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Old 2024-02-16, 08:52   Link #421
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Old 2024-03-01, 17:55   Link #422
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Old 2024-03-30, 17:20   Link #423
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While perhaps not "worth flying over to Japan" good, Das Finale's fourth act was awesome, a thrilling and riveting show of Panzerfahren that simultaneously shows a great deal of character growth. Girls und Panzer is quite predictable, but where this series lands things is showing how we get to a certain outcome. Here in the fourth part, use of terrain and circumstance allows the series to outdo itself in its portrayal of the match between Ooarai and Continuation High, and because of what this part showcases, I have a longer set of thoughts on what this instalment's contributions to Girls und Panzer are.

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Old 2024-04-01, 06:00   Link #424
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@Infinite Zenith great article(s) as always. Waiting to read your thought on Hibike 3 in future.
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Old 2024-04-03, 11:03   Link #425
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The skills of the animation and choreographing teams are getting better and better. Though both are supposed to be "film (as opposed to midnight anime) level", we've gone a long way from stationary tanks somehow missing each other across the street. I don't think the tanks have moved so much in any series before this one, nor have as complex an interchange of moves been used. Even the side show that's KMM vs St. Glorianna was excellent and more complicated than previous efforts. Besides, everything is fast and it is easier to be forgiving when everything is fast. I think I'd have to rewatch it a few times before being able to make any real criticisms, and by then well it doesn't bite as hard if the viewer had to rewatch it several times before finding anything.
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Old 2024-04-03, 17:48   Link #426
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@Infinite Zenith great article(s) as always. Waiting to read your thought on Hibike 3 in future.
I appreciate the feedbacks, and yes, I will be writing about Hibike! Euphonium's third season

Regarding Das Finale, I've also finished the OVA, and it's a fun reprieve from things.

On another note, I am duty-bound to remind folks that in Girls und Panzer, we are dealing with high school students and not fully-trained professionals in the armed forces. I've never understood the need to judge Miho and the others' mistakes so harshly, as though they're professional armour operators instead of just students.
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Old 2024-04-03, 18:41   Link #427
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Match against Jatkosota was probably my favourite so far. A lot of craziness and a lot of tactics.

And it was predictable that MC will face
Spoiler for final:
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Need to check the OVA now.
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Old 2024-04-03, 19:00   Link #428
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Match against Jatkosota was probably my favourite so far. A lot of craziness and a lot of tactics.

And it was predictable that MC will face
Spoiler for final:
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Need to check the OVA now.
It makes sense from a thematic standpoint because St. Gloriana is the polar opposite of Ooarai in terms of style. As for Alice, shortly after the movie, she wanted to explore enrollment in a high school because she was interested in hanging out with peers, and considered enrolling at Ooarai. However, upon learning that she wouldn't be able to challenge Miho if she were a student there, she ends up declining. Presumably, because St. Gloriana was the only opponent Ooarai's never faced formally in a live match, writers decided to send here there so Alice could challenge Miho again on the battlefield. I'm sure that more devoted fans than myself will have found supplementary materials that detail this, but if it exists, I've not found it yet.
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Old 2024-04-03, 21:18   Link #429
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I'm not a big man on "theme". My first thought on the Alice thing is that she's a necessary buff to St. Glorianna. I've been open on my sense that even in der Film they had to push things to get St. Glorianna to win, so by now even with the newly revealed Crusader team they need someone to really do that maneuvering part.

(I'm not dissing "theme", but I do think Theme is something you do after you get "basics" like Characterization and Plot going, and unless you completely blow me away with your story writing I tend to view dimly sacrificing the basics to rush to some Theme.)
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Old 2024-04-03, 21:29   Link #430
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All stories are rooted around a central message the author wishes to tell. The plot, or progression, in a story shows how the characters' experiences end up contributing to that thematic element. Girls und Panzer is no exception, and it is because the themes are solid, that everything else follows.

