Code Geass - Manga Discussion Thread

[darthfury78]

have they released Chapter 6 yet?

[SonOfHeaven]

Spoiler for Ch.5:

Chapter five is out. The plot finally seems to be moving. The Lelouch look-a-like showed up at the end. I suppose C.C and himself are working against one another. The knightmare apparently is working for the Lelouch look-a-like.

Still have to wait on Renya. At this point Weinberg is more interesting as a character than Renya. Hopefully there be someone like Kallen in the future in terms of fighting skills.

[Sol Falling]

So, the person who interfered with Renya's Geass contract and instead made what C.C. gave him a curse seems to be the Lelouch lookalike.

[GundamFan0083]

Originally Posted by SonOfHeaven

Spoiler for Ch.5:

Chapter five is out. The plot finally seems to be moving. The Lelouch look-a-like showed up at the end. I suppose C.C and himself are working against one another. The knightmare apparently is working for the Lelouch look-a-like.

Still have to wait on Renya. At this point Weinberg is more interesting as a character than Renya. Hopefully there be someone like Kallen in the future in terms of fighting skills.

Thanks for the update.

Checked out Chapter 5, and I must say the Knightmare (Mesh) is certainly an intriguing character.

Although I'm curious;

Spoiler for Question about the Knightmare.:

Is Mesh supposed to be alive or a resurrected dead person?

[Syaoran-sama]

Chapter 6 general spoilers.

Spoiler:

On the 6th chapter, we have a parent of Sumeragi Isshin appearing nude on the first pages swearing revenge on his rival, Renya: a girl named Sumeragi Futaba. She's observing Renya and the others and ordered his minions to surround all of them and put an end on all of this "before Tokugawa makes its move".

Meanwhile, Alto talks about the "lack of motivations" Renya has to fight while mocking him and the others (with C.C.). Renya promptly admits this fault and then throws the responsability of everyone's death on Alto's shoulders, for which he excuses himself and bows down on the floor. Then, running from a swine and shouting for help, appears Futaba and her servant. Renya uses his power to take the animal down and Futaba recognizes it as an "Ayakashi's Power".

The chapter ends with Renya taking a glance on a knocked down Futaba.

Futaba thinks: "This is Renya... Isn't he a monster...?
Renya: "Huh? What's up...?"

[rinichan]

when is chapter 6 gonna be out?

[Syaoran-sama]

Chapter 7 general spoilers.

Spoiler:

Splash quote: Renya, the enemy of Isshin-sama! I'm going to take your life!!

Teaser: What will Renya, who saved Futaba, do now...!?

Renya turns back and gives his cloak to Futaba, who notices her breasts totally exposed. She screams so loud that her servants on the mobile shrine hear her. It's revealed by C.C. that Futaba is actually Sumeragi Isshin's younger sister. She says that she wants revenge for her dead brother, but Renya has no intention to fight a woman.

Futaba steals Angie's sword and tries to go after Renya, but is parried by Misuzu, who asks if she has no gratitude at all for who saved her. She tries to deflect Misuzu with a kick, but it's blocked by Shiori, who joins the fight suddenly. The battle goes on and Futaba's front is yet again exposed, which renders a mockery by Misuzu. Futaba somehow manages to take off Misuzu's shirt in response, and both of them keeping brawling with kicks being watched by Angie and Renya, who are confused and don't know how to intervene.

Meanwhile, Alto questions the boy who was with Futaba (and was dressed like her servant) about his conection with the whole affair. Flashback: he was throwed out by the swine and Futaba tried to confront it - but failed. C.C. says he's an idiot on her own special way. (笑) Alto asks what C.C. did with Renya, and she tells that she was merely accompanying Sumeragi Isshin's actions and, when she tried to make the contract, she was surprised by a nasty trick left by "a certain someone" that wants to be searched by her.

Renya leaves Angie taking care of the girls' fight and asks for the boys' name. He says that he's named Denshichirou and is from a village where a Tengu appeared. Futaba's reinforcement arrives and she goes out with a flashbang, swearing to take her revenge on Renya on the next time they meet even if he affords this so-called "Tengu" power.

Denshichirou stays with the group. He says that he doesn't know if that thing is a real Tengu, but it was called like that by the people of his village because it could fly freely through the air. C.C. and Alto promptly recognize it as "Messhu The Mesh". Alto notices that the Britannian camp was somewhere else and C.C. ponders about the possibility of having to wait to get out of the country. Denshichirou begs for their help and Renya asks him to guide them to where Messhu is.

The scene changes. An empty village with dead people holding swords and blood on the soil. Then, Carla is shown inconscious on the wood floor of a house, while Messhu meditates on the outside, awake. (Maybe he's recharging his energies?) Messhu says that if the natives want to go where he is now he'll utterly destroy them.

The chapter ends with Renya looking thoughtfully on a cliff with 3 big kunais on his belt, thinking about his need to go forward to find his own reasons to live.

Teaser: Anyway, before that...

About chapter 6, 7 and so on, you should ask an ETA for CxC Scans on their site. They are the ones doing the scanlations on english.

