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The Small One · 2016-02-11, 00:33

The only drop of bitterness in this revelation is, that it kind of justifies Jack's actions.
Before this Jack was brutal and stupid (looking for someone who isn't there). But know, knowing that the Samurai really was there, it seems to have been the clever decision to try investigating further and to resort to more and more brutal means to get to his goal.
Though it greatly depends on his actual knowledge of how sure he could have been about the whereabouts.

I hope in the next chapters we finally get to know what's so important about those samurais.

J4n1 · 2016-02-11, 03:34

Unless the ninja is revealed to be a monster that destroys countries for fun and profit, then no, Jacks actions were not justified. They might be, to some degree, appropriate to the task at hand, and not completely stupid, but justified, no.

Trying to claim Jacks actions as justified is just victim blaiming, if i'm hiding someone from a mass murderer, the mass murderer is not justified to murder and/or torture me.

game2007 · 2016-02-11, 05:12

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Originally Posted by Gilly

Well. Way to kill the tension. Turns out Straw Hats' worries were for naught.

But now I really want to know what makes Raizou so important that the Dukes are willing to risk everything for his sake. Want to know what would make a good twist, in my opinion? If Raizou turned out to have a DF with the power to charm, control or otherwise make people loyal to him, and he used the Minks as a shield.

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Originally Posted by marvelB

So.... basically, Hancock's power minus the petrification?

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Hore_Hore_no_Mi

P_Dezz · 2016-02-11, 09:04

That was a great ending to the chapter. I really thought Raizou was going to appear on the flashback, with him asking for assistance of some kind and heading out with Sanji. He must be extremely important, for the minks to guard him with their life and for Jack to go so far the way he did.

Somnus · 2016-02-11, 10:11

Count me among those who were caught surprised (and extremely happy about it) at the end of the chapter. Well done, Oda. These breaks are killing me though, I'm loving the Mink arc too much.

khoa1708 · 2016-02-11, 10:32

remember when shanks came on whitebeard's ship?
I hope luffy makes an entrance like that when he goes to see big mom

Kanon · 2016-02-11, 11:44

Wow, I did not see that twist coming. It makes the Minks all the more worthy of respect and admiration.

itachi-san314 · 2016-02-11, 12:54

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Originally Posted by khoa1708

remember when shanks came on whitebeard's ship?
I hope luffy makes an entrance like that when he goes to see big mom

Even though WB was above Shanks in reputation, they still had the same title essentially. Big Mom is not going to treat Luffy similarly to that level of respect at all. To her, he's just an arrogant immature upstart who already insulted her greatly. It's going to take quite a bit of coaxing or a turn in the story for her not to kill him.

necrolyte · 2016-02-11, 13:02

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Originally Posted by khoa1708

remember when shanks came on whitebeard's ship?
I hope luffy makes an entrance like that when he goes to see big mom

May god hear you.. I mean Oda, my mistake

Btw am I the only one who thought that this guy Raizou may be some prince or even a king when Kinemon said that he is retainer of the family of this guy ?

Rainbowman · 2016-02-11, 16:45

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Originally Posted by J4n1

Yeah, i was fearing for extended drama about something Samurais had no power over, but instead i got a heartwarming tale of loyalty and friendship.

Now we can skip lot of pointless drama and move on to either rescuing Sanji or working on the ninja subplot.

Whichever comes first. Apparently our samurai friends were the only exception from the Wano country that can be trusted by the minks.

J4n1 · 2016-02-11, 16:54

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Originally Posted by necrolyte

May god hear you.. I mean Oda, my mistake

Yeah, probably better ask Oda.
Because as awesome Usopp is, i think he has little editorial input on the story.

Rainbowman · 2016-02-12, 16:11

Here's a question I realized into thinking: If Raizou really is on Zou, what makes him important that Jack wanted him so badly? 🤔

PixelCreek · 2016-02-12, 17:25

^ we've been asking that in general about all the samurai since Punk Hazard. An ever elusive mystery so far.

