GATE - Episode 14 Discussion / Poll

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Yan3242

Yet nobody raising their voice about "glorious USA"

They are. Usually it's the same people.

[Yan3242]

They are. Usually it's the same people.

Thats.... kinda sad.

there's a gray area separating "this is what a decent human being should do" versus "look at how great our military / country is".

This, all this talk will probably never happen if itami and co happen to dress in their casual attire instead of their uniform

[Top Sergeant]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

The only thing I ever had an issue with was the complete slaughter the JSDF laid down on the American, Russian, and Chinese special forces teams, but when you realize that those three teams were made up of only those forces they had on hand in Japan (who were probably only there for Gate-related information gathering) or could insert into Japan within the time frame between learning of the SR natives' visit and the time of the op, and that the Japanese not only had advance knowledge of the likelihood of infiltration but also access to their best forces, it makes sense.

Was it the JSDF that killed the three Special Ops Teams? I got the impression that as the Teams fired on Rory one of the Teams, accidentally or intentionally, fired on one of the other Teams, and then all of them began a three-way firefight and were engaging Rory at the same time.

[Yan3242]

complete slaughter the JSDF laid down on the American, Russian, and Chinese special forces teams *snip*

Rory happened not jsdf, by the time those 3 team goes battle royal with rory, the jsdf already "retreat"

IF you are talking about how jsdf take 1 of the opponent prior to the battle royal, then yes it kinda "jsdf is damn good" impression but thankfully they "lessen" that impact by serveral things.....

For a start the jsdf might have been there before the enemy team, so i take it they have the 1st hit/surprise chance opportunity. 2nd it cant be help, its not just jsdf, if you got scoped without you noticing the enemy, its only about pulling the trigger especially with silenced weapon. And finally, after they take out the opponent, 1 of the them said "you can get this stuff at akihabara" so this guy is probably ill equip to begin with.

[DemonneoPT]

Man, i'm so disappointed with this adaptation so far. Not only the anime is censored to a point that should be considered a crime against art, they are also cutting important reactions and dialogue. The conversation between the King with Sugawara and the discussion in the destroyed Senate was the perfect example of that. It's sad, because one of the things i really like in this story is the culture clash between our world with the Empire.

The animation quality is also dropping way to much. Although censored, the season 1 actually had nice battle animations (battle of Italica was good), but in this episode the confrontation between the Prince's guard and the JSDF was so underwhelming and rushed... I really hope they are saving extra budget and screen time for the Dragon arc, otherwise this Gate season 2 will be one big flop :/

[rladls2121]

Originally Posted by DemonneoPT

Man, i'm so disappointed with this adaptation so far. Not only the anime is censored to a point that should be considered a crime against art, they are also cutting important reactions and dialogue. The conversation between the King with Sugawara and the discussion in the destroyed Senate was the perfect example of that. It's sad, because one of the things i really like in this story is the culture clash between our world with the Empire.

The animation quality is also dropping way to much. Although censored, the season 1 actually had nice battle animations (battle of Italica was good), but in this episode the confrontation between the Prince's guard and the JSDF was so underwhelming and rushed... I really hope they are saving extra budget and screen time for the Dragon arc, otherwise this Gate season 2 will be one big flop :/

And Sugawara understands why this is happening.
He understands why the king is saying why loving the people of its own country too much that it will leads to own destruction.
The king admits what would Sugawara actually think of his country.

I don't know how much Sugawara is knowledgable about the old era's history.
But let's say he knows his own country so well, since his country was once an imperialsitic country.
Sugawara's country, Japan lived tremendously longer than the Empire in the Special Region.
We could all say even though what the King says loving too much is a weakness, but that weakness is overcame long time ago.
So it is actually his country's strong point.

Since the king does not know how exactly Sugawara's world runs, he must have not known about Japan's true weakness.
I guess Sugawara is rather feel sorry for the king or maybe people in the Special Region to live in this harsh timeline in his mind, but kept his calm posture boldly in front of him.
I wonder what would that little female child from the episode 13 would think of that if she witness that kind of scene.

