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err...its her personality to be shy...i dont not see another hidden personality where she is thinking "right...ill pretend to suffer so others might take pitty on me" which is what you are implying. she didnt fight back because she lacked mental strength to do so...which is a character flaw? or a highly valuable trait? i would prefer her over a loud mouth bitch any day (not because i think she is submissive but because i just love her personality - so much so you would want to embrace and protect such a fragile creature). 2) " failed to believe the truth of what Makoto really was ( a two timing bastard) countless times," ...while he failed to tell her the truth until she had dug herself into a bottomless pit... agreed that she should have given him up but by that time she wasnt "sane" as most normal human beings...living in a word of fantasy she only wants to be loved... 3)"went completely insane over an obsession with a guy who blatantly told her it was over," The damage was done...the damage was done... and i said mentally strong for a different thing. this obviously was just too much for her to bare...if you see she has always been confused with the whole situation and being held back on important information for a good portion of the series didnt help either. we actually see that she has a fear of being lonely after gaining some friends for the first time she has been in this school. To know the warmth of another person is something not easily put down. Quote:
yep im not saying she is totally innocent or whatever but largly she is - id say about 10% of her is the flaws which is low compared to the other girls and "IT". the only crime she commited has to be going out with makoto and giving him soo many chances in the first place but again that is due to her insecure personality. if you say that it is her fault for being insecure than indeed it is but some people like that. as for being a victim that she is...no doubt about it she is the victim here even if not fully innocent. I cant say that she brought all of this onto herself because it was mainly sekai's doing but in the later parts she has already shown to be faithful to only one man...shame she was wasted on makoto though Quote:
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I prefer to take more than a one dimensional perspective on character. Throwing the victim label on someone overshadows their strengths by focusing on their weakness. Also in the manner people like to us it, it also implies that said person was 'innocent' in the entire fiasco. Let's just say, I prefer not to use the term, out of respect for Kotonoha's character. The label victim is no doubt objective. That's not the problem. The problem is that those who throw the label of victim around often highlight someone's weaknesses as opposed to their strengths. Labeling Kotonoha as a victim does nothing but bring attention to her weakness whereas what we should be doing is identifying her strenghs. The term victim is too black and white to be used in a world where everything has shades of grey. Quote:
In my eyes, or your eyes, it may not free her from any flaws, but in the manner people have used the term in this thread it does. All in all, when it comes to the label victim, what i'm basically trying to say is we shouldn't toss it around so much. Quote:
There's nothing wrong with being shy and a bit submissive. When you pretty much let everyone walk all over you and don't think much of yourself that's pretty much an indication of low self esteem, which in my opinion is a flaw in personality. Quote:
There was still quite a bit of time before she lost all her marbles. She only reallyk lost it after she let Makoto's buddy take advantage of her. To do that, in my opinion, unconsciously she must have known the truth. Quote:
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2007-10-23, 16:23 | Link #124 |
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I know everybody's a victim in their own way but I will tell you again why I said kotonoha is a "victim"... for you it's a matter of innocence... but for me it's a matter of how much trauma and damaged done to a person... Yeah.. Kotonoha sure dig her own grave that's after the what you call betrayal
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So for me Kotonoha is the main victim... yeah I know Sekai and Makoto were victims to the end.. but to the whole series its Kotonoha.... And I think its a matter of how you interpret the meaning of a victim... and then label it to a person... but for me, a victim is the one who is first damaged, emotionally... and the quantity of suffering she has gone through..
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2007-10-26, 18:48 | Link #125 |
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Should we really be arguing about who is 'more' of a victim? Does it really make any difference who is more of a victim? Personally, I really don't think it does, but then you do. So I guess the best thing to do is to agree to disagree, you have your own opinions and I respect that, but I also have mine, and I don't think they're going to change.
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2008-01-04, 15:25 | Link #127 |
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Kotonoha's too good to be true in the real world for common folk like me, but if ever you encounter someone like that, and is actually interested in you, don't freaking let go as if your life depended on it. In the anime, what happened to Kotonoha affects me the most.
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2008-01-16, 00:44 | Link #130 |
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I've watched hmm 11 episodes now and all I can say is that Makoto is a freaking asshole -.- Switching girls like that and like he's with Hikari while Sekai is worrying / absent at home. After he promised Setsuna to take care of Sekai only. That bastard is really pissing me off.
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2008-01-21, 10:59 | Link #131 |
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I still don't understand why she is so clueless after seeing Makoto and Sekai at the dance. Also, Makoto just said they shouldn't see each other and she is still clueless!
Screw it she knows now. And she looks homicidal. I really feel sorry for her. Makoto is an asshole. Last edited by Rookie103; 2008-01-21 at 11:53. |
2008-01-22, 00:40 | Link #132 |
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Eventhough she is portrayed as the most victimize, i think kotonoha's emotional unstableness will get her into trouble eventually even if she hadnt met makoto.
She is a psycho even though shes pretty cute. I guess luck is not on her side. If she met prince charming they can live happily ever after but too bad she didnt get a role in a fairie tale. |
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2008-04-12, 07:02 | Link #135 |
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People question why kotonoha never left him after finding out she had been cheated on, but i believe that, since makoto was the very first person to fall in love with her, she did not want to lose him and those never took the initiative to take on another man.Then finally when she gets Makoto bak from Sekai, he dies OMG why her?! I mean throguout the anime i wished he would just die, but after he cried and said 'Spare me this' and 'Why would you want someone like me?' I thought it would be for the best if kotonoha could stay with the only person she ever loved. She also musters the courage to say ' I wont be led astray again' ;;_;;.
