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Cosmic Eagle · 2011-05-15, 20:45

Seriously...I'm loving Kyouko more of that's even possible...

Use power only for herself and she brings nothing but ruin? That's obviously not the case here...She's as good a care-giver as she can be.

Snork · 2011-05-16, 08:50

Makes one think of bad things.. What should have happened to Yuma for Kyouko to cement her ideology further?

This IS Gen Urobuchi we're talkin' here...
But honestly, I'm still confused about the continuity so far. Hopefully the full translation will make it clear. For now, the whole story revolving around Oriko, Kirika and Yuma seems to have happened before the Groundhog Month... but it contradicts Homura's involvement and behaviour. And if it all is taking place during the main timeset, such a deal couldn't possibly have gone unnoticed in other timelines. Imagine Madoka becoming a magical girl and then learning that someone is actually killing magical girls around - and that someone might well be after her. Of course, it's not clear if Kyouko met Yuma in Mitakihara - if the location is the city she patrolled before takig Mami's turf, then things may get a bit more explainable. But still...

kaigan · 2011-05-16, 09:00

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136, not including bonus art.

ok, thanks! so i guess it's about 6~ chapters in a single volume.

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Waaait, her attire says otherwise. Kirika fits the description better, doesn't she?

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Cosmic Eagle · 2011-05-16, 10:06

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Originally Posted by Snork

Makes one think of bad things.. What should have happened to Yuma for Kyouko to cement her ideology further?

This IS Gen Urobuchi we're talkin' here...
But honestly, I'm still confused about the continuity so far. Hopefully the full translation will make it clear. For now, the whole story revolving around Oriko, Kirika and Yuma seems to have happened before the Groundhog Month... but it contradicts Homura's involvement and behaviour. And if it all is taking place during the main timeset, such a deal couldn't possibly have gone unnoticed in other timelines. Imagine Madoka becoming a magical girl and then learning that someone is actually killing magical girls around - and that someone might well be after her. Of course, it's not clear if Kyouko met Yuma in Mitakihara - if the location is the city she patrolled before takig Mami's turf, then things may get a bit more explainable. But still...

Where is the translation up to?

Cosmic Eagle · 2011-05-16, 10:08

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ok, thanks! so i guess it's about 6~ chapters in a single volume.

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Snork · 2011-05-16, 10:29

Sharing her name with a Noir character doesn't help either.

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Where is the translation up to?

Clear scans still at around page 10, plus two dozen scans with gelbooru-like translation notes.

Shadow5YA · 2011-05-16, 14:00

Sounds like one of Homura's many misadventures. Homura comes up with a plan to save Madoka, then **** happens and ruins her plans. Events are no longer under Homura's control (if they were ever), and all she can do is improvise the best she can.

It's like what happened in the main story. Homura tries to recruit Kyoko, and whoops, NOT AS PLANNED.

Cosmic Eagle · 2011-05-16, 18:42

the reason why Kyouko is such a deadly fighter is now clear....she's too stubborn to die when Mami would have gotten her head chewed off in a similar scenario....

Too bad Kyuube used that time to pull one of his most dickish moves to date..

Shadow5YA · 2011-05-16, 19:59

Kyoko is more earnest than she gives herself credit for. She didn't use her Puella Magi form to break into that hotel and bath when it would have been easier if she did.

Used Can · 2011-05-17, 00:28

I want to give Yuma a hug.

Cosmic Eagle · 2011-05-17, 00:42

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I want to give Yuma a hug.

Yeah.....easily the most tragic of all characters in vol 1 so far....hell she doesn't even look like she's past elementary school.....And Kyuube made her a PM while Oriko manipulates it all.....

Kyouko became a PM for someone else's sake and now is painful seeing her on the other end of the equation....

Riga92 · 2011-05-17, 00:51

Kyouko is such a bro, taking in Yuma under her custody, teaching her the ways of street life, and most importantly, trying to prevent Yuma from becoming a puella magi, even if she doesn't know the full truth yet.

