Anime and Manga, one step closer to being illegal in the UK!!

[Tiamat's Disciple]

Well, it's true sadly. But the a bill that is about to become law will make a lot of anime and manga, as well as almost all hentai anime, and eroge games illegal.

I first wrote about this several years ago when it first started doing the rounds, but everyone said I was wrong, it would never happen, and as a result no one opposed the bill. Sadly it's now to late and it's due to become law in a few weeks. The best we can hope for is an amendment, but that's not likely to happen now either.

The law is supposedly to stop extreme porn, such as necrophilia, bestiality and the likes of snuff movies. It moves the onus off the publisher and onto the consumer, and as a result the consumer can face jail time.

The law itself isn't a bad law, and it's one that's been needed for a while. However it's been rushed through, and is so vague and ambiguous that it in reality covers pretty much every movie made of late.

Anime such as Ghost in the Shell, WitchBlade, and the likes of Kimi ga Aruji de Shitsuji ga Ore de, would all be on the forbidden list. As well as manga such as Psychic Academy, Eden, Yubisaki Milk Tea, WitchBlade, DearS, and a slew of others would all be illegal as well. Games such as Bible Black, Discipline, Meow Meow, Shuffle!, H2O, and others would also be on the hate list.

Normal movies, such as almost all of the James Bond movies, and a lot of the ones doing the rounds at the cinema at the moment would be illegal as well.

All of this because the law is to vague, it uses generalities such as "an act which threatens or appears to threaten a person's life" and "tend to deprave and corrupt", which are so ridiculously open to interpretation that anything could fall under them, depending on who is looking and how they see it.

The UK already has over crammed prisons, but now wants to stuff them full of even more with people watching and reading stuff that some bunch of suits (and if they anything like the certification board they're all arch conservatives who haven't changed their underwear in a century!!) deciding how and what we can watch and read.

Sadly it's now to late, we're now in the hands of the idiots in office.

For more info on this read the following links!!

The BBC News Story
The House of Lords Debate
Backlash UK
The Actual Bill

[Slice of Life]

[IRONY][CYNISM]

Oh noes. Arm the librarians.

So James Bond movies will become illegal in the UK? Do you really think so?

Anyway. Welcome to Europe in the 21st century. Where have you been all the time?

If you want to hear my personal pet theory: there are only so many useful laws that can be implemented. My estimation is that on this continent, the last missing one was set into force around 1995. At that point one could have simply dissolved the national parliaments and have left the management of current affairs to the regions, the EU, or maybe some third party contractor.

But instead of doing so the parliaments simply switched tactics to churning out idiotic laws to give the retarded 90 percent of the population some illusion of usefulness. Do what we all do, lean back and enjoy the show. As for these laws: leave it to the constitutional courts to kill them, leave it to the police to not enforce them. And ignore them as we all do. The internet is that way ------>.

[/CYNISM][/IRONY]

[JustInn14]

As defined by the new Criminal Justice Bill
An act which threatens or appears to threaten a person's life
An act which results in or appears to result in serious injury to a person's anus, breasts or genitals
An act which involves or appears to involve sexual interference with a human corpse
A person performing or appearing to perform an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal

I don't see too much mention of anime here. Yeah, I'm still here. I don't think this law will really do too much to the anime watchers/crowd. It seems to really be focusing more on actual p**n than anime IMO. :-\

[Lanner Falcon]

Originally Posted by Slice of Life

If you want to hear my personal pet theory: there are only so many useful laws that can be implemented. My estimation is that on this continent, the last missing one was set into force around 1995.

You're forgetting the one that jails those who create them…

[WanderingKnight]

The law itself isn't a bad law, and it's one that's been needed for a while.

No, it's not. Shifting the blame to the consumer is stupid, and reasonable people should notice it.

The law is wrong at the very core of its proposal--anime and manga being forbidden is a minor consequence.

[Tiamat's Disciple]

Originally Posted by JustInn14

I don't see too much mention of anime here. Yeah, I'm still here. I don't think this law will really do too much to the anime watchers/crowd. It seems to really be focusing more on actual p**n than anime IMO. :-\

I suggest you read the amendments, however:

An act which threatens or appears to threaten a person's life

90% of anime has someone dying in it, usually in a violent way. The gov has already stated that the new law will apply to manga and anime, and ALL media, whether drawn, written or acted.

As i said, the law itself isn't a bad law, its the ambiguity thats the bad element.

Also this law is the same law that they tried to get in back in the 90's when a few nutters went and killed the girlfriend and fiance and were revelaed to be anime and manga fanatics. The families all got together in 2005 when another one went nuts and killed his girlfriend. Theuy formed a peer group and started pressuring the government. The gov met resisitence in the form of anime companies and other groups. So they changed tack and created this law with it's ambiguity so as thety can do what they wanted originally.

[JustInn14]

Originally Posted by Tiamat's Disciple

90% of anime has someone dying in it, usually in a violent way. The gov has already stated that the new law will apply to manga and anime, and ALL media, whether drawn, written or acted.