[Bonzo]

Renya chapter 7 is out and...

Well, japan mangakas always very skilled to mute a story in a idiocy.

[lightbringer]

They recycle character designs like there's no tomorrow, with the pretense that they're all "ancestors" of the TV series cast. And Renya is a rather annoying generic teenage brat. Honestly, after seven chapters, I see no other reason to read this except for the fact that it's in the Code Geass continuity.

[SonOfHeaven]

Originally Posted by lightbringer

They recycle character designs like there's no tomorrow, with the pretense that they're all "ancestors" of the TV series cast. And Renya is a rather annoying generic teenage brat. Honestly, after seven chapters, I see no other reason to read this except for the fact that it's in the Code Geass continuity.

I've lost much interest in the manga after every chapter so far. It just isn't that good in my opinion. Like I said before, Renya isn't that interesting of a character right now.

[Xander]

Well, it's just like what we've already discussed.

If this was adapted into an anime, chapter 7 would be around episode 3 or 4. Not too slow for a ridiculously long shounen fighting series but definitely slow for either season of Code Geass (whatever else you might say, they both had better introductions).

The manga is squarely aimed at teenagers and down, not teenagers and up. That's why we get fairly predictable superpowered martial arts fights and, by and large, a lot of ground that's already been covered by Naruto or Bleach instead of the things that made the property truly interesting to begin with. I'm still hoping the Code Geass Gaiden team ran off with all the good ideas though.

It's not objectively bad but simply very mediocre and currently lacking any pretense other than providing your standard action adventure. In that sense, Taniguchi was open about his intentions of making Renya's story "more shounen" than anything else...but, naturally, that doesn't have to mean people will necessarily enjoy it.

As previously said, Weinberg's a better character than Gino because he's at least entertaining...but Futaba apparently lacks Kaguya's interest in politics and replaces it with fanservice and a lot of kicks. Her "descendant" did have that childish crush on Lelouch/Zero but...it wasn't more than an occasional joke (and a very ironic one when she briefly showed up near the end of S1 and Lelouch rejected her). With Futaba, I'm not so sure if there's anything more to her character.

C.C.'s still cynical and mysterious, as you'd expect, but the rest of the cast is absolutely average, with Renya being barely fleshed out a little bit here and there while everyone else seems to remain static and the goal (rescuing Carla/Claire) is simultaneously so close and yet so far.

You can still see some vague hints of something better further down the road...C.C. herself has been a real tease during the last couple of chapters and Renya's power could end up causing him more problems than the easy ride we've seen so far. But, once again, this isn't exactly a good chapter by chapter read. The pacing's far too slow for a monthly release and it'll probably be another volume or two before things get real. Hopefully I'm being pessimistic.

Ironically, R2 may have suffered from trying to do too much too quickly thanks to the whole time slot debacle...but Renya suffers from not doing enough and having a glacial pace thanks to the release schedule. R2 still dealt with interesting ideas, even if it did so poorly, but Renya deals with uninteresting elements even if it's following a more rational and less rushed form of storytelling. You could say Taniguchi may know how to direct but Okouchi was the writer for a good reason.

[saya_leviathan]

For those who are wondering what's the status on Renya of the Darkness, here's some:
Code Geass Manga Artist Plans to Sue Blogger

Manga artist Tomomasa Takuma reported on Twitter on Monday that he talked with the publisher Kadokawa Shoten and a lawyer about a lawsuit against a blogger who criticized Takuma and Goro Taniguchi's Code Geass: Shikkoku no Renya manga.

Taniguchi, the director and story co-creator of the original Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion television anime series, created the manga spinoff's story concepts and is scripting the story. The manga is set in the same official Code Geass history as the anime, but in Japan's historical Edo era. The story begins when Renya, a 17-year-old boy with a mechanical left arm and shuriken-throwing skills, encounters a mysterious, perpetually young woman named "Reifū C.C."

The "Code Geass: Shikkoku no Renya no Tōyō to Settei Machigai ni Tsukkomu Blog" wrote several complaints about the Code Geass: Shikkoku no Renya manga. The most significant complaint that the blog makes is that the manga plagiarized Yagyū Reppūken Renya, a historical manga that Takashi Noguchi serialized in Shueisha's Weekly Shonen Jump magazine in 1992.

The Code Geass: Shikkoku no Renya manga is currently on hiatus, but Takuma said that the hiatus is unrelated to the blog. Takuma said that the hiatus is due to a private matter with his staff, so he can not disclose the reason.

On Tuesday, Takuma reported that he made arrangements and completed the paperwork with the lawyer for legal action. As of early Wednesday, he added that he will stop using Twitter for an indefinite period.

Besides Code Geass: Shikkoku no Renya, Takuma also drew the Code Geass: Nightmare of Nunnally and Kurogane Communication manga. He launched Code Geass: Shikkoku no Renya in Kadokawa Shoten's Weekly Shōnen Ace magazine.

[GundamFan0083]

Oh, looks like saya_leviathan beat me to it.
That's the legal battle I was talking about Lost Cause.

