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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 19 | |||
10 out of 10 : Nearly Perfect... | 30 | 28.30% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent... | 37 | 34.91% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good... | 21 | 19.81% | |
7 out of 10 : Good... | 8 | 7.55% | |
6 out of 10 : Average... | 6 | 5.66% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average... | 1 | 0.94% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor... | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad... | 1 | 0.94% | |
1 out of 10 : Torturous... | 2 | 1.89% | |
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2012-11-13, 18:32 | Link #261 | |
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While at the same time betraying his friends and everything he stands for? That's not very Kirito. Also, the point may not be just to unite the races, the point is that he needs help to get up that tree. It HAS been established that it's more complicated than walking up to the tree and climbing it. There's a whole lot of things he doesn't know yet. His gear is beginner level. He can't do it alone. |
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2012-11-13, 18:41 | Link #262 |
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Kirito's philosophy is basically "Don't be an asshole, just because it's "Just a game" or "Just the internet" and you can get away with it. They're real people."
Which is perfectly reasonable and quite frankly could stand to be a lot more widespread. |
2012-11-13, 19:09 | Link #263 | |
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That makes 4 races, my count is a total of 8 races, how he's going to manage to get their help too I don't know. Plus I'm really interested in what the other races special skill sets are... not the newb skills, but the tanks, Kiritokun esq type skills. What exactly is Kiroto going to do when he confirms that is or isn't Asuna I wonder? Getting her to 'wake up' or log out from inside the game is most likely an impossibility. Going to the police with a 'hey my gf is stuck in a virtual reality game' will also probably not net too much results. Yui is also starting to grow on me... its going to be sad when Kirito is done with ALO. Last edited by relentlessflame; 2012-11-13 at 22:37. Reason: Please edit rather than double-posting |
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2012-11-13, 19:14 | Link #264 | ||||
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Again, relentlessflames post in witch he reasonable explained what is wrong. Quote:
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But it is by no means reasonable to play to the rules of a game that has no consequences to the real life instead on doing everything possible to rescue your wife. If someone would do that in real life, I would seriously question what his priority is. Wife or game. What is more important. |
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2012-11-13, 19:42 | Link #265 |
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It's not the game, it's a personal moral philosophy. It's about being able to look Asuna in the eyes when this is over, or at yourself in the mirror.
Maybe you'd find it more interesting if Kirito was the type of person who would stab his friends in the back (Or in the face in this case, since Lyfa so generously offered.) to get what he wanted, but he's clearly not, and that's not the direction the show is going. |
2012-11-13, 20:17 | Link #266 | |
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So what is more important now? Stick to the rules of this pointless game or do everything possible to rescue your wife? The answer to that should be clear for everyone, at least i hope that. |
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2012-11-13, 20:20 | Link #267 |
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...there is nothing wrong with Kirito's philosophy and morals...because this is who he is...but its just more odd that they want to emphasise these beliefs when ideally his love for Asuna should be as...if not more...important...
...the assumption is that Kirito believes Asuna is in ALO...because if she is not...then he is surely using a lot of time just for confirmation...imagine that it really is not her...remember that the so called wedding takes place in a week... ...if Kirito ends up taking even 4 days to reach the top but turns out it is not her then what? ...hes got 3 more days to pull a miracle...chances then he will surely break down... ...meeting deadlines gets deadlier when days becomes hours...minutes...seconds... ...besides that...since if this is all under Leafa's point of view hence no Kirito thoughts...then they should have made Leafa notice odd behaviours or expressions at least once per episode that will lead to her asking why he is so eagar to reach the top...who this person he is trying to save mean to him...and why is at times he is all jokes yet seems to be a forced smile... ...like that moment in the pub...it may be annoying to see this presented because it may show him as emo but in order to show his love/devotion for Asuna it needs to be fed to the audience... ...SAO arc emphasise that death in the game meant death in real life...and that was portrayed from time to time...so ALO should be about saving Asuna therefore it should be portrayed as well... ...unfortunately all we have is Leafa falling for Kirito thinking he is "her" knight in shining armour...and most of her shocked impressions are based on Kirito's beliefs that are not related to Asuna...perhaps this is Leafa's story and Kirito's story is the "side quest"... Last edited by Bahamut; 2012-11-13 at 20:32. Reason: ...more useless comments... |
2012-11-13, 21:25 | Link #268 | |
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Abandoning Leafa, and the Slyphs and joining up the Salamanders. That's like saying he should have joined the The Holy Dragon Alliance back in SAO to get all the good things. It's not Kirito at all, and as long as he can still save Asuna. He can side-track to help a friend that's currently in a desperate situation that's supported him all this time. Even offered to lead him to the World Tree, when he could have just gone alone. Leafa didn't abandon him, and I'm sure Kirito wouldn't abandon Leafa in a time of crisis. While still trying to save Asuna. Kirito's speech to Leafa clearly states what happens to people emotionally/mentally who would take what you just suggested, even if it's a game. As what Kirito said does happen to people in real life, and in episode 4 of the first season as well. So if Kirito had to choose between the two. Then it would really hurt him deeply inside to pick one, so he chooses the third option which is "both" his friend and his love.
