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Old 2020-09-05, 12:21   Link #261
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Freaking cliffhanger.

Anyway, earlier on in this thread somebody said that this might turn out to be a harem series, then somebody else said that there are only 2 main girls, and now it turns out Ray took Misa so Anos really only has 2 main girls, 8 fangirls and a potential 11th (human) girl. Isn't that still technically a harem?

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Menou is a pretty nice person and a good teacher.
Hope the entire bunch gets Menou as their 3rd year teacher too since their former (and now awol) teacher just tried to rig a contest and even attacked a student's mother, not to mention trying to kill her other students

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They did mention that there are 4 Kanon reincarnations, and we only see the 3 fighting this episode. That makes it seem like Eleonora is the 4th by default. However, I'm wondering if Eleonora is the Holy Sword, instead of just wielding it? Like it requires her spirit to be summoned.
Didn't they say in the previous episode that you only get the Kanon name if you're a confirmed reincarnation of one of the 7 sources? Then the teacher is also a Kanon so that makes it the 4th.

Of course we know the real reincarnation is Eleonora and everyone else is fake, or a dud as Anos would say.

Edited to correct wrong info after I watched ep9 again
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Old 2020-09-05, 12:32   Link #262
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I still don't understand why people continue to underestimate Anos, even after he over and over again display power that is overwhelming without any effort. The three stooges can't even fathom that they are going to get a major spanking. Even their sensei knows how dangerous Anos is immediately. Also, Revest continually disbelieve that Anos is the demon king, but how else is he going to explain Anos' crazy demon powers?


There is only so much suspension of belief one can take before things become ridiculous. On the bright side, at least Ms. Menou doesn't seem to outright deny Anos.
Supremacist beliefs are often far from logical. This's like a Jew entering a WWII-era Nazi academy and beating pure "Aryan" students. And then he goes and beats the absolute best athletes, soldiers, artists, etc.: people that in their opinion had reached the true peak of their fields. And he beats them as easily as if they were toddlers. And he does so by throwing lightning, flying, reading minds, and doing all sorts of things that simply are not physically possible. Even if they didn't think he was of an "inferior race" they'd still find the rest to be impossible and suspect some kind of cheating. That's what these demons are experiencing: a person of inferior blood who's beating the best of the best, people you shouldn't be able to beat without luck or cheating, with ease while appearing to do the impossible. Honestly it'd be shocking to me if they didn't all think he was a dirty cheater.

And no, I wouldn't say this still qualifies as a true harem. A harem generally requires the guy have more than two girls actively going after him. Two girls makes it a triangle. Extra girls that aren't in love with him or don't actively pursue that love makes a pseudo-harem. For now, I can't say I'd classify it in the harem genre. And that's not so surprising, a fair number of these types of series fail to fall in the harem genre, or just barely clear the minimum numbers of real love interests.
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Old 2020-09-05, 14:28   Link #263
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I'd hope the next interspecies interaction would be at the demon king academy, so the demons would be able to make similar preparations and tricks.
Maybe I just take this stuff a little more seriously than most, I'm taken quite aback at how this turned out.

Frankly the sane thing to do is to make that the last interspecies interaction for a very long time. Of course it was expected that things would get adversarial considering it was Hero vs Demon School, but if you are allowing these kind of interschool events it's expected that both sides keep things civil, and things seem to have gone from just one-upsmanship with despicable tactics to making a lethal ambush - it's blatantly clear that Hero Teacher was doing everything he can to get some "accidental" deaths and if it wasn't for Anos a good number of the demons would likely have died.

It'll be greatly irresponsible for the Demon School to authorize another such event after this disaster, and the Hero School would rightly fear a similar ambush in return.

It is a pretty interesting inversion of the Hero versus Demon concept. And if you say it is because real human heroes are weak, it is an interesting Deconstruction towards what realistic heroes would be like, and how realistic hero might actually play out to the audience if the demons were not appropriately dehumanized first.

Finally, based on the depiction, the Hero class is objectively the stronger one. Even if you didn't know they had 4 Karon incarnations this year, somehow the cheoreography implies that the poor regular mook Demon class probably never had a chance even without cheating.
If this indeed reflects the original's intention, I give the anime some points for being able to show this so well even as they depict the Hero class cheating.
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Old 2020-09-05, 15:30   Link #264
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For being such racist schemers when dealing with hybrids, the demons are really naive when it comes to humans.

