2011-04-03, 02:17 | Link #61 | |
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X-men is not a period-piece; it should be allowed to update itself to fight modern racism, not an outdated caricature version of it. If you portray mobs lynching mutants, it would just make the humans look pathetic, the human government worth-less at keeping law and order, and Magneto was right to kill them all.
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2011-04-03, 02:43 | Link #62 | |
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You are right as far as being polite racism is concerned. But there have been spikes in racism at certain times. Trust me, they're not socially accepted yet though. I guess it depends on the area in the Marvel universe. As it stands right now, I'm okay with the way the cruise ship scene went down. I would have preferred the latter, for more of a psychological mindfuck kind of story, like Evangelion, but I'm sure the way they're doing it will be fine. |
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2011-04-03, 02:53 | Link #63 | |
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It seems Marvel assumes that normal humans could get away with being immoral just because they don't have superpowers. That wouldn't fly in Japan; if you break the rules, you break the rules. Even if you hate someone, you would have to do it politely. And of course, there is the unfortunate implication that Marvel is telling the Japanese that the American Government is actually evil, and that it is okay to keep it like that. When the government is obviously committing acts of atrocities, they would be called out. Personally I think at some point, Marvel have already crossed the line, and the normal human population in the Marvel world who repeatedly voted in their evil government have lost their right to live for some time. If I were to go to the Marvel dimension, I would try to take up arms and kill every American voter there. Ignorance is no excuse for evil and corruption.
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2011-04-03, 02:59 | Link #64 | |
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2011-04-03, 03:24 | Link #67 | |
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Just as an example of actual racism in Japan, there are certain groups of people who are secretly ostracised. They were either the descendants of the native Japanese Aborigines, or those who were genetically from the lowest social class from back when Japan had a caste system. Obviously, there haven't been an official caste system in Japan for a while. But there are still illegal means to find out if someone belonged in that "undesirable" group. The general result is either rejection of promotion, rejection of employment all together, etc. Even politicians have to hide their ancestry to ensure they could keep their voters. But no lynching. And certainly no concentration camps. Racism is performed invisibly, so much so as to almost acting like it doesn't exist. Nothing like the American 60's.
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2011-04-03, 03:36 | Link #68 |
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That was much better than I expected after what happened with Iron Man and Wolverine.. looks like Madhouse were saving the best for last. Love the production values and attention to detail... Storm has always been a fav of mine and I really like this look for her, nice to see Aya Hisakawa get that role.
Thankfully this won't cover the Dark Phoenix saga.. so tired of that.. and it also means.. FUCK YEAH EMMA FROST. Will be following this for sure, better first episode than most and with Emma Frost to come I'll be watching. |
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2011-04-03, 04:37 | Link #70 | |
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My idea is to portray Mutant treatment the way Racism play out in modern Japan, not 1960's America. Completely with polite, smiling people who never the less in little ways make the X-men uncomfortable and feel unwanted. Unfortunately, since the script is American, it is unlikely what I wanted could come to pass. Do people really want to see Mutants being lynched on the streets with the silent approval of the government? I mean, I know that's what the Marvel comics do, but it seems at some point it becomes a sadism fetish rather than any realist portrayal of discrimination.
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2011-04-03, 05:38 | Link #71 |
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Well, about the episode itself, I have to echo the general opinion: it's definitely much better than Iron Man and Wolverine before this. The technical quality was great, and everything looks great. Death of Jean Grey is a nice way to set the background, and mutant kidnapping is simple but has great potential. Storm looks awesome, and I also enjoy the usual bickering between Cyclops and Wolverine. I'm very impressed, hope it will keep up this quality until the end.
About the mutant debate, there's also the possibility that while mutant is looked down upon by humans, the X-Men is an exception, maybe because they're heroes who regularly saves the world before. Either way, it will come up later, I'm sure, there can't be an X-Men story without it.
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2011-04-03, 05:49 | Link #72 |
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Okay, I know that racists in general can be dumb at times, but let's consider the facts for a moment:
- People are already well aware of mutants and the X-Men in the world, some might not like them, but it's not a surprising or shocking revelation any longer. - These are a bunch of people on a cruise ship in the middle of the ocean, completely isolated from physical escape. - Storm just pwned an entire ship of pirates with a single shot. - Storm is on the same ship everyone else is, she can also fly, everyone else on the ship cannot fly. Would you: a) grudgingly feel thankful that she saved you, and look happy, hoping she doesn't blast you next, or b) decide to go into a heated racism rant against mutants and her kind, possibly pissing her off and getting yourself zapped by lightning with no where to run to? |
2011-04-03, 06:15 | Link #73 | |
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Thankfully the new story is set in the modern day.
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2011-04-03, 06:52 | Link #74 | |
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Look to the Ultimate Marvel universe for a more realistic view on our world coinciding with that of Marvel's. Wolverine kills a child whose mutant powers killed everyone in his town upon being activated. Magneto wiped out New York City, killed several of the X-Men, and other mutants are being hunted by SHIELD. In Ultimate X, Jean Grey is alive and is gathering up other mutants whose powers had recently activated or were in hiding after the events of Ultimatum(Magneto decimating New York City). The above is most recent and most realistic reaction humans have towards mutants in our day and age. Could you all do me a favor and quit the mindless ranting about the 60s or rationality in humans? The latter doesn't exist, it's absurd to say otherwise. The former has a moot point. You're attempting to say human nature towards those that are different has changed. It really hasn't! It's on a situational basis. Remember that insanity about "terror mosques" last year? The Muslim community wants to build a mosque several blocks away from ground zero, and what did they get for it? So please, stop being so absurd with this discussion. Last edited by delirium; 2011-04-03 at 08:36. |
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2011-04-03, 06:54 | Link #75 | |
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I just have to mention it again, love this Storm design.
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2011-04-03, 07:01 | Link #77 | |
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Ultimate universe anti-mutant hysteria is alive and kicked into overdrive after the dreadful Ultimatum, with the US government actively interning and disappearing every mutant they can get their hands on.
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2011-04-03, 07:05 | Link #78 |
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All four Marvel Anime are confirmed to be one cour. X-Men is slated for 12 episodes, just like Iron Man and Wolverine. The only difference is, this time we'll probably actually get something good. Lol. In July the time slot will be replaced by Blade.
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2011-04-03, 08:34 | Link #80 | |
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I mean, it would be a travesty if the average human figures out hating mutants are wrong, right? Marvel can't afford to offend the racist fraction of their readership, after all. Just cut their numbers down by de-powering most of them via magic while you are at it. The racist humans win everything, the mutants lose everything. I wonder what Martin Luther King Jr would feel about a magical way to turn black people into Caucasians.
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