As i said, the law itself isn't a bad law, its the ambiguity thats the bad element.

Also this law is the same law that they tried to get in back in the 90's when a few nutters went and killed the girlfriend and fiance and were revelaed to be anime and manga fanatics. The families all got together in 2005 when another one went nuts and killed his girlfriend. Theuy formed a peer group and started pressuring the government. The gov met resisitence in the form of anime companies and other groups. So they changed tack and created this law with it's ambiguity so as thety can do what they wanted originally.

That's sounds like an awfully unfocused law IMO.

About the nutter that killed that person... that's just a coincidense. Would it have made a difference if they were Star Wars fans, instead of, anime/manga fans? Probably not. Just my opinion.

[Ledgem]

Originally Posted by Tiamat's Disciple

90% of anime has someone dying in it, usually in a violent way. The gov has already stated that the new law will apply to manga and anime, and ALL media, whether drawn, written or acted.

Yes, but nobody in anime is real. One of the true intentions behind this law is to block "snuff films" - I've never seen one, but it's generally filming a person dying. In other words, someone truly dies for the filming purposes. How it escalated to violent pornography is a mystery to me - I presume that since there's such a big taboo on sex this makes it much easier to pass and receive support. I didn't see a statement saying that it applied to animations or drawings... where did you see it?

I'm sure that this law can be twisted around to apply to anime, manga, or virtually any form of entertainment, but if you read it through I don't believe that there's anything connecting it to anime or manga. Not that this makes it OK: I'm with WanderingKnight in saying that this sort of thing is garbage and that the government has no place dictating it. If a person likes seeing domination or other forms of aggressive sex and is content to simply watch it and not go out and force it on someone else, good for them. The government seems to think that if we make it illegal then people will feel bad over it and stop liking or thinking about it entirely - or perhaps they think that if it's banned for long enough, people will forget that concepts like this ever existed. I think it's misguided. It's a dangerous precedent, and one step closer to the concept of "thought police."

[Saleh]

Originally Posted by JustInn14

I don't see too much mention of anime here. Yeah, I'm still here. I don't think this law will really do too much to the anime watchers/crowd. It seems to really be focusing more on actual p**n than anime IMO. :-\

Depending on interpretation, yes, it seems to be focused on actual p***, snuffs, etc..

(5)
So, for example, where—
(a)
an image forms an integral part of a narrative constituted by a series of images, and

(b)it appears that the series of images as a whole was not produced solely

or principally for the purpose of sexual arousal,

the image may, by virtue of being part of that narrative, be found not to be pornographic, even though it might have been found to be pornographic if taken by itself.

Originally Posted by Tiamat's Disciple

Well, it's true sadly. But the a bill that is about to become law will make a lot of anime and manga, as well as almost all hentai anime, and eroge games illegal.

Even then, by virtue of above clause almost all animes will not be considered as "pornograpic" images, data, etc. So in extreme cases only bolded part may eventually become true.

[JustInn14]

Originally Posted by Ledgem

Yes, but nobody in anime is real.

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It's a dangerous precedent, and one step closer to the concept of "thought police."

I know. I don't honestly view anime as more than simple animation/entertainment. Honestly more like artwork *somewhat* than what these lawmakers seem to be hyping it up as what they think it is. A "Thought Police" would no doubt be the end of ALL entertainment as we know it. Everything then on would become mindless PC educational drivel... Just my opnion.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Slice of Life

[IRONY][CYNISM]

Oh noes. Arm the librarians.

So James Bond movies will become illegal in the UK? Do you really think so?

Anyway. Welcome to Europe in the 21st century. Where have you been all the time?

If you want to hear my personal pet theory: there are only so many useful laws that can be implemented. My estimation is that on this continent, the last missing one was set into force around 1995. At that point one could have simply dissolved the national parliaments and have left the management of current affairs to the regions, the EU, or maybe some third party contractor.

But instead of doing so the parliaments simply switched tactics to churning out idiotic laws to give the retarded 90 percent of the population some illusion of usefulness. Do what we all do, lean back and enjoy the show. As for these laws: leave it to the constitutional courts to kill them, leave it to the police to not enforce them. And ignore them as we all do. The internet is that way ------>.

[/CYNISM][/IRONY]

The Joker is behind it all, UK needs to call the Za Paper.

one good thing about the US having so many lawyers is that if something like that pass, it would face a immediate lawsuit and take about 3-5 years to make its way to the surpreme court.

[Solais]

Man, and the hungarian politicians are known about copying the laws of the UK.
Well, after our politicians tried to make Necktie Tax, I'm not suprised that this kind of idiocy is happening all over the world.

Burn the politicians!

[Tiamat's Disciple]

Thats the whole point we've been trying to raise.

The law itself is sound, and has been needed for a long time. However it's the ambiguity thats causing the frustration. Because in the recent amendment the government increased the ambiguity, and altered the law to cover ALL media, it's caused outrage.

