Because Janitor-san Is Not a Hero

[sasuke706]

Originally Posted by Yoburi

Just one more question does he have a clear goal in his life like in artifureta the goal was return to Japan or in Inuyasha that keeps traveling to defeat some villain? I hope he isn`t just traveling aimless because there is nothing worst that that in a novel.

While I disagree with your choice of series to reference for goals (you do realize those are both just excuses to aimlessly travel, right?), he hasn't had a goal other than find somewhere comfortable to live that isn't infested with heroes that might recognize him.
As of the latest arc, he's actually contemplating life in general and what he wants from it. Gets kinda philosophical.

Originally Posted by cabman11

So there's still hope of getting that sword back

The god being says right in the first chapter it's impossible, and when he finally gets near his sword it turns out to be impossible.
So no. Even if he kills the hero, it's likely going to just be destroyed.

The only reason it was able to be taken to begin with was because they were in the god realm place whatever where even spiritual things (the sword is an ability, not an actual pure physical object) are physical.
And odds are he's not going to get to go back there with the hero in tow to take it back. Or just plain at all.
Besides, Yukishiro's better than that shitty sword anyway.

[Okashira]

For readers thinking of trying this out, the start can be considered slow since the MC is evading people from the get go; but it gets better when his past life starts catching up with him regardless of what the Kurando wants; that takes a while but still happens within the first arc.

Originally Posted by sasuke706

Besides, Yukishiro's better than that shitty sword anyway.

If I understood correctly, didn't he "not lost much" anyway? His supposed cheat was going to be something like "using all elements", and while he lost it and can't use them; he has the proficiency of learning them all since he was compatible with that anyway (which is unusual); so he could technically "get there" with enough effort..... At least that's how I remember it? I'm probably wrong?.



...... Anyway; I just want Akarin to take a bite of that Kurando bowl, is that so difficult?

[sasuke706]

Originally Posted by Okashira

If I understood correctly, didn't he "not lost much" anyway? His supposed cheat was going to be something like "using all elements", and while he lost it and can't use them; he has the proficiency of learning them all since he was compatible with that anyway (which is unusual); so he could technically "get there" with enough effort..... At least that's how I remember it? I'm probably wrong?.

Spoiler for :

His original cheat seemed to be high compatibility with all elements and reduced mana cost for casting spells. Also something about being able to see and converse with elementals, which doesn't actually seem to be that important. As the hero seems to have a lot of mana in general too, it probably gives a good increase to mana while it's at it.

All heroes by default have compatibility with all elements, just to varying degrees with several being effectively useless. Normal people generally are only compatible with one or two.
So he could train them all up to a usable state with growth rate depending on his affinity with it, but he mostly only uses dark, ice, stone and earth.
He actively doesn't train the others that much, especially lightning since he's being overconscious of Yukishiro's grudge toward the element. Though he has been doing a little of it as of late.

The thing about Kurando is he never learned the 'proper' way to be a spell caster.
All the heroes believe that using up all your mana is a very bad thing (since this can be a cause of death), but what no one knows including Kurando himself is as he's from Earth his body doesn't require mana to sustain itself, and therefore he can efficiently increase his mana by just using all of it up, which is what he does. Granted using it all still knocks him out and makes his head hurt after.
The problem is you have cheat students like the hero who have a shitton of mana without even doing that, which hasn't been explained how in story as far as I know.
And even then that just puts Kurando on the very large side of having mana and isn't to the level of absurd.

His main abnormality is multicasting. A veteran hunter that specializes in magic can cast 3 spells at once (it doesn't clarify if basic or not if I recall, but it probably is using basic for reference), whereas in the latest chapters Kurando can casually (he does it for relaxing cooking) cast up to 30 while maintaining his barriers (which means if he removed his barriers, he could do more).
Which is amusing because he can multicast like a boss, but has trouble doing high-end spells. Him not being able to do them is generally why he's considered somewhat weak regardless (the narration often says *** has more firepower than Kurando).
Hell, so far, he's managed to do only one high-end dark spell, and two medium spells (dark and ice) as far as I can recall.
Otherwise he just spams elementary spells. He does still actively practice magic, which apparently still does show signs of improving.

So he didn't get a super hero ability, but he still got the hero blessing which is probably more important than the ability itself. Though both would be nice.

Akari, huh. Might be nice if she actually became relevant again.
She still pops up now and then in the After Chapters, but it's not like she ever does anything of note.
Maybe one day.

[jmcu17]

Story sounds depressing. Seems the only reason to read this is to see the heroes fail miersably at whatever task they're sent to this world to do and needs MC's help for whatever reason. Cause you just don't steal a man's sword like that. Why have they been summoned anyways?

