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Endscape · 2014-03-19, 09:26

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Originally Posted by GenesiD

I was thinking of getting into this series by watching the anime first, which covers the first five volumes and makes it easier to finish reading the rest of the volumes. Three episodes in and I already want to slap the hell out of Erica. She is so annoying. Please tell me she isn't this clueless about Godou's feelings for her in the light novel.

Err, I don't get your meaning. It's the other way around actually.

Hidfe · 2014-03-19, 09:43

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Originally Posted by GenesiD

I was thinking of getting into this series by watching the anime first, which covers the first five volumes and makes it easier to finish reading the rest of the volumes.

That plan is not going to work out. You would have to read Volume 3 and 5 anyway because too much is changed. They also left out certain stuff from the other ones.
In general the Anime is total garbage and shouldn't be even seen. Just start by Volume 1 if you have the intention to read the LN.

Ickarium · 2014-03-19, 10:39

I'd argue that the anime is pretty darn good, for what it is. There are definite changes, but the anime is hardly garbage by any stretch of the imagination.

Edited to Add: As for Erica, I'm not sure what you mean. Godou actually -does- like Erica, he just has, um, issues. The LN go into detail on why, more explicitly.

RpR1337 · 2014-03-19, 11:55

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Originally Posted by II Maestro

Looks like there will be another trouble from Doni that Godou will be participating in.

Doni's starting to get annoying

he might need one more ass whipping from Godou. And he's getting faster at regenerating to boot.
Please author, just let KotE kill dat idjit alredy! xD

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Originally Posted by Ickarium

I'm sorry. She's way too young for Godou, being twelve to his sixteen-seventeen. But Hikari is awesome. :P

Screw age limits! Hikari's the brightest out of all the girls, having not one single misfit of a characteristic. To be honest, even if Hikari's so young, I still enjoy reading about her time together with Godou the best (but, to be frank, and still be honest, the superficial vuw-vuw madness knight Liliana puts up quite the fight

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Originally Posted by GenesiD

I was thinking of getting into this series by watching the anime first, which covers the first five volumes and makes it easier to finish reading the rest of the volumes. Three episodes in and I already want to slap the hell out of Erica. She is so annoying. Please tell me she isn't this clueless about Godou's feelings for her in the light novel.

There are just a few misconceptions on what you said.
1. If you're trying to get into the series, I suggest you start with reading the novel in chronological order. It's easier to do it that way, and it's more fun imho. Also, do NOT skip the short story volumes (the "Seeking the legendary demon lord Campione" or whatever, the one with Fuyuhime in it still takes the cake for me). They're FUN. Totally worth the time.
2. It doesn't really cover the first five volumes, and that's exactly why I'm saying to start with reading the novels in chronological order. F.e. the first chronological volume (was it the 6th?) is given one damn episode, the first, to be exact, and most of what happens in episode one doesn't even have the slightest relation to that volume whatsoever. It's just a pilot episode for the series that has two common points with the novel: Godou meets Erica, and Godou kills Verethragna. And that's it. Virtually everything else is anime original.
3. Erica's not clueless. To be exact, she knows the most, being able to evaluate Godou's position the first time she goes to the Kusanagi residence, approximately five minutes into the game. She's also a devil in Prada, manipulating everything around her. So yeah, she's the farthest in the novel from being clueless. Although if you want to make a list of "clueless individuals", probably only Erica, Amakasu, Hikari, Ichirou and Kaoru wouldn't fit the bill. So get ready for one hell of a joyride sonny

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Originally Posted by Hidfe

In general the Anime is total garbage and shouldn't be even seen. Just start by Volume 1 if you have the intention to read the LN.

And as for you bro, you should try watching that anime again, not as an adaptation which mimicks the novels (which it admittedly isn't), but a 12 episode anime mostly based on the novels, with lots of original content. Believe me, it isn't a far fetched thing to say that it's an awesome series.
But whatever, saying it's "garbage" and "shouldn't be seen" ... well, I beg to differ. I love the novels, and have watched 820+ anime series (yeah, the exact numbers gave even me a fright), but rarely have I seen a series better than Campione!.

