The Genderbending of Haruhi Suzumiya [Spoilers Aplenty]

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by kaura117

Well, there's the alternative hypothesis mentioned in the book: not time travelers, but ancient civilizations.

Really, we need a frame shot of Haruhi's private library to even guess at what's really sneaking around in the background.

Wasn't the other hypothesis aliens?

Which don't exist because humans are the only corporeal beings capable of interstellar flight?

(However, I personally think the important thing is not where the rod is from, but what the rod does...)

[ClockWorkAngel]

@Kai But would the time quake be constant and therefore always there? Because technically speaking it would have always existed and simply not played out by the present is all.

[Aebliss]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Mmm, that works. 'Cept he's already in the maid outfit.

'Tis but the work of a minor edit then, hm? ~_^ Just have Mitsuru standing there, looking all depressed, with Haruki bullying him about how he needs to 'be a man about it.' Then Kyon steps in and, hey presto. I can re-write to that effect, if you like.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by ClockWorkAngel

@Kai But would the time quake be constant and therefore always there? Because technically speaking it would have always existed and simply not played out by the present is all.

Then the time travelers would never have noticed the difference, which they did.

Haruhi breaks causality and self-consistency. That's my point.

[kaura117]

Originally Posted by BookOfMages

Blegh here was my crack at them folks.

Kuyoh, Kyoko, and messed up Sasaki

Anyway, what's a slider? >_>

Somebody that travels between universes.

Also, there were three possibilities Kyon mentioned in the book: time traveler, ancient civilizations, and aliens.

[Aebliss]

Originally Posted by BookOfMages

Anyway, what's a slider? >_>

Someone who travels between alternate realities. Wiki 'slider' and you'll probably be guided to a TV-show whose premise explains the term rather well.

[BookOfMages]

Oh, thanks for the definition then.

Isn't Mitsuuru like half of one?

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by kaura117

Also, there were three possibilities Kyon mentioned in the book: time traveler, ancient civilizations, and aliens.

Ah. But since ancient civilizations have nothing to do with the books as of yet...

Also, there COULD be a fourth option. Maybe Orihime and Hikoboshi sent the rod to Earth for Kyon to find it hundreds of years later.

Originally Posted by Aebliss

Someone who travels between alternate realities. Wiki 'slider' and you'll probably be guided to a TV-show whose premise explains the term rather well.

Didn't that show INVENT that term?

The original Japanese term is "isakajin", I believe, which means something along the line of "parallel world people."

Thank god a.f.k. watched Sliders.

[Jintor]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

It is understandable.

According to him, time is set up into "planes" (basically alternate universes) into which a traveler from another plane can "jump". Due to this, his presence has no effect on the "timeline" which really doesn't exist.

Get it now?

There! Thank you!

[kaura117]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Ah. But since ancient civilizations have nothing to do with the books as of yet...

Also, there COULD be a fourth option. Maybe Orihime and Hikoboshi sent the rod to Earth for Kyon to find it hundreds of years later.

Or, because the Integrated Data Entity does clearly have power over mundane objects, and because I seem to recall Yuki specifically saying that time travel is an option for her, aliens really did plant it there.

Edit: Actually, I'm not completely sure of that... does "Disappearance" count as time travel, or pocket universe generation?

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Jintor

There! Thank you!

You're welcome.

Originally Posted by kaura117

Or, because the Integrated Data Entity does clearly have power over mundane objects, and because I seem to recall Yuki specifically saying that time travel is an option for her, aliens really did plant it there.

Let's just wait for the novels to tell us...

[Aebliss]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Ah. But since ancient civilizations have nothing to do with the books as of yet...

Also, there COULD be a fourth option. Maybe Orihime and Hikoboshi sent the rod to Earth for Kyon to find it hundreds of years later.



Didn't that show INVENT that term?

The original Japanese term is "isakajin", I believe, which means something along the line of "parallel world people."