In a situation where surrounded by Empire solders exceeds Itami's and company's in numbers, Sugawara let Itami angry in his stead to punch Zorzal, Kuribayashi comforting Noriko untying the ropes and Tomita providing extra cloth behind Noriko.
Pina, the King, Zorzal, and the Empire soldiers and servants witness this and discussed about it in the Senate and yet Zorzal wonders why Pina sides with them.
Itami's superior even wondered if he would whether punish Itami or not about his "reckless" action commands, I was wondering the same thing actually.

To me im still not really sure however, it's like Sugawara's meaning of Nationalism is love for his country's people and not power of military's strength, but the power of love of the country's people that motivates the power, he believes in that kind of power.
True or false maybe this kind of Nationalism I should look up to, no matter which country it is.
Even though it may seems somehow hypocritical compared to real life, but the author and the editors knows most people would agree with action that Itami and company took in this episode in the castle, I agree too.

I rewatched the episode again, it is really the best part of this episode for me.
Again, please correct me if I'm wrong or missing anything about this statement.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Top Sergeant

Was it the JSDF that killed the three Special Ops Teams? I got the impression that as the Teams fired on Rory one of the Teams, accidentally or intentionally, fired on one of the other Teams, and then all of them began a three-way firefight and were engaging Rory at the same time.

The JSDF killed a different group earlier.

The final attack at the Onsen didn't have the JSDF there because GW Bush blackmailed the Primeminister and made him pull the security away. So Itami's team was on their own.

[Brother Coa]

So much Freedom and Democracy in this episode.... I absolutely love it!!!!

And dialog was much more better in manga where ambassador address emperor: he literally tells him that we get so much good in warfare that if we went all out next time we will literally exterminate ourselves and destroy our world. And that it would be a mistake to challenge that kind of power.

And I have a song for Zolzal:

Spoiler for Song:

Deep in the belly of a bird of prey, I'll cross half the world in a half a day.
Born to fly in skies red as rage, and I lit the fire of the Atomic Age.
Death in flight when the Eagle screams, and the boom shakes down from the edge of my wings.
If death don't bring you fear, then death is coming off my leash.
Come to the nightmare, come to me,
to the edge of the black where the 'nether be to the wolves of the wind with a bloody shriek, come snap the chain,
cry "wake the beast!"
There, in the burned and blackened ash, another enemy, dead, in the fire's breath.
Smoke in the open wind won't last, the shadow of death is the one I cast.

I am the Eagle, I am fighting on,
I am a warrior and this is my song.
I am the fire raining down from above,
I am a warrior and this is my song.

Quite fitting xD

Also for 'you love your citizens and that is your weakness' thing - Empire is so lucky the gate opened in Japan and not in Israel. I have a feeling that for the same thing Israelis would raze entire Empire capital to the ground.

[Sinestra]

Great episodes. That ass beating was real. Itami jokes around a lot and is nonchalant about a lot of things, but when its time to take care of business he never hesitates and thats the quality of a good leader. All of his order were precise and direct on no smiles no jokes. If it had been my countrymen i would have done the same thing. The look of terror on Pina's face said it all and as a result of the kidnapping and enslavement they bombed the senate. They are lucky thats all that happen. I am not going to weigh in on all this nationalistic talk because to be honest it not that serious and really not worth it, i took it at face value for what it was.

[DemonneoPT]

Originally Posted by rladls2121

I rewatched the episode again, it is really the best part of this episode for me.
Again, please correct me if I'm wrong or missing anything about this statement.

I only said such scenes were better portrayed in the manga. The main idea was still transmitted in the anime, but it was rushed and poorly executed in my oppinion.

[rladls2121]

Originally Posted by DemonneoPT

I only said such scenes were better portrayed in the manga. The main idea was still transmitted in the anime, but it was rushed and poorly executed in my oppinion.