1. I felt sick after she got raped (She just went through so much and to a point she lost herself and got taken advantage of) 2. I wanted to cry for kotonoha, but couldnt because of the wtfbbq pwnt makoto 3.Of course women like this exist in the world, shy and everything, and of course they would never snap nor use a knife unless someone ticked them off badly(Sekai with the whole betrayal and killing Kotonohas first and only love). Everyone is calling her a psycho cause of one act of revenge, and she doesnt go berserk, she puts on half a smile and simply slices ^^ Through the stabbing before he dies, Makoto says something in jap, it was tranlated to 'Thank goodness...', All i hear him say is 'Sou ka?' which i know means 'I see' or make it roughly into 'So this is how it ends' after Sekai says 'Your despicable, wanting happiness for yourself'. I got confused there.. or my hearing bad, or i sux0rz at jap. Also even though the anime is based off it, the anime kotonoha is different from the game kotonoha, simply because in the game, you have control of the storyline (You wanna see her good side? keep her points up. not that ive played the game XD ( it like 8 gigs -_- ill jus buy it) I LOVE U KOTONOHA KATSURA I HOPE YOUR READING THIS ON YOUR BOAT THROUGH WIRELESS NET. gah evrything that kotonoha went though just affected me so much |
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Ok, for today's personal blasphemies
After discovering and watching this amazing anime (that is, School Days of course) I was really sad for Kotonoha. I completely agree with those who said that she's absurdly shy, difficult to approach and, well, "high-mainteinance" (that made my day ), but as everyone knows no one's perfect, and in her case, little missy here has to struggle a lot. Counting in a truly heartless boyfriend who would work better as an attendant of a bordello, four classmates from which comes nothing but bullying and a would-to-be rapist, this is something umbearable indeed. Plus, an apparent friend (Sekai) that cheats on you adds the final blow. Seeing all this was almost painful, and truly I thought that Kotonoha was the best girl of the show. However. After seeing the ending I was like "oh Christ ". That is, forget everything I said until now and switch it with a psychotic and deranged personality unable to grasp reality and more than willing to spill blood. Honestly I was shocked, "where the Hell's Kotonoha vanished?" I asked me a lot of times. And in the end, this change that was nothing short of brutal made her crumble to my eyes. Also, quoting one sentence from the post before: Quote:
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Makoto is getting the blame for that. He shouldn't have been born in the first place -__- Okey...though I admit I also like Kotonoha's yandere side
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2008-05-05, 13:17 | Link #139 |
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i think out of everyone, kotonoha's the real victim...
she's cute, shy, polite and overall, very innocent, so guys, even girls, make harrasing her,taking adventage of her a very easy job... she was completely in her right for what she did to sekai.... SPOILER SPOILER but at the same time, she was an unrealistic character, because nowdays, i don't think people actually mind their relatonships and jealousy so much!! but she's a sweet and nice girl overall ^^ |
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Imo Kotonoha can’t be only defined as victim alone she went thru more
then your average teenager would go thru in fact to lose the friends you trust to lose the love of your life to even lose your virginity to some random snob I think yeah that would make you a emotional scar for life….. As for Makoto part I do strongly believe he was in love with Kotonoha just it was a love b4 time for him… it was so new and so untouched that he just could not handle the fragile and gentle Kotonoha I guess it was a bit too much of work and hassle so of course Sekai would seem as expected easy to get laid but that was not the true Makoto… He was in love with a girl that was so deeply touched with him and that so believed in Sekai to help her get the relation on the tracks coz Kotonoha just lacked the experience in love department so yeah it is easy pray again to other people again this is what happens to people that are in love sadly but true… I still find it so sad that Sekai could not resist her own feeling for Mokoto and backstab Kotonoha in the process only to get her own selfish happiness and totally neglect Kotonoha feelings just for her own sadistic sake… But alas the rest had a strong part in it too specially that Otome I so dislike what she did forcing her self on to easy to abuse Mokoto and she knew that Kotonoha had feeling for him to start with so she opened the Pandora’s Box so that the rest of the girls would want a piece of the cake too… Yes it happens and it is a known factor girls tend to make a competition of who will get the guy first. I think in this case the real part of Mokoto died just there he was a lust fiend and was out of touch with reality most guys would be tempted yet he was still a bit shy and he felt that his deeds were not going any where near satisfaction so why…. I think in every bad person how bad he may be there is still some good too… Kotonoha on her part was not like that and she endured a lot of pain and suffering while trying to be Mokoto’s Girlfriend the humiliation the agony pain total mind abuse what not... I so love the story that Setsuna told with the flower part I think it was well placed it showed the true nature of the mess that has started to roll like a snowball effect. I guess that in this case Sakai is to blame for the most part then Makoto though I find him a bit off the hook since when he saw the damage done to Kotonoha and came to his senses he totally snapped did he deserve his fait with Sekai? Yea he did but not like that… I just can’t agree to his end even though Sakai seems to go Skitzo at the end I still think that she was sadistic jalousie and did not wish for Kotonoha’s happiness. Careless thinking of her self let him have his way. True but at what cost to ruin his and her life for good... I agree to Kotonoha doing what she did though sad as it may seem to be in a nightmare and wake up from it to come home and ……. Yes Omg there goes my dream my life my love my beginning why oh why yeah I guess pretty messy there… All in all I really feel this anime brought up some deep bitter emotions above and any one watching this can have mixed feelings as well… As the truth factor of how things can go from good to totally mayhem in just a short time… And the worse of it all is the life after the incidents like “Nothing Happened At All” Really disturbing school life remains like it is but a few are umm missing maybe??? Oh well I guess girls like Kotonoha do really exist and may have similar experience or even worse just the way life is some times guess… love can be messy at time… Message sent… P.S sorry for my poor English ^^ Be True and Realistic… |
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