Used Can · 2011-05-17, 02:03

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Yeah.....easily the most tragic of all characters in vol 1 so far

I think she's the most tragic character, so far. Madoka and Sayaka had good lives. Homura was the same, with her physical problems, but still good. Kyouko was poor, but she had a loving family. Mami, we don't know about her family, but they were probably nice. However, Yuma's family life was really bad. I mean. fuck, her mother used to burn cigarettes on her forehead.

Snork · 2011-05-17, 06:49

Honestly, I'm not even sure if Yuma's expressions are simpy overdone or directly show her mental state... Poor child.

Even if your marriage is failing, does torturing your own little daughter come to mind as the most natural course of action? "Papa has left because you were a bad girl"... That gotta be the most WTF-esque line I've heard in the whole franchise so far.
And as usual in Madokaverse, social services DO NOT EXIST.
Now, a wild guess: Yuma suffers from feeling helpless and weak... What was WN's nature, again? (it's a wild one because I still can't comprehend the continuity involved).

Cosmic Eagle · 2011-05-17, 06:55

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Honestly, I'm not even sure if Yuma's expressions are simpy overdone or directly show her mental state... Poor child.

Even if your marriage is failing, does torturing your own little daughter come to mind as the most natural course of action? "Papa has left because you were a bad girl"... That gotta be the most WTF-esque line I've heard in the whole franchise so far.
And as usual in Madokaverse, social services DO NOT EXIST.
Now, a wild guess: Yuma suffers from feeling helpless and weak... What was WN's nature, again? (it's a wild one because I still can't comprehend the continuity involved).

Well Yuma's mother looks like a total washout anyway.....still the way she hell the way everything Witch or human has gotten butchered in this manga so far...is quite ugh...

The way Yuma is crying as she says she didn't want to be alone when Kyouko asks why she became a PM and when Kyouko says becoming one for other's sake is utterly foolish....heartwrenching....Why does every relationship Kyouko have be so tragic.....

omimon · 2011-05-17, 07:41

Oh man, this manga is so dark it makes the anime look like Barney and Friends.

**Solace** · 2011-05-17, 09:32

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And as usual in Madokaverse, social services DO NOT EXIST.

Social services? Even in countries like America they have difficult, if not often impossible, jobs. Dealing with the legal red tape is a nightmare, and it's not always a simple matter of "clear case of abuse, take child into custody". And for added insult to injury, the new home the child ends up at may not be any better.

It's sad, and cruel, but life is fucked up like that. Just think of the irony here...Yuma has incredible despair/karma built up. She's going to be one hell of a Witch.

I'm left wondering if Walpurgis even factors into this time loop at all. We never see what scares the crap out of Oriko, but it's possible she doesn't make the connection between the Witch leveling the city and what happens if Yuma's incredible potential for beating that Witch results in something even worse (shades of Gretchen). I feel like we're going to watch a self fulfilling prophecy happen.

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Oh man, this manga is so dark it makes the anime look like Barney and Friends.

The subject matter is the same. You can be more graphic in manga than television though. Censorship laws and all that.

supertonia · 2011-05-17, 14:02

Oriko it's all your fault :<
Bcs you acted on this "prophesy" Madoka,homura and co had to go through all that :<
I blame you!!! If you hadn't done anything it would be better!.

Witched · 2011-05-17, 15:12

If Oriko's 'prophecy' had led to believing that some strong witch would destroy the land..

Spoiler for Prophecy:

Used Can · 2011-05-17, 16:22

The problem is, if Oriko thinks Yuma will become Walpurgisnacht, why did she send QB to contract her? Wouldn't it be common sense to try to prevent her from contracting?

I think the link Yuma and whatever Oriko saw may be different.