Kadi · 2014-03-19, 12:29

Well, I can't enjoy the anime... the action generally doesn't do it for me (too slow, talky, badly animated) and I can't get the characters' original characters out of my head, so they don't do it for me either... not to mention the lack of all the little jabs and overturned concepts that I see in Campione. That being said, on its own it may have been one of the better series that year. And that being said, I recommend starting with Vol 1 anyway. There are so many references and callbacks later on, it's a shame to miss them (even if quite a few are probably lost, given the current translation quality of the early volumes)

*back to translating, related to Campione, some... not exactly unrelated*

RpR1337 · 2014-03-19, 13:09

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Originally Posted by Kadi

Well, I can't enjoy the anime... the action generally doesn't do it for me (too slow, talky, badly animated) and I can't get the characters' original characters out of my head, so they don't do it for me either... not to mention the lack of all the little jabs and overturned concepts that I see in Campione. That being said, on its own it may have been one of the better series that year. And that being said, I recommend starting with Vol 1 anyway. There are so many references and callbacks later on, it's a shame to miss them (even if quite a few are probably lost, given the current translation quality of the early volumes)

*back to translating, related to Campione, some... not exactly unrelated*

Meh ... I've read the stuff in volume order twice, and read it in chronological order three times, so I can't really say how it's better. I've had too much free time these three years. About damn time to get my diploma for doing almost nothing

Ickarium · 2014-03-19, 13:17

I'm boggling at someone saying Campione! overturns concepts, really. It's pretty standard in most respects. It's /fun/ and entertaining, but there's really nothing particuarly subversive about it. It follows nearly all the usual shonen harem tropes.

Endscape · 2014-03-19, 13:56

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Originally Posted by Ickarium

I'm boggling at someone saying Campione! overturns concepts, really. It's pretty standard in most respects. It's /fun/ and entertaining, but there's really nothing particuarly subversive about it. It follows nearly all the usual shonen harem tropes.

Not really. Campione does subvert certain popular tropes, especially the Campiones themselves. It's not an outright deconstruction, but that's not the only way to subvert things.

Kadi · 2014-03-19, 14:15

Campione expressly makes fun of shounen power-up source number one, "power-ups through love/wanting to protect," and does away with power levels (for gods/campione) and training... that's pretty fundamental, I think. Then there's other stuff, too, that I'm too lazy to remember.

Okay, usually I phrase what Campione does as "poke fun at ~~", but my head is currently elsewhere~~ So sue me

Feng Lengshun · 2014-03-20, 01:50

Spoiler for On the Series, LN and Anime:

On the anime, it's actually pretty okay. Not entirely bad, as a story of course, not an adaptation (granted, it's as an LN story, not stories in general). The music was pretty good, especially the ED, Golden Sword, and Campione. The talky-ness is more of an artifact of the original material. If the original didn't make it that complicated, it wouldn't need it but then it would have also been a different story, hence it cannot be helped. The relationshipping... was forced. Again, artifact of the original AND the fact that the didn't have time to make it better. One thing I do dislike of the anime though is the Early-Bird Cameo part and the fact that Athena probably won't be developed.

On Erica, I would in fact argue that it would have been better had it was just her alone as Godou's lover. It could be a great romance and drama. I find that of all of the girls, she's the one most emotionally connected with Godou and is the one most interesting of them all. The rest of the girls aren't as "essential" as her in the bigger picture of the story, and could be substituted in one way or another (not that I'm saying all of them are bad per se, just somewhat poorly written and developed). It feels like the other girls are included because of trend and the plot was then made to suit that, instead of the other way around.

Reading the novel, it's really one's choice whether one wants it chronological by story or publication. One hand, the publication order gives some build up for Erica, but it can be unbearable sometimes. Another hand, reading it in the correct story order might make one disappointed by the rest of the volumes until... 10 or 12th Volume. It's more of a personal thing really, speaking as someone who had quite recently (read: a few months ago) re-read the story after forgetting the details, I for one felt that the rest of the volumes up till volume 9 or so didn't really live up to the first two volumes in terms of story. But that's just me. Really, it's more of a personal choice.

Spoiler for On Campione's powers and tropes:

Vezon · 2014-03-20, 08:10

Another update. It was nice to see old man Zamparini. He really is desperate to get Godou favor!

II Maestro · 2014-03-20, 09:01

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I've been inspired slightly to resolve myself to escape the next time I see her.