That reminds me: some of the criticisms you've previously levelled against Miho and the others come from the expectation that they act like trained professionals, where they're clearly high school students (and therefore, mistakes would be more forgivable). I still struggle to understand the merits of expecting all of the teams to act like professional military units in the context of Girls und Panzer, so perhaps you can walk me through that.
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Old 2024-04-06, 13:59   Link #431
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First, did I blast Miho et al, or did I blast the scriptwriter forcing them into such actions or assigning them the hit rates shown onscreen.

Anyway, I don't think I put a lot of emphasis on them, or any other character, acting to the standard of trained professionals. I do remember demanding they act to the standard they had already achieved. If the story has already decided they can shoot and hit to a certain distance, I expect to see that retained, not dumped because the author decided the story he wanted to tell here and now needed them to keep missing. At the very least, the author can add reasons for missing. When the tanks are literally sitting across the street from each other, filling the scopes and not moving, he is making it as hard as possible for me to swallow the scene.

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Old 2024-04-06, 15:16   Link #432
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Reading through the old posts here, you had done so in both a vociferous and frequent manner. There is absolutely nothing unrealistic about significant decrease in accuracy in close quarters: the fight-or-flight response and the ensuing surge of adrenaline and cortisol causes people to shake and act reflexively. It happens with small arms (most bullets fired actually miss their target), and from a statistical study done regarding the armed forces, the number of rounds fired to achieve a casualty is somewhere between 20000 and 100000. Based purely on real-world observations, it is completely and totally gratuitous to claim that the writers are forcibly trying to accommodate for the story. The reality is that, especially at close ranges, excitement and nerves cause people to act reflexively, resulting in missed shots. This is even seen in video games: at close range, panic causes players to empty entire magazines at one foe, but when the engagement distance increases, players play more calmly and take time to place their shots.

Regarding themes and characterisation, works that have good characters have failed completely for me because they fail to say something significant, and I've gone through fiction with despicable characters that I ended up viewing favourably because the author framed their experiences in a way as to say something significant. There is a reason why the so-called "Western" approach results in stories that have international acclaim: people value the idea of a struggle and what it says about people because at the end of the day, people, East or West, are wired to solve problems. You are free to believe what you choose regarding other works, but in the case of Girls und Panzer, matters of marksmanship are ultimately irrelevant because they do not speak poorly about the characters. In fact, demanding that everyone hits their shots in urban combat is to be unreasonable because it would demand the writers ignore real-world things like adrenaline. If Girls und Panzer featured young girls who were similar to the Lycoris or equivalent, trained to suppress their emotions and act calmly in stressful scenarios, then your expectations would be valid, but here, it comes across as though you're looking for things to complain about where there are none. I do appreciate you taking the time to justify your perspective, but we will have to agree to disagree.
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Old 2024-04-06, 22:36   Link #433
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Ultimately I'm not here to pick a fight - you will notice I had nothing but praise for this part of das Finale (in fact I don't think I have any major complaints for the entire run). I really don't think making a brief mention of issues I had with previous products as a reference on where they improved or as a reason why a certain storytelling maneuver is correct is picking a fight, even if you disagree it's a problem.
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Old 2024-04-06, 23:26   Link #434
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You were clear enough about enjoying Das Finale, which was good. I'm just presenting a counterargument to balance things out, and given our exchanges thus far, I'd say this disagreement isn't a fight. In fact, you cleared up one of my misunderstandings, too. Our different perspectives can coexist well enough, although I will note we're quite fortunate that the likes of Sumeragi and willx no longer walk our ranks, otherwise, I'm sure that our conversation would be twisted out of context and turned into a flamefest. That's actually one of the reasons why returning to Girls und Panzer nowadays has been a pleasant experience.
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Old 2024-04-13, 18:26   Link #435
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Well I finally saw it and that was amazing. It's no surprised who they will face at the finals and it's a surprise that they now have to face Alice in the finals as well. It's sad that there are two more left and that will be end of it.
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