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[Archon_Wing]

Originally Posted by risingstar3110

I'm actually more worried at the argument they put up to prosecute such case:



You can argue this against pretty much everything. Would Skyrim make gamers think that it's acceptable to chop people head with an axe while screaming "Fus roh dah"? How about the readers of Oreimo think it's more acceptable to engage in incest acts? Not to mention Breaking Bad audiences potentially commit in illegal drug dealing?

It started to get down to Minority Report route if people are punished for the potential of their crime. Not what they committed

It is the fact that you can use it so broadly to abuse power and yet convince people that it is morally right to do it that makes it so dangerous. Even if you give them logical arguments like that, they'll immediately strawman you that you support abusing children.

[Darthtabby]

Originally Posted by Endless Soul

I like that fact that his last name is Vickers.

Endless "Fitting" Soul

I think playing Mr. Vickers up as some sort of uber badass is doing him a disservice. He did his duty, but if you look at the footage of him when he was applauded in the House of Commons he looked rather disturbed.

[Yu Ominae]

http://news.asiaone.com/news/asia/us...ere-real-women

A most likely reason why the marine killed the transgendered woman.

[Endless Soul]

Originally Posted by 0utf0xZer0

Dealing with this kind of situation isn't really the norm for him, this is a guy who in his RCMP career responded to a protest by sending plainclothes officers with coffee and donuts to talk to the protestors and according to his brother never actually had use his gun in 29 years of service:
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...app=noRedirect

~snip~

Originally Posted by Darthtabby

I think playing Mr. Vickers up as some sort of uber badass is doing him a disservice. He did his duty, but if you look at the footage of him when he was applauded in the House of Commons he looked rather disturbed.

Playing Mr. Vickers up to be a "badass" wasn't my intention. Associating his family name with the British engineering company Vickers (makers of the famous Maxim machine gun and various other weapons) was my intention. I hope I made things clear.

Endless "No nickname for this post" Soul

[Darthtabby]

It might not have been your intention, but the internet meme/humor machine has been playing the guy up, and under the circumstances I kind of wish it wasn't.

Originally Posted by 0utf0xZer0

The more recent news articles are saying the guard who spotted the shooter at the entrance was unarmed and was actually shot in the foot trying to disarm the guy. In that case, the officers who confronted and killed him at the back of the building were probably the first armed response.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/otta...ideo-1.2810673
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/otta...ents-1.2810918

The reporter who took the video indicated in an interview that the round of gunfire heard in his video was actually the second round and that the first round had taken place in a rotunda area just past the entrance.

[Urzu 7]

Originally Posted by Yu Ominae

http://news.asiaone.com/news/asia/us...ere-real-women

A most likely reason why the marine killed the transgendered woman.

Well...yeah? This happens a lot with trans women. When a guy gets interested in them, they usually (before consenting for sex and before undressing) divulge to them the fact that they are a MtF trans woman. They aren't trying to trick them or deceive them. They run it by them to see if they are still interested in them, and for trans women, this is nerve-wracking, because some guys might like that, some guys might not and reject them, and why it is scary is because sometimes, some guys flip out and become violent, even sometimes killing the trans woman.

And it is bullshit. There is no need for it. I have no sympathy for the soldier. So the fact she is a trans woman made him freak out? Okay. So he kills her? Bullshit and unjustifiable. If your reaction to a trans woman is that, you just have to have insecurities about your sexuality. Which is sad in itself. So much of the world believes that being gay or bi or lesbian or trans is bad, so when people have something rock the boat of their sense of sexuality, they completely freak out, and then sometimes become violent or murderous. Both Homosexuality and LGBT individuals are so vilified by so many, that for some people, if they end up questioning their sexuality at some points, they just freak out and lose their shit. It's sad.

[Yu Ominae]

As sad as that sounds, that's the thing NCIS and the Philippine National Police are running on.

Not sure if Pemberton has said anything ever since he's detained in Camp Aguinaldo.

[JokerD]

Originally Posted by Urzu 7

Well...yeah? This happens a lot with trans women. When a guy gets interested in them, they usually (before consenting for sex and before undressing) divulge to them the fact that they are a MtF trans woman. They aren't trying to trick them or deceive them. They run it by them to see if they are still interested in them, and for trans women, this is nerve-wracking, because some guys might like that, some guys might not and reject them, and why it is scary is because sometimes, some guys flip out and become violent, even sometimes killing the trans woman.

And it is bullshit. There is no need for it. I have no sympathy for the soldier. So the fact she is a trans woman made him freak out? Okay. So he kills her? Bullshit and unjustifiable. If your reaction to a trans woman is that, you just have to have insecurities about your sexuality. Which is sad in itself. So much of the world believes that being gay or bi or lesbian or trans is bad, so when people have something rock the boat of their sense of sexuality, they completely freak out, and then sometimes become violent or murderous. Both Homosexuality and LGBT individuals are so vilified by so many, that for some people, if they end up questioning their sexuality at some points, they just freak out and lose their shit. It's sad.