Shizuka is scary to think that a misogynist such as Yinghua would run away if he sees her.

Hahaha ... Old Man Zamparini is amazing offering his granddaughter to Godou despite turning two here I thought Hikari would be the youngest in his harem.

Looking forward to Erica, Yuri, Liliana, & Ena's reaction to Old Man Zamparini offering his granddaughter to get Kusanagi Godou's influence.

bakapervert · 2014-03-20, 09:50

^ I think Yinghua's reaction is more because of who Shizuka's brother is.

Endscape · 2014-03-20, 10:07

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Originally Posted by bakapervert

^ I think Yinghua's reaction is more because of who Shizuka's brother is.

That's part of it, but there wouldn't be an issue if Shizuka wasn't that kind of person to begin with.

Anyway, Zamparini is as ridiculous as always, making sure to set up future influence with Godou.

Looking at this update, I'm reminded again that in a certain way Doni really is the most reasonable Campione after all...

II Maestro · 2014-03-20, 10:20

Rather than Godou becoming a lover he will instead become a baby-sitter of Zamparini's granddaughter.

Trung-t-rung · 2014-03-21, 05:06

Part 5 is on now. Thanks, zzhk.
Damn, Godou is able to resist Erica once more. Even though he is just a moment away from doing the deed.

Vezon · 2014-03-21, 05:06

Woo hoo! Another update!
Oh my! what a development between Godou and Erica. It's so sweet, so unbearable sweet!!!

Chris38 · 2014-03-21, 06:01

Yeah, the latest update definitely has some nice Erica X Godou moment.

And while he managed to barely resist the temptation ... to me his resistance is definitely starting to crumble ... so the question is .... when he is going to fail to resist them

Since, I think it's only a matter of time

bakapervert · 2014-03-21, 08:29

^ What resistance? He definitely already throw away and destroy all that bullshit about being 'just friend' with the girls. Now the only obstacle before Godou can cross the line is only his immature self, he feel he still need to grow some more before he can really give up to temptation and not dulling his fang in the process.

Vezon · 2014-03-21, 08:38

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Originally Posted by bakapervert

^ What resistance? He definitely already throw away and destroy all that bullshit about being 'just friend' with the girls. Now the only obstacle before Godou can cross the line is only his immature self, he feel he still need to grow some more before he can really give up to temptation and not dulling his fang in the process.

Godou acting appropriate after all he only 16 and only known Erica for not even a year. To ask Erica to wait is pretty mature imo.

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Ickarium Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013	I'd argue that the anime is pretty darn good, for what it is. There are definite changes, but the anime is hardly garbage by any stretch of the imagination. Edited to Add: As for Erica, I'm not sure what you mean. Godou actually -does- like Erica, he just has, um, issues. The LN go into detail on why, more explicitly. __________________

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Ickarium Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013	I'm boggling at someone saying Campione! overturns concepts, really. It's pretty standard in most respects. It's /fun/ and entertaining, but there's really nothing particuarly subversive about it. It follows nearly all the usual shonen harem tropes. __________________