[Yoburi]

Originally Posted by sasuke706

While I disagree with your choice of series to reference for goals (you do realize those are both just excuses to aimlessly travel, right?), he hasn't had a goal other than find somewhere comfortable to live that isn't infested with heroes that might recognize him.
As of the latest arc, he's actually contemplating life in general and what he wants from it. Gets kinda philosophical.

The god being says right in the first chapter it's impossible, and when he finally gets near his sword it turns out to be impossible.
So no. Even if he kills the hero, it's likely going to just be destroyed.

The only reason it was able to be taken to begin with was because they were in the god realm place whatever where even spiritual things (the sword is an ability, not an actual pure physical object) are physical.
And odds are he's not going to get to go back there with the hero in tow to take it back. Or just plain at all.
Besides, Yukishiro's better than that shitty sword anyway.

Thanks for the answers and yes i know Inushaya and Artifureta got shit reasons to amilessly travel thats why i pick them as references.

But still better than having no excuse at all finding a place that i belong looks to me what a 18 year old would say after being bully by these heroes not a mature man.

I think i pass this novel because the MC isn`t the adult i expect, he looks too imature to me a man doens`t need to find a comfortable place he can make one.

[sasuke706]

^I would actually call the protagonist the most mature protagonist of the series I read, but that could just be due to my tastes. That and whenever I find another series with an adult protagonist, they act like they're 14 anyway.
And you say it sounds like a childish problem, but this story takes it in a more realistic direction. He's a contractor that moved from temporary job to temporary job in Japan, and then gets summoned to a world he knows jack shit about and none of his skills or education are enough to really mean anything.
So that raises the question of then what should he do? Currently he's living fine as a hunter, but he doesn't have anywhere he can consider home anymore which does bother him to certain extents.
You could even say that the ones trying to return are the immature ones since they refuse to accept the reality of the situation they're in and cling to an unrealistic hope.
And it's not like he can just make somewhere he's comfortable. If he stays in the kingdom the heroes were summoned in, he'd have to live in hiding to be afraid of found out he's alive and killed due to being a political inconvenience.
In other lands, there's basic different cultures and religions that don't set well with him. Like in a couple countries, simply possessing even illustrations of women not fully clothed are grounds for imprisonment. For the record, Kurando likes drawing women often, and not all of them are clothed, partially or otherwise. So that rule's kind of a problem.

Curious though, just what is the kind of adult that you 'expect' anyway?
Someone who cuts downs his own trees and builds their own log cabin preaching that they're a free man?
Are you sure you're not just making light of how difficult a situation like this can be?
Anyway, you should really judge a story after reading it, not before.

Originally Posted by jmcu17

Story sounds depressing. Seems the only reason to read this is to see the heroes fail miersably at whatever task they're sent to this world to do and needs MC's help for whatever reason. Cause you just don't steal a man's sword like that. Why have they been summoned anyways?

They got summoned because a spoiled loli genius princess wanted to test her summoning magic. It's actually a controversial political topic in-story.
It's literally the only reason. She was also part of the thief hero's party for a while.
There's no world ending threat, no declining population, just a normal? fantasy world that really didn't need any heroes but got some anyway.

And again the story has some depressing elements to it, it has not depressing elements as well.
It's just depression tends to stick out more to people because finding flaws is easier than finding virtues.
And the title is about the protagonist not being a hero. He doesn't want to help his 'fellow' heroes and fun things might happen if he does, like say...

Spoiler for Helping a hero:

When a hero student forcefully recruits his help to have Yukishiro fight the skeleton in the volume 4 illustration I posted, he actually colludes with the skeleton (who was his neighbor at the time and a very nice and sociable woman) to kill the hero boy mid-battle.
Which he does with poison. In front of everyone. And no one has a clue it was him.
That was a satisfying end for a complete asshole.

[Yoburi]

Originally Posted by sasuke706

Curious though, just what is the kind of adult that you 'expect' anyway?
Someone who cuts downs his own trees and builds their own log cabin preaching that they're a free man?
Are you sure you're not just making light of how difficult a situation like this can be?
Anyway, you should really judge a story after reading it, not before.

Well i would like a adult that trys to build a comfortable place for himself in this shitty situaction and won`t take shit from these thief brats and get even.

Now i not saying that he should be a fucking mounatin man but why doesn`t he start his new life getting a job in another country so he can not only learn about this world but also be part of it, well didn`t he got cheat skill he could try to get a big position later on.

Sure there are some rules so he have to be careful at first with his draws but is this really a impossible reason for him not to live in this country and if he becames say a duke who would cause problems for him over these matters.

