|
View Poll Results: Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha the Movie 2nd A's - Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 16 | 25.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 16 | 25.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 20.31% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 4.69% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 8 | 12.50% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 3.13% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 4 | 6.25% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 1.56% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 1.56% | |
Voters: 64. You may not vote on this poll |
|
Thread Tools |
2013-03-25, 21:47 | Link #681 | |
Left for TFF
Author
|
Quote:
I still go back to re-read the Sound Stages just to revisit their scenes.
__________________
|
|
2013-03-25, 22:16 | Link #683 | |
Senior Member
Author
|
I never knew that two nine/ten year old girls looking like total kendo/swordfighting badasses while they train against each other was "fluff".
I didn't like that scene because of NanoFate. "Romance" didn't even cross my mind there. I was thinking "Wow... these girls are amazingly good fighters!" Quote:
It's a harmless little scene that I really enjoyed, and thought had several positive qualities about it. I think it has excellent value for such a short scene.
__________________
|
|
2013-03-25, 22:18 | Link #684 |
Left for TFF
Author
|
We're only talking about it because we're trying to decide if it should remain or get removed.
And, really, if it was removed, would it hurt the narrative of the story over-all? I don't understand why people think that the stick fighting scene was good, but think that Nanoha losing her SLB scene from canon wasn't important.
__________________
|
2013-03-25, 22:28 | Link #685 | |||
Senior Member
Author
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Ok, tell you what, maybe I'll go back and rewatch certain Nanoha A's TV scenes to do a more comprehensive compare and contrast. In fairness, it has been a long time since I've watched the original Nanoha A's. So, here's your chance - Tell me what you think I should focus on (preferably by Episode number and section).
__________________
|
|||
2013-03-25, 22:32 | Link #686 |
Ass connoisseur
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Florida
Age: 37
|
This is another major difference we have. Most anime watchers are not critics. The bare narrative of details is all that's really needed for a series like A's. I certainly don't enjoy something based on how consistent it is to the narrative. That would make for a pretty boring ride if it never once detracted from it. What mostly matters is how memorable said scenes are. You think of that scene as pointless fluff, yet why is it pointless fluff to you? I don't see how Nanoha's determinator status is vital to the narrative, either. When she more than gets the point across without them. With the stick fighting, it at least shows she isn't just some helpless loli without the help of her device and barrier jacket. I expected to see that kind of skill from Fate since she's known to be very athletic, but not from Nanoha.
__________________
|
2013-03-25, 22:40 | Link #687 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Tennessee
Age: 36
|
Quote:
^ irl picture of me and Nanya after we bonded over our mutual affection for StrikerS. (I'm on the left) |
|
2013-03-26, 02:35 | Link #689 | |
Sleep beneath the flowers
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Lording above all of humanity >;3
Age: 34
|
Quote:
And well, yeah why not? Think about it. Who are the main characters of the Nanoha series? Takamachi Nanoha and Fate Testarossa. Who is a secondary character? Yuuno Scrya. He was a main character arguably in the first season, but he's been stuck into a supporting role since. Nanoha and Fate are indisputably the main characters of the series as a whole (Subaru is arguably another MC for StrikerS, and Tohma is another MC for Force... Vivio and Einhart being MCs for ViVid). And thinking on it, I don't see how this movie seemed to "pander" to Fate. It had all the key scenes that were already present in the original series to begin with. And aside from Nanoha blasting off a SLB despite a hand through her chest, no real scenes of note for Nanoha were removed at all. There's also the fact this is the first movie with Fate as a proper protagonist, and in a role as a (somewhat) normal girl - she was an antagonist at the start of 1st, and only jumped into a protagonist role near the very end, and in none of that was she characterized as acting like a "normal" person. So, much like A's did, this movie sought to show Fate acting more normal, and so it would of course have a bit more focus on her then Nanoha. We already know a lot of Nanoha from the first season/movie after all.
__________________
|
|
2013-03-26, 04:25 | Link #690 |
Left for TFF
Author
|
OKay, I really didn't want to do this, but I'm going to have to...
The 2nd movie suffers from the DBZ Main character syndrome. To elaborate, think about Dragonball Z after the Freeza saga, if you weren't a Saiyan, you really didn't do much. Sure, Piccolo got a few moments after he fused with Kami, but after Cell absorbed 17, he might as well had not even shown up. And even among the Saiyans, if you weren't named Goku or Gohan, you were just there as window dressing. It's one of the biggest complaints any fan of DBZ has, that none of the characters, other than Goku and Gohan, can DO anything other than be window dressing and show how tough the newest bad guys are. And think about this movie, only Nanoha and Fate (main characters) really did anything other than the antagonists. Is that what you really want? Nanoha to become DBZ when it comes to how it treats the characters?
__________________
|
2013-03-26, 05:06 | Link #692 |
Left for TFF
Author
|
And he still ended up being one of the few characters that could do anything to Majin Buu during the last saga.
Hell, newest DBZ movie has a new character kicking EVERYONE'S ass, yes, that includes Gohan, Gotenks, Majin Buu... kind of sad considering how strong they were in the final DBZ Arc... And Goku has to unlock a new power just to fight the guy. but, seriously, do you WANT the Nanoha franchise to go down the same road as DBZ for characters and write everyone not named Nanoha and Fate out to the point where you wonder why they even bother with new characters?
__________________
|
2013-03-26, 05:21 | Link #693 |
Senior Member
Author
|
I don't get the DBZ comparison at all, frankly.