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2012-11-13, 21:37 | Link #269 | |
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If he actually makes some friends then they are far more likely to addapt their plans to what Kirito needs compared to him dealing with someone on a purely self-serving basis. |
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2012-11-13, 21:58 | Link #270 | ||||
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When people die ingame, they also die in rea life. Consequences to rea life. ALO: People die ingame. Who cares? It's just a game, nothing really happened and real life can go on. 0 Consequences to rea life. The point that i'm trying to make and that some people don't seem to get is that ALO is just a game. And i don't get how someone can take a game more serious than rescuing his wife. But in the end this discusion is pointless in the anyway because i don't really believe that for Kirito is wasting time because playing around is more important than saving Asuna. My problem is just that the author, director or whoever is resposible for this, makes it seem like Kirito prefers to play around instead on really trying to reascue her. So i will quote myself again. Quote:
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2012-11-13, 22:14 | Link #271 |
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It has NOTHING to do with the fact that it's "Just a game" and everything to do with the fact that Kirito isn't the kind of person who would betray his friends, to completely screw someone over after they've been nothing but friendly and selflessly willing to help you.
You seriously think that scene should've gone "Lyfa: Kirito, if you want to kill me and join the Salamanders, you can. " "Kirito: Okay! *Stab*"? |
2012-11-13, 22:33 | Link #272 |
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Agreed. I wanted to high five Kirito for that; I've always disliked the "It's just the internet, so it's okay to act without any sort of class or decency" mindset that so many people have. Good job, Kirito. Generation Z kids aren't so bad.
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2012-11-13, 22:48 | Link #273 | |
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Some of the people posting here, want Kirito to go out of character. That's not going to happen as we've had 19 episodes to establish the good guy that he is who also plays by the rules when possible.
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2012-11-14, 00:12 | Link #274 | ||
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Anyway, this debate has gone around in enough circles by now, I'm sure.
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2012-11-14, 00:18 | Link #275 |
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It's also worth noting that there is no penalty in real life either to backstabbing your friends. It's just that it makes it harder to make new or reliable friends in the future. It's exactly the same in a game world like ALO. Just because there is no in game bolt of lightning that hits you when you betray someone so doesn't that mean that it's always a good idea, even from a purely selfish perspective.
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2012-11-14, 02:57 | Link #276 |
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...i say if the whole Sugou scene at the hospital didnt happen at all or perhaps until after Kirito knows Asuna is being held in the game...it would be a lot more easier to direct these eps...
...besides that...i hope/looking forward to Kirito getting his SAO buddies or something...or recruiting more allies... ...i dont mind still shots as fight scenes...but i want to see a more people involved...after how many years watching something like Dead Fantasy...fight scenes will never be the same lol... ...of course i dont mind duels and what not...but...this is a mmo...i want to see a group effort... |
2012-11-14, 10:45 | Link #277 | |
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2012-11-14, 12:18 | Link #279 | ||
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There is another plain option: simply declining and keep going alone. It isn't like he would act like a douche, considering it is a matter that does not have any deep implication with him, and Suguha realized that the guy behind ALO Kirito has "special" reason to goes to the world tree, past the faction war, hence why she wouldn't mind being stabbed there. The other option would have been a compromise, with Kirito's assistance, like escorting Leefa to the possible ambush, then leaves. The simple fact Leefa helped him in the game as a guide doesn't mean he has any obligation to repay the favor (this does happen so much IRL and in MMO that it has no morality weight). Of course, anyone who followed the series thus far wouldn't be surprised to see him giving assistance to Leefa. Once again, the problem is how his behaviour and actions tend towards to be easely focusing on ALO conflicts and all, instead of his main priority, due to the overly "Leefa centred" direction of the arc. I wouldn't be surprised if Asuna is the main worry of Kazuto all the frigging time, and that's the natural case, but the -presentation- fails in that regard, which is the root of the problem. And the fact ALO conflict is not as important as Asuna's being trapped in there doesn't help in that odd direction. It really has nothing to do with "make friends, make an army to save Asuna", because such points are -not- hinted within the character perspectives. As a narrative perspective, it is a given, but that's that.
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