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oh i didnt remember that. i guess that makes sense. more sense then planning for nagato to revive a long dead madara when a much more recently dead jiraiya was said by nagato to have been dead for too long... i guess that can be explained by nagato not having enough power left at the time, but whatever. there are going to be some issues no matter what it seems. |
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2012-09-11, 11:53 | Link #43 |
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ive stated before that tobi is only one person.cause i checked out the timelines and it fits perfectly.obito fought minato with short hair then he grew out his hair for the meeting with itachi and the mind controll of yagura just to make a convincing madara.then cut again later on.
also what was the panek abt obitos arm twitching about? did i catch it right that madara said naruto was a clone? |
2012-09-11, 11:56 | Link #44 | |
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i understand that both tobis could be obito, i'm just saying it doesn't add up logically |
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2012-09-11, 12:37 | Link #47 | |
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Whenever a character changes anything about themselves, it is generally a big deal. Obito's goo arm seemed to have healed itself. Why it can do this now but not earlier is unknown. Yes, the Naruto directly fighting Madara and Tobi was a clone (no one knew this besides Madara). The real Naruto was freeing Kirabi. |
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2012-09-11, 12:37 | Link #48 |
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My biggest question is, if Madara is fighting a Naruto clone, where is the real Naruto? And, if Naruto, with the Super BFF mode Kyuubi (Kurama) can fight with this much power through a clone, what happens when the real Naruto shows up with no clones???
To be honest, I think the real Naruto is hanging back somewhere creating a clone every now and then to suck up some sage chakra, then poofing them for a clone recharge, rinsing and repeating. If he's using that tactic (which would be epicly brilliant, especially for Naruto) then he's got an unlimited chakra reserve unlike he's ever had before. That makes him a match for Madara, at least in one respect.
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So none of the major plot holes were closed in this chapter but it was still an epic chapter
Madara being alive and not looking after Nagato is still the major plot hole for me. Now it is confirmed that he was alive. The huge risk was not only that the child Nagato would be killed by the war or nature itself but also that someone like Jiraiya would teach Nagato to be the good guy instead of following Madara. Or was Zetsu following every event in Nagato's life? Was Nagato's life planned by Madara? The two Konoha soldiers who killed his (fake?) parents were under Madara's genjutsu? If so then Madara probably died around the time when Nagato meets with Jiraiya, because i'm sure Madara would not have allowed for Jiraiya's teachings to take root in Nagato's head. Because those teachings in the end were the cause of Nagato's betrayal. Nagato was about 10 years old when meeting with Jiraya so it would make sense in the timeline. All what happened until then was supervised and controlled by Madara in order to make Nagato hate Konoha and the ninja world, to plant the seeds of hatred towards this world at a very young age. I guess Madara also planned to "save" Nagato at some point in time and then teach him for some time and give him the order to resurrect him personally, but he didn't have the time. But that would also mean that he couldn't have trained Obito in the usual way, so he had to change Obtio in a very limited time (days, weeks?), which means he had to use some mental brainwashing jutsu using sharingan eyes. Maybe izanami to make him live his last day 100000 times, Obito making the same decisions every time, but then slowly Madara corrupting him in that infinite loop of izanami to save himself instead of Kakashi. Madara could have combined izanami with other genjutsu too. Since Madara already had some other Uchiha's eyes at that time he could use izanami without regret. As for Naruto being another clone i really hope that we finally see the next big powerup that i was waiting for: Naruto combining sage mode and kyuubi mode. That would make him even more like the Sage of 6 paths, except the rinnegan. Now it is inevitable that either the fight is interrupted by something (Sasuke jumping in, but that's too early now, or Obito and Madara turning against each other, but it's now confirmed that their plan was the same so it's very unlikely) or that Naruto get's a serious powerup. We can't see the real Naruto, so maybe the real one is hiding nearby and collecting a huge amount of natural chakra in sage mode. Before when he was not 100% friends with the kyuubi the sage mode would be impssible because he would have to balance hi own limited chakra with both narutal chakra and kyuubi chakra, but now the equation would be: natural chakra ~ naruto's chakra + kyuubi's chakra, which means that if natural and kyuubi's chakra are balanced then Naruto has power over a HUGE amount of chakra, rivaling that of the 10-tails. (and Naruto also got some amount of chakra from each of the tailed beasts that Tobi used against him earlier). Kishimoto might give us an insanely great finale for this war, which will make us forget about all the plot holes of Tobi=Obito Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2012-09-11 at 13:04. |
2012-09-11, 13:10 | Link #51 | |
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2012-09-11, 13:13 | Link #53 | ||
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anime characters just dont randomly change hairstyles unless that is part of their MO like a highschool girl into fashion or something. we never saw jiraiya randomly cut his hair for instance. over the course of his life we only saw his hair keep getting longer. a similar trend should have followed with obito, but for some reason he went back to the short style. i'm sure i'm harping on it a bit too much, but i'd still like an explanation like an identity crisis or something like that at least Quote:
yea its a shitty one since we were supposed to be under the impression that tobi was madara at that time anyway. we were supposed to buy it before we ever saw him have long hair. a couple flashbacks of tobi with long hair wasn't anymore convincing to the readers or to characters in the know like kisame and itachi so there really wouldn't have been a point if it is indeed a red herring |
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2012-09-11, 13:13 | Link #54 | |
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Look at the pic again, her legs and her torso are clearly on opposite sides of the tree; and considering the size of the tree, I don't think she just being covered up... |
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That panel with the eye opening in the darkness looks like the same one we see in kisames flashback...I realized it was a left eye at that time too...kisame met real madara. I'm still wondering about itachi
Yeah when the mokoton was activated that branch was likely growing across her belly and as it grew, we see what happened. But she is a slug, she'll grow back
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