And yes, if they aren't even going to pretend civility, why have this joint exercise at all?
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Old 2020-09-05, 15:44   Link #265
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My idea was basically to get back at them and maybe teach them to play fair. You said have our meet at your place and then you fill it with cheats so you can mock me? OK, next meet is at my place and I'll trounce you even harder.
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Old 2020-09-05, 18:10   Link #266
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The heroes didn't back off after anos throw a meteorite to the lake, I'll give them that. But even if they put eleanor as some sort of secret weapon it's just useless but of course they don't know that, anyway I'm looking foward to anos new humiliation method, those three deserved it.

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Old 2020-09-05, 18:50   Link #267
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I'm loving the fact Ray and Misa are getting their own little romance. In this kind of show, the male sidekick usually only exists to make the MC look better.

Ivis mentioned he found no record of Kanon being killed by a human, so that makes it more likely that Eleanor is another reincarnation of his and has at least some of his memories.

The one thing the Kanon reincarnations have in common is that they're total dicks. The Hero Academy is as rotten as the Demon Academy, if not more. I can't wait to see Anos teach them a lesson they'll never forget.
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Old 2020-09-05, 19:32   Link #268
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I'm loving the fact Ray and Misa are getting their own little romance. In this kind of show, the male sidekick usually only exists to make the MC look better.
this is something which i also do hate in many harems or others series where the mc have a sidekick and don't matter how much "handsome, niceguy" the sidekick is, in the end he is the true "beta" male, because no woman want him and neither he true want any girl, he is the "forever alone", he can be a clone of the mc but he never gonna have the "chicken magnet powers which the mc have, this angry me a lot.

Going back after previous episode and this one i'm starting to having a feelings about a theory:

lay is the true hero reincarnation and misa and eleonor are the reincarnation of the 2 girls which were with the hero when avos take his own life and made the ritual, just look back at the opening and the image which show avos and his 2 main girls at back then we have and the 2 girls at front, it would match the fact which eleonor was angry over him being betryaed by the humans, she saw it or somehow was forced to murder him by someone else then keep part of this memory in her "reincarnation" and misa si the reincarnation of the other girl.



then maybe eleonor and misa are the reincarnation of the hero companions and ley is the reincarnation of the hero, remember how much anos wanted to be his "friend" and how much ley at they first meet wanted be "his friend".
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Old 2020-09-05, 19:51   Link #269
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Wait, I'm kinda confused. When Ledriano showed everyone how to repair-reinforce a sword then used it to smash a rock statue, is that supposed to be something notable or impressive that worth doing by top student? After all, you can hear the audience uttering "whoa!" after they saw it. Just how low is the standard magic in this place if fixing a sword and smashing a rock with it is enough to impress the equivalent of highschool/college students in this magic-oriented world?
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Old 2020-09-05, 20:50   Link #270
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The 3 "Heroes" remind me a lot about the 3 other "Heroes" in Shield Hero series. I wonder if there was some cross influence with that?
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Old 2020-09-05, 22:02   Link #271
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MC’s male best friend getting his own girl is something present in another non-action harem series too known as Kawaikereba Hentai demo Suki ni Natte Kuremasuka. The white-haired girl if my memory serves me right. In the LN they became a couple already.
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Old 2020-09-05, 22:06   Link #272
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You'd think they would at least put up the appearance of trying to treat this as friendly joint school appearance. Really makes you wonder the schools even agreed to have this event. I guess they both saw it as a chance to show up the other school.
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Old 2020-09-05, 22:15   Link #273
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Now that I think of it, the heroes' teacher reminds me a bit of Emilia-sensei. The same sort of abject arrogance and willingness to do whatever is necessary to keep inferiors in their place. Something tells me if she'd remained their teacher she would have set up all kinds of dirty tricks as well.
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Old 2020-09-05, 22:54   Link #274
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MCs male best friend getting his own girl is something present in another non-action harem series too known as Kawaikereba Hentai demo Suki ni Natte Kuremasuka. The white-haired girl if my memory serves me right. In the LN they became a couple already.
The Wise Man's Grandchild series also had the best friend character with their own fiance.
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Old 2020-09-05, 23:11   Link #275
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For being such racist schemers when dealing with hybrids, the demons are really naive when it comes to humans.
I think that in comparison to our human "heroes", the demons practise a sort of "limited" racism. The average pureblood believes in his superiority and that mixed blood must be kept in their place, but they also recognize that if they are going to have a society with mixed blood and even a "co-ed" school with them, those with mixed blood must at least have a place.

That might be one reason why Emilia went out so quietly, though the authorities probably figured out who did it pretty quickly - in escalating from little plots to actually trying to kill a bunch of students, Emilia has crossed the line even if they are mixed blood students.

