2007-08-30, 09:51 | Link #1422 |
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Or Chinese. Most of the Japanese stuff, if popular enough, are usually translated in an instant. (Chinese subbers work at mad speed. They can sub an entire 3 episode OVA in one day, and there's only 2 members! And if not worse, I've seen people take scenes out from an erogame and turn it into a 4 episode OVA which fooled everyone into thinking there's an anime of it... no idea how they did it...)
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2007-08-30, 10:42 | Link #1423 |
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Hello. I have a question about Fate/hollow ataraxia...
I haven't played it because I hate erogames and also because I wouldn't understand it (isn't translated yet)... But I want to ask this... Is it true that Rider has fallen in love with Sakura there? |
2007-08-30, 10:53 | Link #1424 | |
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Story in short, Part 1 of Vol 1 is more than halfway through when term started, and due to some poor syllabus planning that I couldn't do anything about, I am now taking Linear Algebra I+II and Quantum Mechanics all in the same semester *tasukete... T_T* I'll pick up where I left off once I can, since studying Quantum Mechanics requires a good grounding in Linear Algebra II, which obviously has Linear Algebra I as a prerequisite (and don't ask me how I ended up doing all 3 simultaneously >.<). Some of the terms totally escape me though, and none of the dictionaries I have (or online translators) are able to help. I admit I am rather limited on the vocab side... |
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2007-09-06, 21:01 | Link #1425 | |
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I haven't played the actual game though, so I wouldn't know if I'm right or not. On a related note, about the 'child VS father' thing...are you referring to what Gilgamesh talked about? I would think that'd be a more linear progression. The Holy Grail just created a copy of the Heroic Spirit 'Gilgamesh' to summon for the 4th HF. The copy of Gilgamesh stemmed from Gilgamesh the Heroic Spirit, not the Holy Grail. I guess an analogy would be like saying Caliburn, as a Noble Phantasm, is superior to 5th HF's Archer. Archer creates Caliburn; Caliburn is the 'child' of Archer. However, because Caliburn, as a Noble Phantasm, didn't stem from Archer, but rather the sword 'Gram,' it can still be stronger than Archer. Do you get what I'm saying? Also, I've got a question. Anybody know how to access the fuyuki wiki right now? I had an archived version of it, but it's not working atm, and obviously, the original is baleeted. Last edited by Lukannon; 2007-09-06 at 21:06. Reason: forgot |
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2007-09-07, 15:17 | Link #1427 | |||||
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And I think I said this before, but a definition of 'strength' would be most useful here. It's obvious Servants can destroy the Holy Grail. Saber alone did it twice, and Ea's stronger than Excalibur. Do I believe that the Holy Grail is weaker? No. So it's kind of a slippery slope in and of itself to be talking about who is stronger than the Holy Grail. Quote:
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2007-09-07, 18:08 | Link #1428 | |||||
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Secondly, you misunderstand the concept. The legend of Caliburn derives from the legend of Gram, so therefore it is considered an "offspring" of it (and thus weaker). Then Archer's copy will be weaker than the original, since it is only a copy. The user of the weapon itself is rather irrelevant to this "father-son" concept. Quote:
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2007-09-08, 04:27 | Link #1429 |
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Well just because you're stronger doesn't mean you can't be destroyed by the weaker. *Points at the Archer>Gilgamesh>Berserker triangle*
As for Archer creating strong swords...there's no saying 'which sword is stronger'. If you let Shirou hold Excalibur and Saber hold a wooden sword, who would win? The answer is simple. Therefore, how 'strong' a weapon is determined by the wielder, not the weapon itself. The 'strong' we usually talk about weapons is how much potential it can unleash of the wielder. Excalibur is 'strong' because it has the potential to release a beam cannon if the wielder feeds it enough mana and is named Saber. The wooden sword is 'weak' because even if Saber channels excess mana into it, it will break due to bad structure. T-Moon wiki? Where? Where? |
2007-09-08, 13:21 | Link #1430 | |
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2007-09-08, 19:24 | Link #1431 | |
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A magician doesn't need to be extremely strong to create a weapon. They need to be strong to create the materials, but if the materials are all present, there is no much effort needed when making the blades. You can't compare a person with a weapon. You can compare a weapon with another weapon, but if you ignore the materials bit, the only difficulty lies in complexity, which is an extremely easy job for Shirou/Archer to solve. (come on a sword can't be more complicated than a heater can it?) And with their Reality Marble providing them all the materials needed, tracing is made easy for them. As for "successor is weaker than the predecessor"...can you explain a bit more in detail what are you trying to express? Examples please, if possible. |