I wonder is it because of that 13 to 26 episodes rule?
I think most mangas does not have that kind of chapter limitations, but for anime episodes.
I doubt it will change in any studio.

And the part Pina tries hard to explain to the Senators and her family what kind people Japanese are.
Why does she shake at that moment? Or should I say why her words are shaking?
Can anyone explain this part for me?

[DemonneoPT]

@rladls2121

Well, i did not understood that either. In the manga she just told the senators everything she knows about the japanese. She was not shaking there and her words/speech describing them had way more impact. That's another great example why i think poorly of this adaptation. You can check that by yourself in the chapter 35 from the manga.

[rladls2121]

Thank you for the answer.
So it is different in anime.
I actually laughed at the part many times though, for no good reasons.

[thundrakkon]

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To me, as shown in the anime, she has been visibly shaken up by the whole occasion. She already knows how devastating the army can be. She saw first hand the effect in the palace. Now, she knows that they are upset at the country. She is quite shaken up and scared. It is fear in her voice, even as she tries to convey the message.

[Top Sergeant]

Originally Posted by DemonneoPT

I only said such scenes were better portrayed in the manga.

Part of it may be that the writers are not using the manga as the base for their script.

[HandofFate]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

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To me, as shown in the anime, she has been visibly shaken up by the whole occasion. She already knows how devastating the army can be. She saw first hand the effect in the palace. Now, she knows that they are upset at the country. She is quite shaken up and scared. It is fear in her voice, even as she tries to convey the message.

I remember the image Pina saw when the army saved the town and how it could have easily reversed to them being the ones shot down, and now she saw it happen right in front of her.
Though the anime didn't do a good job of showing her thoughts atm.

[rladls2121]

Her relationship with the other country with advanced civilization trusts just broke here.
And no more BL magazines for her, that is what she is most fears of.

I'm joking.

[mergele]

She knows "If they are pissed, we are fucked." And razing someones seat of government is a prety good way to say "We are pissed". Just think about the consequences for reperation demands.
I was a bit confused by the councils reaction to hearing that during the attack people were captured and enslaved. Seems like a pretty normal thing there, so why where they so surprised and shocked?
Diabolo (the prince, can't remember the actual name) got some pretty big disrespect there.
Am I the only one critzising MCs (yeah I am bad with names in this show) and berserker girls actions? §3 of any of the geneva conventions seems to be in full effect here since they declared all of the territory in the other world to be japanese. (Yes I actually read those, pretty interesting stuff. Did you know that dams are better protected than hospitals?)

[Yan3242]

Why does she shake at that moment? Or should I say why her words are shaking?Can anyone explain this part for me?

When you let say an average person living a normal life have a friendly relationship with top mafia and suddenly one of your relative doing something stupid that make them totally angry, iam sure your reaction is not "not my business" attitude.

Thats how pina feel at that moment be she like or dislike her brother, its your relative its your family its your countryman who cause it.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by mergele

She knows "If they are pissed, we are fucked." And razing someones seat of government is a prety good way to say "We are pissed". Just think about the consequences for reperation demands.
I was a bit confused by the councils reaction to hearing that during the attack people were captured and enslaved. Seems like a pretty normal thing there, so why where they so surprised and shocked?
Diabolo (the prince, can't remember the actual name) got some pretty big disrespect there.
Am I the only one critzising MCs (yeah I am bad with names in this show) and berserker girls actions? §3 of any of the geneva conventions seems to be in full effect here since they declared all of the territory in the other world to be japanese. (Yes I actually read those, pretty interesting stuff. Did you know that dams are better protected than hospitals?)

Cause it didn't happen during the attack. The Japanese were kidnapped by a recon force.

Piss poor intelligence there. Instead of raping and slave labor they could've interrogated about the strengths and weaknesses of Japan.

They went in full Leeroy Jenkins getting their people killed.

In short the Empire after millennia of victories got complacent.