And that's probably why they are so unprepared - they probably expected some BS, but since this is a school event and all that they expected a minimal level of civility. They did not get it. Bad meets bigger bad, you might say

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My idea was basically to get back at them and maybe teach them to play fair. You said have our meet at your place and then you fill it with cheats so you can mock me? OK, next meet is at my place and I'll trounce you even harder.
That went way beyond "mocking" or "showing up". That little sacred barrier trick in the "recreation"? OK...it's harmless except to pride.

Pouring sacred water into the combat lake? Fine, indeed as Anh Minh implied this level is probably nothing the Purebloods won't have played on the Mixedbloods back home.

Allowing weird lethal attacks and clearly deciding to procrastinate on rescuing them after they have won? That clearly crosses a line.

Unless we are to make the forthcoming events about lethal ambushes, which will likely escalate to a war, they can't continue.
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Old 2020-09-06, 03:10   Link #276
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Looks like Menou really is that nice, if a bit naive, but then things did escalate fast from "just" humiliation to her students almost dying. At least these Royalists are competent but were outplayed by the Heroes. Overall it sounds like the human realm has already been preparing for war for quite some time.

So that's what Ivis has been up to, he seems trustworthy now whereas the other one, Melheis, still has some oddities. And cute to see Ray and Misa have their own romance, glad this series avoided the large harem trope so far (not counting Anos' fanclub who he definitely has no interest in but he does appreciate their loyalty, and there are only two sisters).

Whatever the Heroes' secret weapon is, it had better be really really powerful after they just saw Anos wipe out the lake. Or it could just be that they really are that stupidly overconfident (probably the latter). Should be a fun battle next time, just to see Anos wipe the floor with them.
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Old 2020-09-06, 08:25   Link #277
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Where's Eleonora? Seemingly lying in wait in the temple as the Heroes' secret weapon, with dull lifeless eyes likely ready to receive orders to fight Anos .

So...maybe Eleonora is a Kanon reincarnation, or his true reincarnation, and can wield the Holy Sword the legend says will slay Anos ?
Its because her eyes are lifeless, that i get the feeling she isn't the reincarnation of Hero Kanon, but rather she is probably the reincarnation of the Spirit God Human Sword "Evansmana" (won't be the first time we see a Sword in Human form, so its possible).
The reason i mainly say that is because firstly the Legend that Anos was discussing about earlier relating to the Sword, and secondly while there is no record, for some reason Eleonora commented that Hero Kanon was killed by a Human, which is odd considering that if there is no record or information around, how does a student like her know about it unless she was present at the time of the Hero Kanon's death.

But its also possible that she might be the reincarnation of someone else close to the Hero Kanon, but probably not him.
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Old 2020-09-06, 12:19   Link #278
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Its because her eyes are lifeless, that i get the feeling she isn't the reincarnation of Hero Kanon, but rather she is probably the reincarnation of the Spirit God Human Sword "Evansmana" (won't be the first time we see a Sword in Human form, so its possible).
The reason i mainly say that is because firstly the Legend that Anos was discussing about earlier relating to the Sword, and secondly while there is no record, for some reason Eleonora commented that Hero Kanon was killed by a Human, which is odd considering that if there is no record or information around, how does a student like her know about it unless she was present at the time of the Hero Kanon's death.

But its also possible that she might be the reincarnation of someone else close to the Hero Kanon, but probably not him.
i'm on that board, this is why i believe which lei is the hero reincarnation and misa and eleonor are the reincarnation of the 2 gods helping the hero in the past, eleonor being the sword god and misa being the spirit god.
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Old 2020-09-06, 12:26   Link #279
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i'm on that board, this is why i believe which lei is the hero reincarnation and misa and eleonor are the reincarnation of the 2 gods helping the hero in the past, eleonor being the sword god and misa being the spirit god.
According to the guy that said this, they weren't a sword god and spirit god, they were the goddess of creation and the arch-spirit.
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Old 2020-09-06, 14:36   Link #280
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Wait, I'm kinda confused. When Ledriano showed everyone how to repair-reinforce a sword then used it to smash a rock statue, is that supposed to be something notable or impressive that worth doing by top student? After all, you can hear the audience uttering "whoa!" after they saw it. Just how low is the standard magic in this place if fixing a sword and smashing a rock with it is enough to impress the equivalent of highschool/college students in this magic-oriented world?
Well it was supposed to be a rusty broken blade, and he enhanced it to the level where it regained it's old strength and now could SLICE through STONE. Which in most settings would be pretty impressive.

Problem is they are all children compared to Anos-daddy-sama
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