[Xander]

Originally Posted by GundamFan0083

Oh, looks like saya_leviathan beat me to it.
That's the legal battle I was talking about Lost Cause.

It's a pretty one-sided legal battle though, as far as we know, with Tomomasa Takuma being the one to sue a nameless person who apparently was more annoying than your average Internet troll, because he/she decided to practically harass him over even the most generic and superficial similarities. It's my understanding this issue wasn't limited to publishing a random blog post.

By this point in time, there's only so many ways you can draw an action sequence in a shounen manga featuring glorified ninjas, samurais and superpowered beings without intentionally or unintentionally reminding people of something someone else has already done. Context and whether the actual art was copied or traced, which doesn't seem to be the case at all, is what's actually important. I doubt anyone has a copyright over "grabbing someone by the neck" or "falling into the ground in a specific pose after being hit" and other common sequences or panel arrangements in a fighting manga.

If there's any serious resemblance to the story of "Yagyū Reppūken Renya" though, on a level that goes way beyond the above or the general events of the historical Edo period, then things might be different. Haven't seen any evidence yet, mind you, and the nameless blogger in question apparently used images from half a dozen unrelated manga instead of just that one.

But I would be far more worried if this was a battle between two different creators or companies instead of "manga artist vs. nameless person" because, once again, there has been no further news about the subject. Still, who knows what'll happen?

Ah well...didn't think I'd end up defending the Renya manga, in a way, but I guess it's a matter of principle.

In fact, that reminds me of this video where you can see a compilation of all the repetitive elements in anime OPs.

[darthfury78]

Originally Posted by Xander

Well, it's just like what we've already discussed.

Ironically, R2 may have suffered from trying to do too much too quickly thanks to the whole time slot debacle...but Renya suffers from not doing enough and having a glacial pace thanks to the release schedule. R2 still dealt with interesting ideas, even if it did so poorly, but Renya deals with uninteresting elements even if it's following a more rational and less rushed form of storytelling. You could say Taniguchi may know how to direct but Okouchi was the writer for a good reason.

Hi Xander,
Code Geass R2 will always be the stepchild of Season One. After reviewing both seasons, I came to the conclusion that Season Two is a repeat of Season One's plotline, aside from the ending. It's too bad that the original script was tossed into the garbage because of the timeslot change. It might have been the best season of all, since that version might have been a progression of the storyline, instead of the regression that we got.

As for the Manga, I haven't read it because it seems like a long introduction of the character. I'll wait for the good chapters to arrive.

[GundamFan0083]

Originally Posted by Xander

It's a pretty one-sided legal battle though, as far as we know, with Tomomasa Takuma being the one to sue a nameless person who apparently was more annoying than your average Internet troll, because he/she decided to practically harass him over even the most generic and superficial similarities. It's my understanding this issue wasn't limited to publishing a random blog post.

By this point in time, there's only so many ways you can draw an action sequence in a shounen manga featuring glorified ninjas, samurais and superpowered beings without intentionally or unintentionally reminding people of something someone else has already done. Context and whether the actual art was copied or traced, which doesn't seem to be the case at all, is what's actually important. I doubt anyone has a copyright over "grabbing someone by the neck" or "falling into the ground in a specific pose after being hit" and other common sequences or panel arrangements in a fighting manga.

If there's any serious resemblance to the story of "Yagyū Reppūken Renya" though, on a level that goes way beyond the above or the general events of the historical Edo period, then things might be different. Haven't seen any evidence yet, mind you, and the nameless blogger in question apparently used images from half a dozen unrelated manga instead of just that one.

But I would be far more worried if this was a battle between two different creators or companies instead of "manga artist vs. nameless person" because, once again, there has been no further news about the subject. Still, who knows what'll happen?

Ah well...didn't think I'd end up defending the Renya manga, in a way, but I guess it's a matter of principle.

In fact, that reminds me of this video where you can see a compilation of all the repetitive elements in anime OPs.

Wow, I haven't really been following this legal challenge.
But as you say, if there is more than just a passing resemblance then this could get rather interesting.

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by saya_leviathan

For those who are wondering what's the status on Renya of the Darkness, here's some:
Code Geass Manga Artist Plans to Sue Blogger

Wow. This Takuma guy sounds like a massive pussy.

[stardrago]

Hey, didn't CxC already posted chapter 8 already?

[saya_leviathan]

New Code Geass Manga Reimagines Lead as Convenience Store Clerk

The second issue of Kadokawa Shoten's 4-Koma Nano Ace magazine shipped on Monday with the first installment of Barcode Geass: Hanbai no Lelouch (Barcode Geass: Lelouch of the Sale), Nao Katō's new four-panel spinoff manga based on the Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion television anime series. The manga re-imagines the anime's title character Lelouch Lamperouge as a part-time convenience store worker. Code Geass script supervisor Ichiro Okouchi and director Goro Taniguchi are credited with the original story.

Convenience store worker?

[konart]

Originally Posted by saya_leviathan

New Code Geass Manga Reimagines Lead as Convenience Store Clerk



Convenience store worker?

why not?