2012-12-08, 23:24 | Link #581 |
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What I'm objecting to is Ryouta beating him up. You seem to be skirting oddly around that, but presumably what you're saying is that it's okay and justified for a person to beat a friend to a pulp if they sleep with someone they admire from afar and had no relationship with. Since that seems to be what you mean, then yes, we'll have to agree to disagree, because I think that sort of conduct is totally unacceptable.
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2012-12-08, 23:43 | Link #582 | |
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2012-12-09, 08:11 | Link #584 | |
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And lets face it. Girls are not like clothes in a department store where you go and ask for a dressing room. |
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2012-12-09, 14:05 | Link #585 |
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You know, I'm not even thinking about justification.
The emotional surge that comes from such events is what makes it happen. People get beaten to a pulp over things like this all the time. It doesn't have to be justified. I mean, Sakamoto still got himself expelled so it's not like he got away with it scot-free. And whether that was Sakamoto's motivation or not doesn't even matter, Oda -REALLY- deserved to be punched in the face regardless of whether he betrayed Sakamoto or not. |
2012-12-09, 14:19 | Link #586 |
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Oda seems to be a psycopath due to his total lack of empathy. He cheated on his girlfriend to have a one night stand with his friends love interest, just because he could and didn't seem to realise that anyone would mind. Working as a host would suit him perfectly as it's all about acting like a nice guy while not giving a crap.
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2012-12-09, 15:13 | Link #587 |
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Oda was a complete jerk in what he did and didn't even care at all about it.
- He was already in a relationship and cheated and he saw no problem with what he did. - He clearly knew that his "best" friend liked Aiko and still did it with her and he saw no problem with what he did. - He was not in love with Aiko, but just used her feelings for him to give his "best" friend a lesson, and that in an incredible twisted way. And he saw no problem with what he did. Friends don't do something like that and human beings with a conscience don't do something like that either. From my point of view, Ode deserved the beating he got. |
2012-12-09, 16:25 | Link #588 |
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Your gf tells you someone tried to kill her, and your response is she's crazy and that person is a good guy.
I mean, I get it. We're creating drama in a fictional story meant to entertain here, but people who act like this in real life go on my list.
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2012-12-10, 04:41 | Link #589 | |
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Whether there's reason for the audience to look at the other factors and think that Oda had it coming, that's a different story. Ryouta's actual reasons weren't good enough for something that extreme, IMO. Yep, all true. And, well, by now Oda's already tried to kill Sakamoto off with bombs in order to get food. I don't think either of them's going to be holding a grudge over the situation before. Although it's going to be interesting to see how those two interact in future. |
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2012-12-10, 11:37 | Link #590 |
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At least you can agree that regardless of Sakamoto's motivation, Oda totally deserved that.
And no, I don't think either of them have a grudge over it. Neither of them is the type. They move on. I have to say this though. The whole "He didn't even ask her out." angle. Even though he didn't ask her out, doesn't take away his right to feel that way. I'm not sure if you know what it's like to be unable to ask someone out, but for one, it will cause the emotion to remain for a much longer time. And really, what kind of friend goes for the girl that another guy likes anyways? |
2012-12-10, 12:31 | Link #591 |
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Even if we forget for e second that he treated those girls like trash. He betrayed their friendship, stabbed him in the back in an extremely despicable way and was not even feeling gulity about it or a hint of remorse or regtet over what he did. Oda just deserved it.
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2012-12-10, 12:42 | Link #592 |
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...? You're mistaken. I didn't agree to anything like that. I don't think he did deserve it. Ryouta lost it to the point where it looked as if he might have killed or seriously injured Oda if people hadn't stopped him. He was hitting him hard in the head multiple times. And Btooom is a relatively realistic series, not one filled with tons of fantasy violence. (OK, OK, it has bombs in a murder game on an island, and assorted people have managed to dodge bombs that should've killed them, but still.) Oda behaved very badly, but Ryouta could've killed him or caused serious damage, and that's a lot worse than anything Oda did.
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2012-12-10, 17:42 | Link #593 |
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I'm sorry, I meant to put a question mark in the place where there is a period, as it was an assumption and not a fact.
Still though, apparently you do not think he is the worst scum of the earth. Which... I guess... To each their own. If you think playing with girls like they're dolls and betraying friends like they don't have feelings is ok, then that's up to you. |
2012-12-11, 07:48 | Link #594 | |
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Also, saying that someone shouldn't be given a savage beating from someone who could easily have killed him does not mean condoing every action of the person who got beaten up. That's a straw man argument. Still. Oda's definitely not the worst scum of the Earth, or at least he wasn't before he went to the island. If he really were the worst scum of the Earth, or at least the Btoooom! world, you'd have to be saying he's worse than Date, Kōsuke, and worse than the guys who raped Himiko's friends, right? Or at least on an even level with them. But we all know that's not true. He cheated on his girlfriend and betrayed a friend, but that's a world away from the actions of those characters. |
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2012-12-11, 12:34 | Link #596 |
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Well...yeah, it is. You don't think there's a big difference between someone like Kōsuke who's committed multiple murders for the lulz and raped the corpses, and Oda as a schoolkid who cheated on his girlfriend with a consenting girl whom he knew his friend liked?
Big difference! Huge difference! Are you seriously intending to imply that you don't see much of a difference between the two? What the hell. |
2012-12-12, 02:43 | Link #598 | |
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2012-12-13, 12:06 | Link #600 |
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I've watched the preview of the 11th episode and can pretty much confirm that there won't be filler ending - and they'll end on 50th chapter. Well, I thought so since the begging - that chapter is somewhat perfect for the ending.
Spoiler for ep.11:
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