For example if your into S&M and took photo's of it, or videos, that's illegal. (though again thats already in the process of changing). If the amendment is approved you'd be allowed your photos, but if you showed them to anyone you'd be commiting a crime.

Several groups have already stated that once the law comes into force they'll be going after certain anime and manga titles that they claim would breech this (He is my master being one of them).

The problem isn't the law, the problem lies in how the law is being made more and more ambiguous and open to interpretation. Basically, the government is becoming the thought police.

It all stems from the insane belief that people who watch porn (in any format) are more ;likely to be come real life sexual predators and murderors. It's a knee jerk reaction that's been rushed through because of a few (4 in the last decade) killers, who turned out to have fixations on hentai, S&M and stuff. Never mind the fact that the psyc reports all said they were likely to offend sooner or later anyway because they all turned out to be quakers.

[-KarumA-]

im sure that people will protest against it and that in the future it will not be put in use..
if they want to ban those kind of thinsg then they migth as well ban out almost every single movie that has been created and those that are still coming out.. if they have any common sense then they should notice this and throw it in the trash =3

[WanderingKnight]

The law itself is sound, and has been needed for a long time.

How? I only see the intention of regulating what people do in privacy without any direct harm done to anyone else. I can't for the life of me understand how the law is sound in the first place.

I understand trying to punish people who actually harm other people to produce this kind of media, but this has nothing to do with the one who views it. If anything, the fact that there might be a lot of people who are aroused by someone else's suffering is an indication that there's something rotten in society, but punishing it by means of jail time isn't the way to solve it.

[Kamui4356]

Originally Posted by Tiamat's Disciple

The law itself is sound, and has been needed for a long time.

No it isn't. It's the same inane "Won't someone think of the children" crap that gets passed because no one in the legislature wants to be seen voting against it. There is nothing to show a causal link between stuff like this and actual crimes. It's just an attempt to legislate morality, using an appeal to emotion to ban porn portraying sex that diverages from the percieved norm.

[gabbytay]

Originally Posted by Tiamat's Disciple

Well, it's true sadly. But the a bill that is about to become law will make a lot of anime and manga, as well as almost all hentai anime, and eroge games illegal.

I first wrote about this several years ago when it first started doing the rounds, but everyone said I was wrong, it would never happen, and as a result no one opposed the bill. Sadly it's now to late and it's due to become law in a few weeks. The best we can hope for is an amendment, but that's not likely to happen now either.

The law is supposedly to stop extreme porn, such as necrophilia, bestiality and the likes of snuff movies. It moves the onus off the publisher and onto the consumer, and as a result the consumer can face jail time.

The law itself isn't a bad law, and it's one that's been needed for a while. However it's been rushed through, and is so vague and ambiguous that it in reality covers pretty much every movie made of late.

Anime such as Ghost in the Shell, WitchBlade, and the likes of Kimi ga Aruji de Shitsuji ga Ore de, would all be on the forbidden list. As well as manga such as Psychic Academy, Eden, Yubisaki Milk Tea, WitchBlade, DearS, and a slew of others would all be illegal as well. Games such as Bible Black, Discipline, Meow Meow, Shuffle!, H2O, and others would also be on the hate list.

Normal movies, such as almost all of the James Bond movies, and a lot of the ones doing the rounds at the cinema at the moment would be illegal as well.

All of this because the law is to vague, it uses generalities such as "an act which threatens or appears to threaten a person's life" and "tend to deprave and corrupt", which are so ridiculously open to interpretation that anything could fall under them, depending on who is looking and how they see it.

The UK already has over crammed prisons, but now wants to stuff them full of even more with people watching and reading stuff that some bunch of suits (and if they anything like the certification board they're all arch conservatives who haven't changed their underwear in a century!!) deciding how and what we can watch and read.

Sadly it's now to late, we're now in the hands of the idiots in office.

For more info on this read the following links!!

The BBC News Story
The House of Lords Debate
Backlash UK
The Actual Bill

Human stupidy has gone to a whole new level

[Vexx]

The law is *unsound* on its basis --- the *idea* of stopping dangerous activities is the only thing that may be sound. So many laws contain such poor and ambiguous grammar - written by college educated people and lawyers, that it is very difficult not to assume the worst possible interpretations and that the ambiguity is on purpose (eroding the rule of law).

The UK has been well on its way to a land of a fascist-nanny style of "1984" for a couple of decades. This is just another "brick in the wall" if it passes since its so ambiguous it can be applied in all kinds of absurd ways. The UK courts have been exceptionally poor in their protection of civil liberties or lack the tools to dismantle such nonsense.

[Eclipze]

If the law does pass, wouldn't that make the UK even more "conservative" than Japan or even most parts of Asia?

[Solais]

Even the most of the psychologist stated that the ones who are watching violent movies, porn, or anime, playing violent videogames, are less violent than the ones who don't. It's just stupidity.