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2007-09-08, 21:04 | Link #1432 | |||||
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Although with the new definition of 'stronger,' it's gotten to the point where I don't even know what I'm arguing anymore. Quote:
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EDIT: On the sword debate, I'm just butting in for the heck of it. Don't take my stuff at face value, since Archer obviously knows a lot more than me and will likely make me look like an idiot if I'm being one. That wasn't sarcasm, just in case. A weapon inherently has power. The user is the one that determines the actual outcome of the battle, but weapons are inherently superior and inferior to one another. It's not a matter of 'the weapon is only a conduit for the user's potential.' The weapon has its own advantages and disadvantages that it brings. Those advantages and disadvantages are its 'strength.' Although in the case of Noble Phantasms, it's really the strength of the legend more than the weapon's actual attributes, I guess, so meh. The 'successor VS predecessor' is the 'father vs son' thing you were talking about with the Holy Grail. A bit ironic. Gram VS Caliburn and stuff. And I'd think it plausible that a high-quality sword(folded steel, etc.) could be more complicated than a heater, but I really don't wanna get into that. Last edited by Lukannon; 2007-09-08 at 21:16. |
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2007-09-09, 03:38 | Link #1433 |
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Ahh. So I see the problem here. You're one of the believer that weapons have their own souls/poiwer while I'm one of the believers that a weapon is just a weapon, a power transformer which can allow the user to increase their output. We're on a different channel, no wonder no wonder.
Well let's follow your case, if a weapon has its own power, yes, then it'll be impossible for Shirou to reproduce it in the first place. But then how can you explain about Shirou tracing all the powerful weapons in the first place? And the 'successor VS predecessor' is applied in a improper place here. Shirou and Archer are NOT the father of the weapons. They're only the forger of the fakes. The father of the weapons are the original ones in Gilgamesh's treasure box. ALL the weapons they trace are weaker than the original because it's a fake. Even if you give Shirou and Archer ten times of the mana they can still create a wooden sword with crapper quality than the original one. But if Shirou really want, he can still use the fake weapons with the same power output of the original by using broken phantasm... And a high quality sword, can be a little bit complex, but a heater still more complex than it. I knew that because my master is a weapon smith and I'm studying materials :P |
2007-09-09, 09:54 | Link #1434 |
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Since your master is a weapon smith, can you tell me uh.... at the end of the blade and in the hilt, the piece that holds the blade and the hilt together, is it just a long piece of skinny metal the size of pencil but longer? I bought 2 swords that broke because that part was poorly forged.
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2007-09-09, 10:40 | Link #1435 | |
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2007-09-09, 16:01 | Link #1436 |
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How do i continue after the fate route?
Hi, I just completed the fate route in f/sn. So I wonder how do I play the UBW route? I got this message at the end, play from day 3 or something, and then the game saves, but I can`t see any new saves. Just wonder how to get it started , cuz I really want play all the routes. Please someone help a noob like me.
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2007-09-09, 17:38 | Link #1437 | ||||
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It's not even a matter of 'soul/power' of a Noble Phantasm; every weapon inherently has attributes that are going to be labeled as 'power.' To use a classic example, the average fielded katana is inherently more powerful than the average fielded longsword(by fielded I mean actually made for use in the proper era). It isn't a matter of it being better at drawing out the user's skill; it's more durable, better balanced, cuts better, etc. Unless your belief is that the weapon is like a 'function,' where it's something like f(user's strength) = end result. But that's just ridiculous. Quote:
From what I gathered, normally, the Projections are inefficient because not everything is internalized, and Reinforcing an existing object to an equivalent state would be a better use of mana. And Shiro is unique in that while Projecting, he can imagine every internal and external aspect of the weapon for a perfect(well, near-perfect) replication. Quote:
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So you're probably right, in hindsight. |
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2007-09-09, 20:45 | Link #1438 | |
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2007-09-10, 06:36 | Link #1439 |
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I`m actualy just wondering how I start the UBW scenario. Just finished the fate route (sabers route) , but I can`t seem to find any new routes..
After then FIN screen , it says saved as [f4] ,lower right corner. But , what does that mean, I see no save.. |
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