J4n1 · 2016-02-12, 18:17

He knows the eleven secret herbs and spices.

grey_1960 · 2016-02-14, 13:01

Chapter 816
Dang Kaidou has some good intel. I thought Jack was just being ruthless for no reason but he was right. So I guess the torture was not for nothing and does not seem so barbaric after all. The Mink tribe just put on a good show and resisted torture, but I wonder if it was convincing enough for Jack? The Mink tribe got very luck that Luffy decided to cause trouble in Dressrosa. It pulled Jack's attention from Mink's and to Daflamingo and the SAD operation. I wonder if Jack would have slaughtered the whole tribe if the whole Dressrosa arch didn't happen? Opinion wise I think yes. Now I wonder if Jack is a sadistic person or just takes his role and job extreme like Akainu?

2016-02-11, 10:11	Link #25
Somnus Eh? Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Canada	Count me among those who were caught surprised (and extremely happy about it) at the end of the chapter. Well done, Oda. These breaks are killing me though, I'm loving the Mink arc too much. __________________

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khoa1708 www.kh0a.net Join Date: May 2004	remember when shanks came on whitebeard's ship? I hope luffy makes an entrance like that when he goes to see big mom __________________

2016-02-11, 11:44	Link #27
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	Wow, I did not see that twist coming. It makes the Minks all the more worthy of respect and admiration. __________________

2016-02-11, 00:33	Link #21
The Small One Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Germany	The only drop of bitterness in this revelation is, that it kind of justifies Jack's actions. Before this Jack was brutal and stupid (looking for someone who isn't there). But know, knowing that the Samurai really was there, it seems to have been the clever decision to try investigating further and to resort to more and more brutal means to get to his goal. Though it greatly depends on his actual knowledge of how sure he could have been about the whereabouts. I hope in the next chapters we finally get to know what's so important about those samurais.

2016-02-11, 03:34	Link #22
J4n1 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013	Unless the ninja is revealed to be a monster that destroys countries for fun and profit, then no, Jacks actions were not justified. They might be, to some degree, appropriate to the task at hand, and not completely stupid, but justified, no. Trying to claim Jacks actions as justified is just victim blaiming, if i'm hiding someone from a mass murderer, the mass murderer is not justified to murder and/or torture me.

2016-02-11, 09:04	Link #24
P_Dezz Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014	That was a great ending to the chapter. I really thought Raizou was going to appear on the flashback, with him asking for assistance of some kind and heading out with Sanji. He must be extremely important, for the minks to guard him with their life and for Jack to go so far the way he did.

2016-02-12, 16:11	Link #32
Rainbowman Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: 1431 Highland Drive	Here's a question I realized into thinking: If Raizou really is on Zou, what makes him important that Jack wanted him so badly? 🤔

2016-02-12, 17:25	Link #33
PixelCreek I voted Bayonetta Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Canada	^ we've been asking that in general about all the samurai since Punk Hazard. An ever elusive mystery so far.

2016-02-12, 18:17	Link #34
J4n1 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013	He knows the eleven secret herbs and spices.

2016-02-14, 13:01	Link #35
grey_1960 Annie Leonhart Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Indiana	Chapter 816 Dang Kaidou has some good intel. I thought Jack was just being ruthless for no reason but he was right. So I guess the torture was not for nothing and does not seem so barbaric after all. The Mink tribe just put on a good show and resisted torture, but I wonder if it was convincing enough for Jack? The Mink tribe got very luck that Luffy decided to cause trouble in Dressrosa. It pulled Jack's attention from Mink's and to Daflamingo and the SAD operation. I wonder if Jack would have slaughtered the whole tribe if the whole Dressrosa arch didn't happen? Opinion wise I think yes. Now I wonder if Jack is a sadistic person or just takes his role and job extreme like Akainu?