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Feng Lengshun Old Wine Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: In my Body	Spoiler for On the Series, LN and Anime: On the anime, it's actually pretty okay. Not entirely bad, as a story of course, not an adaptation (granted, it's as an LN story, not stories in general). The music was pretty good, especially the ED, Golden Sword, and Campione. The talky-ness is more of an artifact of the original material. If the original didn't make it that complicated, it wouldn't need it but then it would have also been a different story, hence it cannot be helped. The relationshipping... was forced. Again, artifact of the original AND the fact that the didn't have time to make it better. One thing I do dislike of the anime though is the Early-Bird Cameo part and the fact that Athena probably won't be developed. On Erica, I would in fact argue that it would have been better had it was just her alone as Godou's lover. It could be a great romance and drama. I find that of all of the girls, she's the one most emotionally connected with Godou and is the one most interesting of them all. The rest of the girls aren't as "essential" as her in the bigger picture of the story, and could be substituted in one way or another (not that I'm saying all of them are bad per se, just somewhat poorly written and developed). It feels like the other girls are included because of trend and the plot was then made to suit that, instead of the other way around. Reading the novel, it's really one's choice whether one wants it chronological by story or publication. One hand, the publication order gives some build up for Erica, but it can be unbearable sometimes. Another hand, reading it in the correct story order might make one disappointed by the rest of the volumes until... 10 or 12th Volume. It's more of a personal thing really, speaking as someone who had quite recently (read: a few months ago) re-read the story after forgetting the details, I for one felt that the rest of the volumes up till volume 9 or so didn't really live up to the first two volumes in terms of story. But that's just me. Really, it's more of a personal choice. Spoiler for On Campione's powers and tropes: All of you are wrong on subversion thing. Campione!'s stance on tropes are simple: Play with them. Some are played straight, some are exaggerated or maybe downplayed, others are... variable. It is interesting in a way, but it's not executed well enough. One would only notice it after analyzing it deeply, but with how messy it was, it didn't really felt "astonishing". It's okay, it made the series somewhat unique, but it really didn't stand out because of it. Genre-wise though, Campione!'s in-between Shounen and Seinen but more leaning towards Shounen. The power growth though felt more like something out of an RPG. Not those JADG (Japanese Action-Adventure Game--you can give it statistics but you can't call it a Role-Playing Game without being actually able to control the characters' choice) but more like Skyrim. The protagonist learns slowly and through practice rather than through shonen power-up BS. It just that the Campione, for the skills that they actively use, they have so high of a level that they can't gain any extra levels in them except through using it against enemies of absurdly high level. It didn't help that their absurdly high stats and skills allows them to bulldoze their way through any problems through only one approach, and they also have some really broken perks (like "Always Natural 20 Rolls" perk of theirs). It's not that they can't get stronger through training, it's that their only way of training is through battling extra bosses. __________________ *A Really* Extensive Guide on Making a Story, OCs, and Characterizations.**

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Vezon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Living	Another update. It was nice to see old man Zamparini. He really is desperate to get Godou favor! __________________ "And you still haven't answered any of my one-hundred ten questions, or my follow ups." -Vezon, Destiny War

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II Maestro Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Data World	Rather than Godou becoming a lover he will instead become a baby-sitter of Zamparini's granddaughter. __________________

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Kadi 知識の探求者 Join Date: Feb 2012	Well, I can't enjoy the anime... the action generally doesn't do it for me (too slow, talky, badly animated) and I can't get the characters' original characters out of my head, so they don't do it for me either... not to mention the lack of all the little jabs and overturned concepts that I see in Campione. That being said, on its own it may have been one of the better series that year. And that being said, I recommend starting with Vol 1 anyway. There are so many references and callbacks later on, it's a shame to miss them (even if quite a few are probably lost, given the current translation quality of the early volumes) back to translating, related to Campione, some... not exactly unrelated

2014-03-19, 14:15	Link #9829
Kadi 知識の探求者 Join Date: Feb 2012	Campione expressly makes fun of shounen power-up source number one, "power-ups through love/wanting to protect," and does away with power levels (for gods/campione) and training... that's pretty fundamental, I think. Then there's other stuff, too, that I'm too lazy to remember. Okay, usually I phrase what Campione does as "poke fun at ~~", but my head is currently elsewhere~~ So sue me

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bakapervert A pervert Join Date: Oct 2012	^ I think Yinghua's reaction is more because of who Shizuka's brother is.

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Trung-t-rung Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013	Part 5 is on now. Thanks, zzhk. Damn, Godou is able to resist Erica once more. Even though he is just a moment away from doing the deed.

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Vezon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Living	Woo hoo! Another update! Oh my! what a development between Godou and Erica. It's so sweet, so unbearable sweet!!! __________________ "And you still haven't answered any of my one-hundred ten questions, or my follow ups." -Vezon, Destiny War

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Chris38 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Poland Age: 38	Yeah, the latest update definitely has some nice Erica X Godou moment. And while he managed to barely resist the temptation ... to me his resistance is definitely starting to crumble ... so the question is .... when he is going to fail to resist them Since, I think it's only a matter of time

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bakapervert A pervert Join Date: Oct 2012	^ What resistance? He definitely already throw away and destroy all that bullshit about being 'just friend' with the girls. Now the only obstacle before Godou can cross the line is only his immature self, he feel he still need to grow some more before he can really give up to temptation and not dulling his fang in the process.