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So they're translating the rest of the Yukari Corner snips. And this particular line came up from the 2nd seminar:
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2013-03-30, 07:40 | Link #5862 | ||
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Besides: - "a cut above" isn't the same as "invincible". Sometimes teams that, on paper, should absolutely win, lose. - is KMM really worse than the other tankery teams? Quote:
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2013-03-30, 07:47 | Link #5863 |
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Besides, two losses are hardly grounds for considering closing down the school, especially when said losses occurred at the Finals. Said considerations only come if KMM has been consistently performing poorly with every match with nothing to show for it. While we, as the viewers, may see their weaknesses in the last two episodes and use it as evidence of their quality, it's still a fact that KMM steamrolled through their opposition in the previous matches and managed to make it to the finals, which 14 out of the 16 Senshado schools in the tournament failed to do.
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2013-03-30, 07:59 | Link #5864 | |
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No schools are being shut down, especially Black Forest. Endless "too early for a nickname" Soul
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2013-03-30, 09:19 | Link #5865 | |||||||
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The way some of you paint poor Oarai, winning the contest won't save them for more than one year. Quote:
Worse, it would seem that they tried to cover up their deficiencies by sending up bigger and bigger budget requests (ending with our Maus) to buy more equipment to so overheavily power the opponent they can't lose, until for 2 straight years even this didn't save them. Which their friends in government apparently approved. Money that could, among other uses, have gone to other Tankery electives and thus increase their competitiveness and lead to an increase in the overall quality of High School Tankery in Japan. Not achieving their raison d' etre. Budget requests that are arguably fraudulent and at the very least wasteful. They'll have to have some very big redeeming advantages before I'll take them off #1 on the close-down list. Quote:
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Pravda actually, depending on how you interpret the evidence, is quite a precise team by day or when they remember to preserve their night vision. Two precise HE blasts in the perfect spots to blast a PzIII off the road last year along with a hit on the Tiger (that's three attacks getting desired effects in a row, a rarity in Senshado). You might also notice that they managed to shoot the 75mm off the M3 (effectively a F-kill), a track off the StuG (a M-kill PLUS a F-kill along all but a few degrees on either side) and jammed the turret traverse of the PzIV (this would end any attempt to aim, thus also a F-kill). Basically, while Oarai didn't lose tanks, their firepower was neutralized, which maximized the chances Katyusha can get all Oarai to surrender in a united dogeza (it'll be less impressive if half the vehicles were towed off the scene with their crews because they were white flagged). Their gunnery fell off in the 2nd half, most likely because the fools wiped their night vision out with their bonfires - when you can't see well, you can't aim (from the way the MG fire was going uncorrected, one cannot help but suspect many of them were barely seeing at all) ... it didn't help that Anzu's team was a maneuvering genius that day. And they have Nonna, of course. Plus at the very least, the IS-2 (rated speed 37km/h) was actually closing the range slowly with the Type 89 (24km/h) on the snow, which was a better showing from the driver than KMM's Tiger II (40km/h) and Panthers (46km/h) who were on paved roads (which should have reduced Shinobu's driving skill advantage to the bare minimum in favor of theoretical speed) yet still let the Type 89 dance all over them. Despite their failure in discipline to get off the bonfires in good time (which the commander or vice commander should have corrected), they are too good a team for Katyusha to waste with her dogeza plan. You can actually guess how they won last year. (When one thinks they are going to go up against Kuromorimine without the benefit of Miho's creativity and Oarai's fleet of super-drivers, it makes sense that they practised shooting off armament to deal with BF's more heavily armored vehicles. Who is compensating for who, really?) Saunders' average gunners didn't manage much, but at least they had Naomi and their tankers didn't panick like idiots when the enemy passed through them. Alice is just a weak link. If they had KMM's equipment, they could stuff Naomi into the King Tiger or Jadgtiger and let her win the battle for them. St. Glorianna's gunnery is well an inch lower than KMM (because Erika's Tiger II could actually aim and all the others basically can't). No elite gunner revealed. Still, at least they seem to retain their composure better. KMM v SG must have been a yawner for the crowd. Neither of them are too imaginative and both sides' gunnery are abominable. I suspect KMM eventually won because of Erika's tank. Heck, if you believe the manga, even Anchovy's tank was a pretty good shot! So, where do we put KMM in terms of quality? Still, you could be right. I am thinking that it'll be reasonable that these losses might just finally penetrate KMM's wall of connections. But maybe you are right and they could protect KMM for one more round. |
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2013-03-30, 10:24 | Link #5867 |
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Regarding the matter about KMM. I think that they won't get the ax despite the arguable poor showing. On paper, as many have said, they did great. They still managed to reach the finals even if it can be argued that their equipment did the work for them. There are probably many many more teams that will go to the chopping block before KMM gets even near it. I think the most ark can hope for regarding any sort of misfortune against KMM is budget cuts. KMM clearly has too much surplus budget considering they managed to field a Mauss of all things.