*shrug* Maybe Haruhi will create it herself at some unspecified point in the future because there is a pressing need for it, and Kyon somehow manages to wrangle Asahina into sending it back to the time when it should be found.
The item could be a paradox, existing because it needs to - whatever its use may be - and existing in a specific stretch of time without actually having been made by anyone. Until the author writes more, we can just speculate until the cows come home, really ...

[Jintor]

I'm just glad we got off the god-damned wangst.

[kaura117]

Originally Posted by Aebliss

*shrug* Maybe Haruhi will create it herself at some unspecified point in the future because there is a pressing need for it, and Kyon somehow manages to wrangle Asahina into sending it back to the time when it should be found.
The item could be a paradox, existing because it needs to - whatever its use may be - and existing in a specific stretch of time without actually having been made by anyone. Until the author writes more, we can just speculate until the cows come home, really ...

I'm half convinced that Tanigawa Nagaru's got the entire series plotted out in half a dozen thick notebooks. The other half thinks that he's some massively ingenious bullshit artist- one of the world's greatest.

[Aebliss]

I'm wondering right now whether anyone has addressed the question of how Haruki is going to sell the idea of joining a softball competition to Kyonko. She doesn't strike me as the overly athletic type ... Inviting her little brother makes more sense, of course -- I can just see Haruki being more approving of the little go-getter than Haruhi was of Kyon's little sis -- but Kyonko would probably be more recalcitrant.

...

On another note, how wrong is it that I see a strong resemblance between female Tanaguchi and 'Mako-chan', Makoto's female alter ego from Minami-ke? ^^;

[Aebliss]

Originally Posted by kaura117

I'm half convinced that Tanigawa Nagaru's got the entire series plotted out in half a dozen thick notebooks. The other half thinks that he's some massively ingenious bullshit artist- one of the world's greatest.

Maybe it's a bit of both; a general plot outline d, with details and loose arcs done on the fly, as it were.

[Forceflow]

Originally Posted by Aebliss

Maybe it's a bit of both; a general plot outline d, with details and loose arcs done on the fly, as it were.

I tend to loads of pre-prep. Trying to do this sort of book on the fly is a recipe for disaster.

And try not to double post.

[ClockWorkAngel]

Mako-chan rocks . I find Tanaguchi-ko extremely moe!

If Haruhi breaks all the rules; then we shouldn't be trying to figure this out with the mindset we would use if it was a normal situation.

[kaura117]

Originally Posted by Aebliss

I'm wondering right now whether anyone has addressed the question of how Haruki is going to sell the idea of joining a softball competition to Kyonko. She doesn't strike me as the overly athletic type ... Inviting her little brother makes more sense, of course -- I can just see Haruki being more approving of the little go-getter than Haruhi was of Kyon's little sis -- but Kyonko would probably be more recalcitrant.

...

On another note, how wrong is it that I see a strong resemblance between female Tanaguchi and 'Mako-chan', Makoto's female alter ego from Minami-ke? ^^;

Kyonko probably does do some exercise as a general attempt to look good. And, really, do you see Haruki giving her any other options? >_>

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Aebliss

I'm wondering right now whether anyone has addressed the question of how Haruki is going to sell the idea of joining a softball competition to Kyonko. She doesn't strike me as the overly athletic type ... Inviting her little brother makes more sense, of course -- I can just see Haruki being more approving of the little go-getter than Haruhi was of Kyon's little sis -- but Kyonko would probably be more recalcitrant.

...

On another note, how wrong is it that I see a strong resemblance between female Tanaguchi and 'Mako-chan', Makoto's female alter ego from Minami-ke? ^^;

As for the baseball thing, I was thinking of making it an arcade tournament instead...

And yes, it's WRONG!

Originally Posted by Aebliss

Maybe it's a bit of both; a general plot outline d, with details and loose arcs done on the fly, as it were.

Yeah, probably.