What i saying i want a ambition person or a hard working person that refuses to be a fool letting other people rob him and get away, hinding in the woods because he doesn`t undestand this new world only makes his problem became worst.

Now i get he is in difficult situation but how the people that want to kill him for shitty reason, the loli that fucks with everybody with summons and shitty heroes will pay for there actions to make us readers satisfied if he just stay hunting. I don`t have a M personality lol.

[jmcu17]

Yeah, I prefer it if the MC actually took some actions to make the people who hurt him pay for their actions. Like, so what if that sword will never return to him? The hero stabbed MC in the back and stole it. The sword essentially betrayed its rightful master for another. And MC choose to balance out these treacheries with inaction, allowing the culprit of a great crime to live a wonderful life as a hero, unpunished. Look, at this point, who cares if MC will have the sword back or not. Kill the hero and let the sword be destroyed, and then let the Goddess worry about whether it was right or wrong.

But instead, he seems to be just running away from his troubles and pretend that he didn't just hit the jackpot with all those cheats he have. He has all the power to make his way in the world, and instead, he sounds like he's well on his way to becoming the world's most powerful hermit.

So either he has a severe case of depression or he's timid as heck. Neither traits are what I want to see in a MC because their actions are often annoying, if not utterly frustrating.

[Yoburi]

Ah don`t even need to kill that trash just cut his dominant hand so he can`t use that sword anymore and make sure he won`t live a perfect life and i could call this even.

But guess from what jimcu17 is saying the dude can even became a king with his skills so why being so afraid and timid the dude went from janitor to homeless here.

[obnuchious]

who's the girl pointing her sword at MC? .. and what's the dialogues on that image?

[Ruki0089]

Usual question~~~

[sasuke706]

Originally Posted by jmcu17

Yeah, I prefer it if the MC actually took some actions to make the people who hurt him pay for their actions. Like, so what if that sword will never return to him? The hero stabbed MC in the back and stole it. The sword essentially betrayed its rightful master for another. And MC choose to balance out these treacheries with inaction, allowing the culprit of a great crime to live a wonderful life as a hero, unpunished. Look, at this point, who cares if MC will have the sword back or not. Kill the hero and let the sword be destroyed, and then let the Goddess worry about whether it was right or wrong.

But instead, he seems to be just running away from his troubles and pretend that he didn't just hit the jackpot with all those cheats he have. He has all the power to make his way in the world, and instead, he sounds like he's well on his way to becoming the world's most powerful hermit.

So either he has a severe case of depression or he's timid as heck. Neither traits are what I want to see in a MC because their actions are often annoying, if not utterly frustrating.

Spoiler for Spoiler because wall of text:

It's not like he hasn't taken action, it's taking too much action is a bad thing.
From the MC's point of view, Hayato is not only way stronger than him, he has way stronger political connections than some nobody.
The MC's main goal is unsurprisingly to not be dead. So of course he doesn't directly pick a fight with him, but it's not like he's forgiven the guy either.
And if Kurando were to oppose the hero, who has two years of credibility of being a hero when the MC has no credibility at all, would be to announce that everyone's favorite tool (hero) has two abilities simply because he stole another person's. This also raises the question of has his two years of saving lives overwritten his crime of stealing? Most people would say yes, not only morally but because Hayato is a useful tool for dealing with problems.
If he were to take the political route, this would likely screw over his own life, which is getting his priorities backward. Because you have to provide proof he took it which means making himself public to everyone, which means making a lot more enemies than he probably would allies. Not to mention to any new allies he'd just be a disposable tool to deal with Hayato.
It's mentioned in story that some political powers would probably love to see the hero fall and would love an excuse to make it happen, but that doesn't mean Kurando would get a good end out of it either.
You say kill the hero, but the MC doesn't have any methods to do this. He's strong for a hunter but too weak to fight Hayato. The MC also isn't the type to drag random people he doesn't know into fights either, nor would he want to drag people he knows into shit that isn't their problem.
Also, the sword didn't choose anything—the personality it had during the explanation where Kurando was comparing it to a yandere is just that, Kurando's imagination. It says right in the narrative that the sword isn't alive nor does it have a personality.
You're acting like there's some great option he has to get revenge when there simply isn't. It also raises the question of then is revenge even worth it, which is the theme to arc 2 and 3. Turns out it isn't.