Anyway, I think its very hard to judge which of the opposing teams Oorai faced was better - qualitatively speaking. As they go up in the tournament brackets its true that Oorai's quantitative disparity grows ever larger, with our heroes being the perpetual underdog. But, at the same time, I believe that as each match wore on, Oorai also keeps getting stronger not just with the additional tanks but Oorai's crews getting qualitatively better. To use an analogy, if Oorai started with 50% crews at the St. Glorianna practice match, at the end of the tournament, they got enough experience to be able to drive their tanks with 100% crew plus a couple of perks. Ummm... since you guys were talking about the schools. There is something that has been bothering me especially after I read the "little army" manga. What exactly is the relative age of Maho and Miho compared to each other? Normally, I would think that this is a no brainer. Since Miho is a second year high school student, Maho being the elder sister and being able to participate in the same tournament should logically mean that Maho is a third year high school student. But, the little army continuity occurred while Miho is ten years old which should logically place her at 4th or 5th grade in elementary school. Maho, on the other hand, is a bit difficult to place, but judging from this particular comment. "Over the summer,one of our students from last year received an amazing award. Maho Nishizumi-san, a graduate of our school, was chosen as the MVP of a panzerkraft tournament." From this comment, I could extrapolate that when Miho is a 5th grader, Maho is already a first year in Junior high. This theory is further strengthened by Maho being seen to be leaving on a ship when her school break is over. OVA 3 did beat as at the head about the location of elementary schooling (land) and secondary education schooling( sea). Anyway, if the above premise is "canon." Then, right now, if Miho is a second year high school student. Maho should be a first year college student. But, this would mean that the senshado tournament is not restricted to high school level. How does that work, exactly? Does that mean that the Academy warships also has a college education level beside high school? I do admit that it is possible especially since they have college courses available like Agriculture, Naval, Meteorology, etc. But, this leaves more question like where are the college students in Oorai? Anzu is a third year high school student, right? And if the above premise is false and there is no college level for Oorai. Can graduated students still join or play for the senshado team?
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2013-03-30, 10:31 | Link #5869 |
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The age gap between the sisters seems to be one of those things that you're not suppose to put much thought into. The important thing really is that Maho is the older sister, and Miho the younger one, and that's it.
That said, a two-year gap seems more likely (Little Army gives evidence to this as well), especially when compared to the gap between the Miyanaga sisters in Saki... But if this is true then what the heck is Maho still doing in Black Forest? Or is this again connected to how the Japanese educational system keeps with the 6 (grade school)- 3 (middle school) - 3 (high school) format...
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2013-03-30, 10:40 | Link #5870 | ||
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2013-03-30, 10:47 | Link #5872 |
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In Saunders case, it seems that it's just the High School segment of a bigger school system, I think (like how De Lasalle has an actual high school in Greenhills here despite being a university everywhere else). For Black Forest, and Maho's puzzling situation, we might have to wait for some of the other Blu-Ray extras to answer that.
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2013-03-30, 10:50 | Link #5873 |
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I don't know that I'd make too much of an instance of a KMM quoting a translation rather than the original German. (Though i don't remember the particular incident.)
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2013-03-30, 10:54 | Link #5874 | |
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It seems that for every debated or controversial aspect of GuP if you try and draw logical conclusions from what's presented on screen as some kind of 'fact' you'll have to cherry pick some facts over others to even approach any kind of coherent picture. Worse, most of the time just about any set of facts you pick (the distance between tanks in the river?) will contradict what the story is very clearly trying to tell you. This is not unique to GuP (most fictions will creak at the seams) but because it's mashes up such diametrically opposed elements (realistic WWII tank action with heart-full slice of life Japanese girls high school melo/micro-drama), the seams are large enough to drive a Maus through. From the dialog, the facial expressions, the cinematography, and the sequence and timing of events, it seems very clear to me that the creators of GuP are trying to tell us: The "school being disbanded" is actually a "your club is being shut down" level problem. It's bizarrely expressed in the GuP-verse thanks to a combination of "Absurdly powerful student council" and the Macross-city ship envy of the creators. The stated threat "city closure" should dramatically have involved all students as well as the gov and populace being involved not just in trying to find a solution, but at least cheering on the Ooarai Tankey team to "save our town!" Instead everything from the implausible secrecy involved to the way the town spectators are given equal screen time (less maybe?) to the vanquished team spectators, frames the contest emotionally as a drama about the sport and the school team's comeback story. When Miho finally feels the weight of responsibility - it's to her teammates, not the town. When the audience is first inducted into a sense of dread about the yet-to-be-revealed-secret, it's through the school antics remembrances of the student council. Facts be dammed, they'll say one thing, but the show wants you to care in a very specific way. It's no different really than the carbon armor 'fact' that justifies the entire show, not really accounting for the fact that the girls spend way too much time unbuttoned to be actually "safe". The stated facts of the show say one thing, just enough to lull you into suspending disbelief about the plausible safety of Tankery as a sport. However what the program really shows you is "actually Tankery is completely safe (aside from drowning)." Ultimately this is a question of how you choose to approach any story - when faced with a seam in the cloth of the "fabrication" (see what I did there?), what do you do? - Do you reject the thing whole cloth? (the author completely failed to generate any suspension of disbelief) - Rationalize the story from the details that you like? (you find the artifacts of the story are more compelling than the plot) - Stick with the story and ignore the cracks? (successful suspension of disbelief)
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2013-03-30, 11:24 | Link #5876 | ||
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Unless, KMM is only for the high school which meant there is only a fourth year in high school. And, the series hasn't told us what junior high Maho and Miho attended. I suppose Maho being a fourth year high school student does solve all the problem. Quote:
Here is Momo's quote on the subject: "The World Senshado Competition is scheduled to be held in Japan in a few years." The keyword here is a few years. That meant this would most likely happen in Miho and co's college years. I thought it would be nice if Oorai actually has a college division so that our gang would not be separated. On the other hand, mixing schools might be a nice thing as well. Though, I do wonder how will they select the representative teams here.
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2013-03-30, 12:13 | Link #5878 |
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We now interrupt your regularly-scheduled bantering for Girls und... Paella?
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