As bad as the crime sounds, are you declaring the person to be guilty before the trial? While it does make a good story, the only reason this made front page news is because the guy is a visiting military personal. He's now locked up in some camp somewhere because of protests. What about bail?
If it was a local or some privileged person who did it, would there be the same reaction?

[SaintessHeart]

Last U.S. Marines, British combat forces end Afghan operations, prepare withdrawal

Sorry Kyp/Xefi, let's hope you guys didn't go in there for nothing.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Last U.S. Marines, British combat forces end Afghan operations, prepare withdrawal

Sorry Kyp/Xefi, let's hope you guys didn't go in there for nothing.

Well at least now we learned that elections doesn't magically make a country stable.

We need to find a way to build a reliable and trusted legal system first. A pity there is no fast way of doing this other than outright military invasion and government subjugation. And that option is obviously off the table unless your name is Vladimir Putin.

[ganbaru]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Well at least now we learned that elections doesn't magically make a country stable.

We need to find a way to build a reliable and trusted legal system first. A pity there is no fast way of doing this other than outright military invasion and government subjugation. And that option is obviously off the table unless your name is Vladimir Putin.

The only was possible to pass directly from despotism to democracy is to live in a Civilization game. And the military only option isn't as effective as you may think.

[JokerD]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Well at least now we learned that elections doesn't magically make a country stable.

We need to find a way to build a reliable and trusted legal system first. A pity there is no fast way of doing this other than outright military invasion and government subjugation. And that option is obviously off the table unless your name is Vladimir Putin.

Err... soviet russia already tried that.
Anyway, politics can help only when it unites rather then divides. If the citizen vote according to what race or tribe they are from, there cannot be unity since the elected person will only work for that race/tribe in the constituency.

[maplehurry]

Originally Posted by JokerD

As bad as the crime sounds, are you declaring the person to be guilty before the trial? While it does make a good story, the only reason this made front page news is because the guy is a visiting military personal. He's now locked up in some camp somewhere because of protests. What about bail?
If it was a local or some privileged person who did it, would there be the same reaction?

You ain't allowed bail in some countries if you are charged of murder. Canada and US' more flexible but denial of bail can still happen.

As for the "overreaction", some people just tend to show their "xenophobic" side when shit happens that involve a foreigner.

[ganbaru]

Originally Posted by maplehurry

You ain't allowed bail in some countries if you are suspected of murder. Canada and US' more flexible but denial of bail can still happen.

The fact than they might fear than he could try to get out of the country (and out of reach of the local law) is a likely reason not to allow bail.

[Urzu 7]

Originally Posted by JokerD

As bad as the crime sounds, are you declaring the person to be guilty before the trial? While it does make a good story, the only reason this made front page news is because the guy is a visiting military personal. He's now locked up in some camp somewhere because of protests. What about bail?
If it was a local or some privileged person who did it, would there be the same reaction?

Well, I did go off on the presumption of him being guilty. Good point about how it is possible he is not guilty.

I haven't read many details on this incident. From what I read, it looks like this guy is guilty. However, yes, there has to be a trial, and also, maybe this is an instance where the media paints someone as guilty, inappropriately having a bias rather than forgoing it?

For any of you who know more about this incident, does it look like this guy is guilty, or is there some significant grounds for doubt? Either way, yes, it is important he has a trial.

[Yu Ominae]

He's the last person to meet up with the woman before she got killed after he went with her inside a motel. So yeah, PNP and NCIS are running this lead.

[Fireminer]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Well at least now we learned that elections doesn't magically make a country stable.

We need to find a way to build a reliable and trusted legal system first. A pity there is no fast way of doing this other than outright military invasion and government subjugation. And that option is obviously off the table unless your name is Vladimir Putin.

Well, they started unstably, so now everything is also the same.

And do you think that legal system is enough? I'm not saying like Confucius, but it's important to build a legal system that directly meddle with education.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Fireminer

Well, they started unstably, so now everything is also the same.

And do you think that legal system is enough? I'm not saying like Confucius, but it's important to build a legal system that directly meddle with education.

Well obviously having a legal system isn't the only thing you need. But a trusted legal system is needed in order to set a solid foundation for everything else; from elections to constitutions to secure commerce. Without a legal system, elections just won't be taken seriously. And elected leaders would have either no power or go crazy declaring himself emperor.

People need to trust the courts enough to sort things out peacefully, or we end up with Thailand's constant military coups despite having elections.
Amusing that the United States constantly have fringe elements demanding rebellious uprisings, yet it never went anywhere. While Thailand go into civil war at a drop of a hat. As I say, I believe the difference is the level of trust in the Courts.

[SaintessHeart]

I'll just make less then': Actor Chow Yun-fat responds to alleged PRC ban for supporting HK protests

He certainly has as big balls as he had shown in his characters on screen. He is certainly taking a huge gamble here.

Indeed he is the God of Gamblers.

[KiraYamatoFan]

Badass 'til the very end and he is the definition of a large ham!

Nevertheless, it's nice to see Chow Yun-Fat always on the side of his homeland unlike *cough* Jackie Chan. Based on that article, I'm glad to see that Chow's old friends Tony Leung and Andy Lau also voiced support for the protesters.