2009-05-15, 18:51 | Link #19221 |
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Yes yes, I understand Kallen has been getting all the supplementary material, I just don't get why all the Kallen love seems to be exclusive to this forum only. Well, I guess I can't really say too much since I don't really visit any other CG forums and I only have what you guys say to go on. But whatever, it's not that big a deal. I'm not compaining (well, more like I can't complain )
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2009-05-15, 19:01 | Link #19224 | |
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2009-05-15, 19:11 | Link #19226 |
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R2 was certainly a mess, everyone knows that, I can understand very well many of the criticisms that have been born out of this fact, sharing several of them myself, but even so...some reactions were still overkill in my humble opinion and can't just be attributed to the quality of the show itself. Partially, yes, but not fully.
I never got the impression that Kallen was being disloyal or worse during the final arc, even before a single post-season material had been revealed. I thought her actions made enough sense even as initially presented, given her emotional distress, and the whole point was the inherent tragedy of it all. If anything, she was the one Black Knight who was the most loyal to Lelouch, out of all of them, and she only turned against him because he pushed her away intentionally in Turn 22 and put on the mask of the Evil Emperor. I don't think Lelouch himself would have considered Kallen to be "disloyal" during ZR so I never got why the fanbase would reach that conclusion so easily, other than just as a knee-jerk reaction. That's not to say that people can't criticize or dislike Kallen, for good reasons. I'm on pretty good terms with some individuals who never liked the character, but they don't bash her for how the final arc played out either. I do think that some of the Kallen / Kalulu fans are too aggressive, way too much for my own tastes in fact, which is why I try to keep my distance despite sympathizing with them in some respects...but in some ways it's a backlash against the opposite trend. Many people started treating Kallen like crap just because "she didn't stay at Lelouch's side" (which is missing the point IMHO) even while they elevated Suzaku to the heavens of absolute purity. For the record, I never bashed Suzaku. I found his character to be annoying at times but I understood his point of view and didn't hate him for his actions...yet he wasn't cleaned of all sins when he joined Lelouch. Much of the same goes for Kallen in R2, the other way around. EDIT: @Frostfire: LOL at that LJ link. Last edited by Xander; 2009-05-15 at 19:21. |
2009-05-15, 19:35 | Link #19229 | |
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Very nice post Xander. It makes a lot sense and you seem like a very reasonable guy. Kudos to you.
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2009-05-15, 20:19 | Link #19230 | |
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Now is that a good thing? I don't know, perhaps not, but as a really dedicated fan I'm all for it. It paves the way for serious and intelligent discussions where those engaged in debate won't have to spend most of their time trying to get the opposition to understand basic and fundamental aspects of the show and its characters. At the end of the day, if I had a serious question about something in Code Geass or if I was looking for a serious discussion about the show I would honestly never even dream of turning to another forum. Note that I'm not in any way trying to say that dedicated hardcore fans of the series are bound to like Kallen, that would be a seriously deluded statement. I do however (lol, now is when I'll finally get to the point) think that a character like Kallen won't rally up a crapload of fans among the casual viewers. Sure, people might like her due to the fact she's "hot" with that smoking body of hers and it's always cool to pilot a wicked KMF, but I'm talking about fans that love her character for who she is as a person. A lot of the "casual fans" over at that Swedish community I was talking about were upset when Kallen fought "against Lelouch" at the end of R2 which is, in my opinion, pretty much like saying "I didn't quite understand Lelouch's endgame or what Kallen's character was all about". I, as a Kallen fan, would have been deeply disappointed to see Kallen fight for Lelouch in the end after what he went through in order to keep her from following him to hell.
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2009-05-15, 21:13 | Link #19231 | |
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And you can BET ON IT that i get the HSM reference... But it's not like it's something to brag about... Really. About the Kallen haven, well, i found AS looking for Kallen pics and other stuff, then i started to stalk the board for a while and finally made my account, so Kallen is the one who brought me here and her fans is the reason for my stay, hehe. But it's not like i was searching for Xanadu for Kallen fans, since Kallen get a lot of love in brazilian boards(almost on the same grounds as CC. But i think Shirley is the most popular girl here. Everyone seems to love her, hehe.) It's more because i found the people here very interesting and that totally hooked me. yvj: epik. i like to think i am an intellectual kalulu, hehe |
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2009-05-15, 21:27 | Link #19232 | |
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2009-05-15, 22:21 | Link #19234 |
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Once again, very good in depth analysis Meatrose. Very comendable.
Also, that's a very interesting point you and Kid Ying brought up about Shirley. True, she does some to be the most liked around here (I don't think I can name anyone on this forum who hates or even dislikes) but I'm not sure she's the most popular. Of course it does depend on how you define popular. She certainly hasn't been discussed nearly as much as Kallen. Perhaps that's because she's not as complex a character (well, that and the tremendous Kallen love) But at any rate, while almost everyone here may like her, that doesn't mean that she's everyone absolute favorite and it doesn't mean they want to discuss her (I mean, no ones posted on the Shirley thread in over a day ) So, I'd say Shirley is definitely more liked among the forum, I'd say she's still not as popular as Kallen in terms of discussion and acknowledgement. Well, Knight of Shirley or not, I really shouldn't take this thread off topic. |
2009-05-15, 23:45 | Link #19235 |
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Actually, i think Shirley really is the most popular girl here in where i live. If you ask "Which girl is the best?" It's really common to hear "Shirley".
Here in Asuki she's more like that kind of guy that it's everyone's friend and everyone seems to like him, but it's never the leader, hehe. Besides, if you don't listen to Mao(i love Mao, but he was a crazy sonovabitch. How can someone take him seriously?), you don't have a reason to dislike Shirley. She's just a normal girl that didn't make anything wrong in the whole series with a terrible luck. And... Kallen rocks. I never get out of the topic. |
2009-05-16, 00:03 | Link #19238 |
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Oh right, I keep forgetting that you're from Brazil. Of course we have people from all over the world here so...that is pretty cool actually. Code Geass fans from around the world united under one roof, for the sole purpose of discussing the f*ck out of Kallen (kidding)
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2009-05-16, 07:09 | Link #19239 |
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Yea, since we are on the global matter, in Greece, boys adore Kallen {in the greek animanga forum, half of boys got Kallen sigs and Lelouch ones when it comes to Geass 8D} and then, probably goes C.C <--this goes for girls.
Of course i am an exception cause..i am awesome like that. 8) No, honest, i think it has to do with the rebellious personality but at the same time a vulnerable in love chara. Yep, attracts a lot of fans. 8D //and GOD, Guren. <3 |
2009-05-16, 17:16 | Link #19240 |
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I have an question. I don't think this has been asked before.
Is it possible that the BKs could think that Kallen is under Lelouch's geass for Zero after the series. They did suspect her during turn 19. Looking at the ending, when Kallen stated "That is Zero". Shouldn't Toudou for example believe she could be under geass. Since she should know that since Lelouch was Zero. In no way that the Zero that showed up could be well Zero since Lelouch was Zero. Even though I don't think so. Just wondering if its possible. I just thought about something about Lelouch/Kallen taking the spoilers and additional info together. Can't believe I never thought about this before(Someone else probably did already though). I wonder should I post it here or wait till one day if the RT opens up again?
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