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Perfect 10 | 27 | 32.53% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 43 | 51.81% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 8 | 9.64% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 6.02% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-06-24, 02:35 | Link #122 |
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Good episode, the possibility of Kugel being dead and Striker doing things in his name crossed my mind when Striker first appeared.
My theory for the last episode: The key that Gargantians have sends a signal to the portal that humans and hideauze used in the past, Ledo and Chamber can't destroy Striker so they plan to send it away from earth. They use all the power that's left and cross the portal with Striker, the Gargantians close the portal and Ledo, Chamber and Striker are lost forever (or they return to the GA or appear infront of the hideauze) Happy version: The same but Chamber ejects Ledo before he starts the plan so he can stay in Gargantia.
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2013-06-24, 02:54 | Link #124 | |
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It actually almost feels as if there were 4 or 5 different writers writing 4 or 5 completely different stories and then they tried to make them all converge somehow, without really know what the other writer wrote.
They have all these storylines that would have been great plots singularly, but they instead tried to have them all fit in a single cour show, thus every single one of them is only half done and everything becomes haphazard. This was a good episode, but this has been one off kilter show. I've come this far, I might as well see how it ends.
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2013-06-24, 03:43 | Link #125 | |
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This was a pretty good and satisfying penultimate episode. Good cliffhanger end that sets up what should be a solid finale.
This episode was somewhat predictable, but its overall execution was quite satisfying, so that largely made up for the predictability. I didn't really have a major problem with Chamber so easily going along with Ledo's decision to oppose Striker/Kugel. You could chalk it up to Chamber being programmed to be completely loyal to his pilot no matter what. Or, if you want, you could chalk it up to Chamber being smart enough to tell that something fishy was going on with Striker so that motivated him to take Ledo's position. Perhaps Chamber even feels that Gargantia's ways are ultimately more productive than the society that Striker has set up. In any event, I don't find it that hard to roll with. The biggest question mark for the finale is that key, and exactly what it will do. It adds a nice touch of uncertainty to what would otherwise be a perhaps overly predictable finale. Oh, I now expect a pretty happy ending here, but who knows what'll happen if and when that key is used. Quote:
Oh, it's possible that the final episode will delve a bit more back into this, but given that there's still a Striker that needs to be defeated, and a war to be won, and presumably some degree of an aftermath that includes Ledo happily reuniting with Amy and the rest of Gargantia, I doubt they'll have much time to squeeze in much more re-examination of the Hideauze. Ultimately, this story really is mostly about one teenager/young adult's journey into adulthood, and everything that entails. It's just done against a very fantastical and somewhat dark backdrop, fitting of Gen's writing style and taste. That being said, this show has been rather bloodless by Gen's standards, and I somehow doubt that the finale will get all that bloody. However, Gen wanted to write the first and the last episodes, and that along with this mysterious Key plot element does suggest to me that there could be a big surprise or two in the finale.
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2013-06-24, 05:02 | Link #127 | |
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Compare with those two, it's easy to see how much better it is on Gargantia without all the stupid inhibitions/restrictions/segregation. We don't know how the life is like as an Evolver, but I certainly would not want to live as part of the lifeless GA
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2013-06-24, 05:11 | Link #128 | |
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2013-06-24, 05:52 | Link #129 |
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Ledo:I decide, and you(Chamber)execute(my decisions)…
Assuming Striker operates on the same principle as well, could it mean that all of Striker’s actions in commanding its fleet and enforcing the cult was due to some dying command given by Kugel himself? Perhaps Kugel started the cult himself, and handed full responsibility to Striker before his death(if the long hair and stubble on Kugel’s corpse was any indication, I’d say he and Striker were out and about on Earth for quite some time before he died, given he was clean shaven and short-haired way back in Ep 1.) Or was Striker acting independently on its own, falling back on Alliance protocol and tradition to enforce order with the loss of its pilot? PS. Wonder if the squirrel following Ledo is male...if everything goes well, Grace's gonna get a new partner! |
2013-06-24, 05:55 | Link #130 |
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Striker's tech spec is waaay above Chamber. Not to mention the vastly superior add-ons such as energy rifle and double shoulder mounted missile pods.... Even with Ledo to pilot, Chamber was struggling all the time. I shudder to think if Kugel was still around to pilot Striker. Chamber would not have stood a chance!
I suspect the Gargantian Fleet key is the means to return to space. Will the Gargantians and Ledo seize the chance to reunite with their space brethren or will they continue to live their own existence on Earth? |
2013-06-24, 06:30 | Link #131 | |
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The first time Pinion appeared he immediately reminded me of early 60's teen heartthrob Edd Byrnes who played the role "Kookie" on a detective series called 77 Sunset Strip. Pinion had the same hairdo and the the same obsession with combing his lathered hair. Even though Byrnes couldn't sing a whit, a single was released with pop star Connie Stevens called "Kookie, Kookie, Lend Me Your Comb." Now this all happened decades ago so I doubt anyone associated with Gargantia knew about Byrnes when they designed Pinion, but you never know. Those girls in the audience are collecting Social Security today.
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2013-06-24, 07:26 | Link #136 | |||
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In the end it isn't much different from the "it was all a dream" which is now universally considered a poor plot device. Quote:
Ledo and Kugel weren't cultists, they had a mind of their own (proven by the fact that they both took independent actions), and Avalon is supposed to be an even less militarized place, so I have quite some difficulties at believing that the life in the alliance is the same as Striker's "ideal" society. Of course I agree that Striker's utopia isn't really much better than the Evolver's. Quote:
No it's definitely not a coincidence.
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2013-06-24, 07:54 | Link #137 |
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Maybe it wasn't a coincidence how Kamina's seiyuu was chosen for Pinion's role (like how it probably wasn't a coincidence how Squid Girl's seiyuu was chosen for the role of Amy).
A lot of people have noted similarities between Bellows and Yoko Littner, so there could be some shipping possibilities there. And on the previously linked Wikipedia article about bevels, did anyone notice another carpentry term in the first paragraph called "chamfer"? |
2013-06-24, 08:52 | Link #139 |
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I mentioned something similar yesterday. She seems to have more power, knowledge, & influence than I first thought from her episode 11 debut. I wouldn't be surprised if she turns out to be the cultists' final threat to Gargantia.
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