2011-05-15, 20:45	Link #121
Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	Seriously...I'm loving Kyouko more of that's even possible... Use power only for herself and she brings nothing but ruin? That's obviously not the case here...She's as good a care-giver as she can be. __________________

2011-05-16, 18:42	Link #128
Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	the reason why Kyouko is such a deadly fighter is now clear....she's too stubborn to die when Mami would have gotten her head chewed off in a similar scenario.... Too bad Kyuube used that time to pull one of his most dickish moves to date.. __________________

2011-05-17, 00:28	Link #130
Used Can Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008	I want to give Yuma a hug. __________________ "The name is Tin; Used is just an alias. I'm everything Shoe Box would like to be." - Used Can of the Aluminium Kingdom

2011-05-17, 00:51	Link #132
Riga92 The Spear of Destiny Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: A place where the stars cross. Age: 31	Kyouko is such a bro, taking in Yuma under her custody, teaching her the ways of street life, and most importantly, trying to prevent Yuma from becoming a puella magi, even if she doesn't know the full truth yet. __________________

2011-05-17, 14:02	Link #138
supertonia Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: greece Age: 28	Oriko it's all your fault :< Bcs you acted on this "prophesy" Madoka,homura and co had to go through all that :< I blame you!!! If you hadn't done anything it would be better!. __________________ Thanks for the sig Ichigo-Sora

2011-05-16, 08:50	Link #122
Snork Twilight lander Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Minsk, Belarus	Makes one think of bad things.. What should have happened to Yuma for Kyouko to cement her ideology further? This IS Gen Urobuchi we're talkin' here... But honestly, I'm still confused about the continuity so far. Hopefully the full translation will make it clear. For now, the whole story revolving around Oriko, Kirika and Yuma seems to have happened before the Groundhog Month... but it contradicts Homura's involvement and behaviour. And if it all is taking place during the main timeset, such a deal couldn't possibly have gone unnoticed in other timelines. Imagine Madoka becoming a magical girl and then learning that someone is actually killing magical girls around - and that someone might well be after her. Of course, it's not clear if Kyouko met Yuma in Mitakihara - if the location is the city she patrolled before takig Mami's turf, then things may get a bit more explainable. But still...

2011-05-16, 14:00	Link #127
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	Sounds like one of Homura's many misadventures. Homura comes up with a plan to save Madoka, then **** happens and ruins her plans. Events are no longer under Homura's control (if they were ever), and all she can do is improvise the best she can. It's like what happened in the main story. Homura tries to recruit Kyoko, and whoops, NOT AS PLANNED.

2011-05-16, 19:59	Link #129
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	Kyoko is more earnest than she gives herself credit for. She didn't use her Puella Magi form to break into that hotel and bath when it would have been easier if she did.

2011-05-17, 06:49	Link #134
Snork Twilight lander Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Minsk, Belarus	Honestly, I'm not even sure if Yuma's expressions are simpy overdone or directly show her mental state... Poor child. Even if your marriage is failing, does torturing your own little daughter come to mind as the most natural course of action? "Papa has left because you were a bad girl"... That gotta be the most WTF-esque line I've heard in the whole franchise so far. And as usual in Madokaverse, social services DO NOT EXIST. Now, a wild guess: Yuma suffers from feeling helpless and weak... What was WN's nature, again? (it's a wild one because I still can't comprehend the continuity involved).

2011-05-17, 07:41	Link #136
omimon Professional Hikkikomori Join Date: Feb 2009	Oh man, this manga is so dark it makes the anime look like Barney and Friends.

2011-05-17, 15:12	Link #139
Witched Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011	If Oriko's 'prophecy' had led to believing that some strong witch would destroy the land.. Spoiler for Prophecy: The truth probably is, she must've misunderstood that Yuma would've possibly defeated Gretchen, but if you noticed... You must've misunderstood that at first glance, you would've thought it was Gretchen, whoever, with the roots, you shuold have noticed it was Walpurgisnacht's roots. Thus, the image of Yuma appearing on the later page must've displayed that Yuma had the potential to become Walpurgisnacht. Meaning that Oriko's 'prediction' would most likely show who would have the potential of being a witch, instead of 'who can save the town from it'.

2011-05-17, 16:22	Link #140
Used Can Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008	The problem is, if Oriko thinks Yuma will become Walpurgisnacht, why did she send QB to contract her? Wouldn't it be common sense to try to prevent her from contracting? I think the link Yuma and whatever Oriko saw may be different. __________________ "The name is Tin; Used is just an alias. I'm everything Shoe Box would like to be." - Used Can of the Aluminium Kingdom