StrikerS (and the Nanoha franchise since it) represents the complete opposite direction compared to DBZ. If anything, Nanoha goes too far the other way - Expanding its major protagonist cast to the point where its borderline unmanageable, and absolutely loaded with redundancy. Nanoha's problem is the Bleach problem, not the DBZ problem. If you want to know why characters like Chrono, Yuuno, and Alph have fallen largely (if not completely) into the background, that's much of the reason why. They're not one of the two main characters of the series, but nor are they "the shiny new toy". So inevitably they fall into the background. That being said, I was honestly impressed with how this movie handled Alph. Alpha got more screen-time and focus here than I can remember her getting in the Nanoha A's TV anime.
__________________
|
2013-03-26, 06:25 | Link #695 |
Ass connoisseur
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Florida
Age: 37
|
Doesn't "protagonist" strictly refer to the main character(s) who is(are) not an antagonist?
Anyways, there was Nachtwal. It took a group effort there.
__________________
Last edited by Demi.; 2013-03-26 at 06:43. |
2013-03-26, 07:01 | Link #696 | |||||
Adeptus Animus
Author
Join Date: Jan 2007
Age: 36
|
Quote:
Books and film are two different things. A book has different constraints when it comes to page-counts, but a series must adhere to a set number of minutes per episodes, and even for movies reaching the three hour mark is an extraordinary rarity (cinema's don't like long movies, since that'll mean they get to show less movies in a day). What you described is amusingly enough the average relationship between an editor and a director. Both sides will often want to strangle one another because of differing ideas. But while teh director will always hold the final say, editors are important to a director, and scenes will have to be cut one way or another. Otherwise you'd end up with four or five hour long movies. If not more. It's often a case of finding the middle ground. Quote:
Which is pretty much what we're suggesting here, only in favor of other characters. Most important among them Hayate and the Wolkenritter. Quote:
Quote:
Enjoying a scene doesn't make it any more or less relevant. That being said, it did have a purpose, as it served to signify their recovery. Similar to how Nanoha tried, and failed, to practice magic after being drained in A's. However, the scene came completely out of nowhere, especially in light of how her family owning a dojo was shafted in the previous movie. It wasn't a teribad scene, it was just "lolwut?" Would have used a magic exercise shot myself. Not just make Nanoha a staff fighter of Fate's level just to get a cool scene. Quote:
|
|||||
2013-03-26, 07:46 | Link #697 | |||||
Senior Member
Author
|
Agreed. I'm glad NanoFate was handled with some degree of restraint. Even if they do have a yuri crush on each other, it should be nothing more than puppy dog-style love at their age.
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
I definitely wouldn't want every last scene in this movie to directly tie into the Book of Darkness. Frankly, I would have found that a bit overwhelming. It's good to be reminded that there is life in the Nanoha-verse outside of dealing with the Book of Darkness. Quote:
__________________
|
|||||
2013-03-26, 08:04 | Link #698 | |
Banned
|
Quote:
That is the difference Nanya is pointing out between the series and movie. The series makes cartridges nice, but not totally necessary. The movie means anyone without them can go home. |
|
2013-03-26, 08:15 | Link #699 | |
Left for TFF
Author
|
Quote:
What I mean is, the characters got less and less important in Dragonball and Goku and Gohan had to be the heroes in both the series and the movies. (Bojack Unbound was really bad with this as Gohan ONLY could do something after going SS2 and only Trunks got a kill before that) One of the things that I loved about the Nanoha series is that the secondary and side characters, when shown in combat, were able to hold their own and pull their own weight. Season 1, we had Yuuno playing decoy on Arf right away, and after he went back to his human form, he was STILL able to hold his own by helping Nanoha with Jewel Seed monsters, teleporting Nanoha to help her save Fate, binding tornadoes over the ocean and helping to slow down and stop the robots Precia had. Chrono, remember how he said "screw this" and blasted his way through Precia's defenses like wet tissue paper? Remember how Nanoha was like "woah!" A's, we had Yuuno in the first fight holding off Vita, trying to undo the barrier they were in and even healing Nanoha. And Chrono managed to corner Shamal in canon. Subaru vs Ginga Teana vs Nove, Wendi, Deed Erio and Caro vs Lutecia and her summons in ALL of those instances, the secondary characters were holding their own and pulling their own weight while the Main Characters took care of the biggest problems. But, in the movie, that stuff was absent and Nanoha and Fate were the only ones shown to do anything. Does that make what Nanoha or Fate did in canon any less impressive? No! Of course not! I mean, shee, one of my favorite scenes from StrikerS was watching Blaster-3 Divine Buster punch through the Saint's Cradle and blow Quattro to hell and back. THAT was what I was talking about.
__________________
|
|
2013-03-26, 09:10 | Link #700 | |||||
Adeptus Animus
Author
Join Date: Jan 2007
Age: 36
|
Quote:
That's part of the complaint when it comes to people complaining about the Fate focus. Not because it is Fate getting development, but because it's Fate getting development by bleed-through plot of the previous movie. Case in point: There are very few people who complained about Fate developing a rivalry with Signum. Which is a rather significant growth for the previously "can barely talk to people" Fate. That's also why the Lotus Eater Dream stands out so much. It literally throws us back to the plot of the previous season/movie, while having next to no relation with the current one. It's a floating island of character development. Important for Fate, but also only for Fate. Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Please, Fate was trashing Nanoha in melee. Nanoha may have blocked the occasional blow, but she survived because of her spellcasting. We have never seen Nanoha do more than block attacks and take an extremely rare swing at enemies. Shields, binds and shooting attacks are Nanoha's area of strength. |
|||||
|
|