2013-11-30, 19:28 | Link #601 |
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I keep thinking someone is going to come up with some line out of Utena about "revolutionizing the world". The back-story is all wrong, but we've got some of the same images. Though Riki and Rin as Utena/Anthy is a bit of a stretch...
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2013-12-01, 00:41 | Link #602 |
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How many episodes is this season exactly? I thought it was 14, plus 7 for EX equals 21. That still leaves two episodes unaccounted for. Am I missing something? I'm seeing some sources say 13. Should we expect a Clannad-style recap episode at the end?
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2013-12-01, 04:08 | Link #604 | |
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Episodes 11 and 12 will be tearjerkers. Time to get my tissues ready...
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2013-12-07, 12:23 | Link #605 |
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So, as a VN veteran, one thing I still don't understand is what the deal with the fuel leak and all that is. What is Kyousuke hoping to accomplish? Buying time? If he doesn't plug the leak does that mean Riki and Rin die? But that doesn't seem to be the case, because the whole story works on the assumption that Riki and Rin survive.
Or is it that he's hoping for a miracle where everyone survives?
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2013-12-07, 21:42 | Link #607 | |
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It also could be that he wanted to stall time in case their were survivors. From what I got out of the game was it was the explosion that killed everyone. It wasn't just the initial drop. |
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2013-12-07, 22:49 | Link #608 |
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My memory is pretty foggy, I should probably replay Episode:Kyousuke before going into this again. But wasn't there some deal where time kept resetting in the real world when he was struggling to the gas leak? That especially confused me.
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2013-12-08, 00:45 | Link #609 | |
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And when Kyousuke's control of the fake world became weaker, he could get further to the source of the gas leak, hence when he reached the Gas Leak, he mentions it's all over. Anyway the Bus exploding actually kills everyone in a bad end where you try to save Kyousuke first. The reason why Riki and Rin were relatively fine compared to the other survivors were that Kengo and Masato shielded them from most of the damage when the Bus crashed. So basically everyone was unable to move and unconscious. |
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2013-12-08, 11:45 | Link #610 | |
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I liked how the anime handled episode: Kyousuke. I'm glad they left out the moment out that Kyousuke pictures Riki making a stretcher and Rin searching for items and helping the injured. This is way too foreshadowing.
Things I didn't like: 1) They forgot to show that Kyousuke was the one who turned everyone into Masato during Masato's arc. 2) They didn't show Kyousuke 'killing' himself once he's covering the hole where the gasoline is leaking from. This is important for understanding how the real world and the dream world are connected. Anyway, I hope they'll involve Rin more in last episode: Little Busters. I know that this is supposed to focus on the guys mostly and that The Last Dream is focused on Rin, but they made Rin act too stupid/naive during last episode: Little Busters in the VN... Quote:
Kyousuke found a loophole which enables him to exit the dream world, though. Since the time in the real world doesn't flow when they're in the dream world, the world (or space–time continuum or whatever you want to call it) had to 'improvise' and decided that Kyousuke would return to the time and place where he was supposed to be, i.e. right before his time stopped. So each time he loses consciouness while crawling in the real world, he'll rest in the dream world before returning to the real world, which returns him to the starting point again. This happens when he goes back to the dream world voluntarily as well. It's a never-ending cycle. Basically, he saved his game right before entering the dream world. He can load this saved game, but he can't save his progress in the real world. In order to keep blocking the leaking gasoline he decided to change the primary reason of his death in the real world (using glass to cut himself in his hand/wrist), so that the world would recognize this as the place where he'd die instead of the old location and time, which would make this his new reset point. Kyousuke basically cheated. At least, this is my theory.
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2013-12-08, 18:29 | Link #611 | |
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2013-12-09, 14:09 | Link #613 | |
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I have the feeling that the anime version will make me cry even more.
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2013-12-12, 10:19 | Link #614 | |
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Also, to get back on topic, the preview images for Episode 11 are up. http://litbus-anime.com/refrain/index.html#story11
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2013-12-14, 15:45 | Link #615 |
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Kyousuke crying really got me this time, dare I say that part was better in the anime than in the game!
Other than that, I think I still much prefer the game version to the anime. I wish they kept the part with "Faraway" playing as soon as Riki decided "There comes a time when you have to stop playing..." that was pretty powerful for me. But I guess moving it to Kengo's goodbye was OK too. Was still a pretty good episode though. EDIT: I watched it again, and... well, I'm not really satisfied. I can't place my finger on what exactly I didn't like about it... but... the VN part was WAY better. Last edited by DaBackpack; 2013-12-14 at 16:13. |
2013-12-14, 16:51 | Link #617 |
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I liked the anime version very much. There were parts that were better in the anime, although there were parts that I liked more in the VN as well. All in all, I was very content with the anime episode.
I like that the anime focused more on Kyousuke's feelings for Rin. This sentence was really strong: 'I wanted to stay with that awkward little girl forever....But I can't protect you anymore. I'm sorry, Rin.' I also love this little exchange: *Rin pitches* *Kyousuke catches the ball and smiles* Kyousuke: 'Good, right down the middle.' Riki: 'For a girl she throws hard.' Kyousuke: 'Good pitch, Rin! Thanks, Riki.' The scene with Riki remembering everything that happened in the other time-loops was good too. I don't remember this happening in the VN. Finally, the scene were Kyousuke sees his fallen comrades on more time was a nice touch as well. I was hoping that they'd give Rin a bigger role in the anime, but I think they made it seem like Rin didn't hear the conversation between Riki and Kyousuke, which means that she didn't know what was happening at that point. Still, she didn't look very surprised when both Masato and Kengo disappeared. I still think that this could have been handled better. But I guess they want to save Rin for Komari. I agree, but I like how the anime did it as well.
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2013-12-14, 18:53 | Link #618 | |
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I honestly can't remember if she acted the same way on this scene in the VN (though I suspect she did), but the anime only makes it more glaring. |
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2013-12-14, 19:39 | Link #619 | |
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2013-12-14, 19:49 | Link #620 | |
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The difference is that in the VN, you have sprites. Rin's sprite just disappears for most of the entire scene and if you stopped to think for a moment (coupled with her few confused reactions), it came off like she was barely involved. I thank the anime for including that earlier scene with Rin trying to remember something that she forgotten and make it seem like she didn't actually overhear what Kyousuke was telling Riki so it made her confusion and lack of emotional reaction more believable (Still wasn't enough IMO). Her emotional scene will be coming next episode and this way it makes more sense. As riki learned the secret of the world this episode, so too will Rin in the next one. I think Maeda originally intended this to be the case, but he did it awkwardly in this regard.
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