And he is making his way in the world with the power he has. The only use his power has is as a hunter. And believe it or not, being a really good hunter isn't going to suddenly get him a high political standpoint, especially because even if he goes out, Hayato's standing among Hunters will always be higher anyway.
Hell, the only way another hero had to increase his influence was to marry a countess(?) or something, which is on top of the default hero influence.
The only real political ally Kurando has is a couple heroes and the head a fairly influential religious group, which have all promised to essentially screw over Hayato if he breaks his promise of not staying in jail, which he did. Though this has yet to show results. So it's not Hayato hasn't gotten rewarded, it's simply he hasn't gotten rewarded yet.

You want the MC to tackle his problems head on, but how? This novel takes it in a realistic direction.
He can't go around punching trees to get super strong. Even if he could get strong, getting strong isn't going to just magically make him a king.
The "cheats" he has are basically just something to give him as slight edge compared to others — there are plenty of natives in story clearly stronger than Kurando in a fight. The only Jackpot he has is Yukishiro, who still probably isn't stronger than Hayato.
Him taking the only logical option makes him timid? All getting revenge or sticking around in the kingdom that summoned the heroes would do is cause more problems and solve none of them.
While I would have to consider the MC depressed at times, I can hardly call him timid.

The novel not being your standard ORE TUEEE, revenge story or King's Path novel honestly shouldn't be counted as being negative points.

Originally Posted by obnuchious

who's the girl pointing her sword at MC? .. and what's the dialogues on that image?

She has stupidly long name, but she's a bird beastman that goes by Famf.

Spoiler for :

It's her challenging Kurando to a duel because she believes he's the cause that got her entire family killed in the previous arc. While he was related, it was their own fault, by the way.
Kurando accepts the duel and beats her ass. He tries to kill her in the duel, but gets interrupted by her new guardians.
Kurando is the type to view people that try to kill him as objects. So even if they're a little girl, he'll try to kill them if he has the chance.
Another character describes Kurando as a mirror. If you be nice to him he'll be nice in return; if you aren't nice he'll be not nice in return.

And Ruki, I already answered the questions.

[Namorax]

I wonder if the "sword" is a (phallic) symbol for something else?

And on another note: why do some people always proclaim a protagonist "a pussy" if he doesn't ravish everything female that didn't hide itself on the count of three...

[Stinkt]

Reading sasuke706 spoilers and jmcu17 complains, it seems that he wants the possible final arc of the novel in the first 10chs.


edit: ^^
Its more that some people (like me) prefer to read about a riajuu MC. Maybe trauma from all those beta shonen that had 10 girls following him and nothing ever happened.

[XeroFyction]

Questions

Spoiler for story questions:

How did Kurando get in jail? How long did he stay in jail? Does it have anything to do with setting up the hunters to die in the first arc?

This is a web novel written from a 40 year old perspective through chapter 20 at least.

[reinastar]

Are there any yandere in the novel Onii-Sama and Onee-Sama~

[sasuke706]

^Not really. Well, in the hero's party there kind of is. None with the actual protagonist though.
Unless the protagonist himself eventually turns out to be yandere. That would be an unsurprising twist.

Originally Posted by XeroFyction

Spoiler for story questions:

How did Kurando get in jail? How long did he stay in jail? Does it have anything to do with setting up the hunters to die in the first arc?

Spoiler for :

If you're talking about the spoilers I made, it was the hero—Hayato, the guy who stole his shit—who went to prison.
Part of their agreement in the duel was the two girls who attempted to murder Kurando would have to go to jail for it. Except Mr. Generic Hero decided to join them because he didn't want them to suffer alone.
Except he received better treatment for being a hero, and apparently could freely get out whenever he wanted (AKA not jail). He did go in jail of his own volition without expecting better treatment, but he gets convinced by someone to leave jail and go save people again before long. This of course extends to his other party members that got jailed.
Of course this goes against his deal with the protagonist (and some others) since he changed his mind on midway through carrying it out.

Kurando does actually get taken into custody in the latest arc, but gets out after a few days.
He was only taken into custody under suspicious of being involved with terrorists, which of course he wasn't and had people with proof who could vouch for him, so it was just a mildly unpleasant stay for a few days.
Hero didn't have anything to do with it either.

Also, Kurando is like 30.

[reinastar]

How about the cat what its connection to the mc Sasuke Onee-Sama ^_^~

[sasuke706]

Yukishiro is a magic beast (monster?) that Kurando raised.
She currently serves as his partner and occasionally wilderness hunting mentor because Kurando started off completely shit at the whole hunting thing.
You could say she's the only consistent heroine...pet? Sometimes it feels more like Kurando is the pet, though.

For the record, she's not a love interest, she can't turn human, none of that crap.
Just his hunting companion. The protagonist isn't into bestiality...probably.
At least so far he's only shown interest in humanoid women.

[wuhugm]

^That's even more similar to Kuroneko dude!