29, 09:50   Link #19237
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yeah, i read kenichi too, too bad about the ending, i mean it's not bad, just rushed like you said.

it's not that he doesn't has it, more like he's aware of what love is, to his food, his customer, but to the opposite sex is quite different even when he said" i will make you admit that my food is delicous" or " nakiri is mine" is considered as love confession, but soma delivered it not in romantic style, but like challenging someone. that's enough to imply he has it, also recent chapter when he's talking about his mom is the proof he has one.

like i have stated on previous page, i'm glad that soma knew his dad secret word through asahi while even before that i assumed soma thought it's asahi's word.

then i think at this point, i wondered if author will used that chance to develop more soma's feeling on the next phase, while first one was when him and erina on balcony.
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Old 2019-05-29, 10:35   Link #19238
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Give me Souma x Hisako romance instead.
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Old 2019-05-29, 11:40   Link #19239
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Well, I do hope that we can get closure for Soma's romance. But at least we should have a decent development, that is, if the manga won't be axed due to recent arcs.
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Old 2019-05-29, 11:59   Link #19240
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Vol 35 cover is directly connected as expected
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