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Old 2016-06-10, 23:13   Link #361
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Also, that assumes that Miho is the type to teach or make people grow via such direct means. She's not, nor have we ever seen her have such thoughts throughout the entire series.

Miho is not the patronizing type of person, and most of the friends she met via Senshado she met because of her rather low-key charisma and her tactical acumen, rather than her meddling in their lives to teach them some Aesop.

So no, I can't really see Miho doing something like "teaching" Alice anything by winning and having the museum close down, since how would Miho know anything about Alice at this point, apart from being a young prodigy who also likes Boko? Besides, from Miho's PoV, Alice has no issues that she needs to be taking care of, or personality problems that need fixing ( and most people here would actually say the same despite our view as the audience) because Miho does not know Alice well enough yet to make that kind of judgement, and even if she did we know Miho would not do so for that reason. So Miho suddenly accepting closing down the Boko museum for the motive of making Alice grow as a character is very, very silly to even be considered. She would accept the Boko Museum closing down if it was an inevitable thing due to lack of funds and what not, but using it as a vehicle for someone else's character growth, someone she doesn't know very well? Not happening.
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Old 2016-06-11, 00:50   Link #362
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Indeed Miho is not the type to directly force people to grow. The series itself chooses to demonstrate this early on with the Rabbit Team. During their practice match against St. Gloriana they do one of the worst things you can do as a teammate in a competitive team sport. They completely gave up on and abandoned their team by running away. They didn't so much as even try to help their team win.

Not once does Miho confront them about their actions. Not once does she berate and lecture them for what they did. After they ran, the rabbits watched the rest of the match unfold, saw how hard their commander fought to a near victory against difficult odds, and all on their own realized they had made a terrible mistake. That they were wrong.

All on their own they both collectively apologize for their terrible decisions and as we see moving forward actively work to improve themselves into becoming a valuable asset to the team. The series could have easily written in some inter-crew melodrama, but chose not to and I'm so grateful for that.
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Old 2016-06-11, 00:55   Link #363
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First, though Myssa says she's not listening anymore, her comment deserves a response.

YES, I agree Miho will be quite saddened if the side effect of her winning and the school staying open is that on the side a Boko-museum has to close. I think she will have this emotion even if she had no particular interest in Boko. However, that's not the way to approach the problem.

The question should be, will Miho be even MORE saddened if she ever found out that because the Boko museum stayed open, her friend Alice lost a chance to grow.

In reality, Miho has no power to open or close the Boko museum for any purpose, so it is not clear how THAT mis-reading came about.

However, if she's offered TWO futures, one in which the Boko museum stays open but Alice doesn't grow and stays in a rather sad state and a future in which Boko museum closes but Alice grows in a favorable direction, and she must pick one.

Are both of you really going to tell me Miho (or you for the matter) will pick the former future? Wouldn't THAT be selling Miho a bit short, saying she will choose a museum over her friend's growth?
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Old 2016-06-11, 01:11   Link #364
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You have some sort of weird concept about Miho. She doesn't control people's growth. She doesn't choose it. If someone were to try to offer her that choice she'd probably look at them as if they had two heads. She's not some puppetmaster who decides how people's lives should proceed. People who grow around her do so on their own, just from seeing her example and admiring it. She isn't trying to make anyone change, nor would she want to. You're trying to ascribe a personality to Miho that is completely alien to her.

Also, you refer to Alice being in a "sad state," but she's already a university student at the age of 12. She's not lacking in her ability to live life. Also... dude, she's 12. There is no harm in her liking that stuffed animal the way she does.
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Old 2016-06-11, 01:38   Link #365
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If someone were to try to offer her that choice she'd probably look at them as if they had two heads.
You guys seem very insistent on turning it into a "Will Miho control others" question rather than a question about Miho's values, whether she'll value the museum more or her friend's growth.

By the way, when I was talking about Alice's state, I was not talking about her intellect. In fact, her intellect, which is supposed to be university level, only makes the state of her Values & Ethics system sadder.

And I must admit, at a level, I don't understand this vigorous defense of Alice.

Maybe I'm misreading you, but it isn't even like you guys don't think her actions have a problem. Notice that it always seems to be "little girl". If her decision is ethically OK, it'll be an ethically defensible decision if she's 20, wouldn't it? A 20 year old is ethical at a higher level, but a 13-year old should be able to make "right /wrong" decisions almost as correctly as 20, just with a more primitive substantiation due to less developed frontal lobes.

And about overthinking, doesn't that mean you guys have computed far enough yourselves to start to see the end of the tunnel, and it looks pretty black? If it looks white, wouldn't you compute to the final step, confirm it is white and just tell me how I'm so wrong and I made my mistake because I ignored this factor or that factor?
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Old 2016-06-11, 01:46   Link #366
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And I must admit, at a level, I don't understand this vigorous defense of Alice.
More like, I don't understand how could you love to stir shit up where it doesn't exist this much. Overthinking is an understatement. At this point I would call it paranoid thinking.
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Old 2016-06-11, 02:26   Link #367
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And I must admit, at a level, I don't understand this vigorous defense of Alice.

Maybe I'm misreading you, but it isn't even like you guys don't think her actions have a problem.
I don't understand this vigorous attack on her. And no, as far as I can tell she hasn't done anything wrong. She was playing the sport and leading her team using the resources under her command, just as Miho did with her team. Don't try to tell me that if Oarai had managed to acquire one of those Karl artillery units that they wouldn't have used it: I'll call you a liar to your face. Each team fielded all the units they believed best suited to defeat their enemy. None of them violated the rules, none of them undermined their opponent's ability to fight, although Alice would have been justified by the rules in preventing Oarai from accepting the reinforcements from the "transfer students." She didn't do that, because she wasn't there to cheat: she was there to play the sport. And part of the sport can involve having better resources than your opponent. This is not cheating, nor is it unique. There are sports in the real world where this can be the case, including tournament sports, played on an international level, where millions of dollars of prize money can be at stake.

Alice played completely fair. She didn't do anything that wasn't perfectly legitimate, and avoided doing some things that were legitimate but which would have put her opponent at a completely unfair numerical disadvantage. She simply played the sport.

And if you're complaining about her mental stability because she likes stuffed animals, you're being stupid. Again, she's twelve years old. She can do that. It's allowed. Miho is several years older than her, and holds that stuffed bear in similarly high regard, and there's no danger in her psyche.

Alice is fine. She's not crazy, she's not obsessed, she's not malicious, she's not evil, she's not harmful, she has not done anything wrong to deserve punishment, and frankly I think there are better things you could be doing with your time than trying to condemn innocent people.
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Old 2016-06-11, 03:22   Link #368
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My thinking is, that museum was promised to Alice for winning (which let's face it considering what she had was a pretty low bar). Since she did not, given the atmosphere this show has already set up, overall shutting it down is the better move - plus it does have the character development advantage.
It's just Alice think the museum will get shut down, it's not like it is really going to be so.
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Also, they can always leave it blank, and people like you can imagine the museum was saved if it makes you happy, and people like me can imagine the museum went down as planned if it makes me happy. People who unlike me, have no bone to grind about UST have also asked about that museum.

Here's my question. Do you think Miho will be willing to accept the shut down of that Boko Museum if it means Alice will grow a little more from this incident? I'd like to think she would. Boko is a beloved, but nevertheless small part of Miho's life - I think she'll care about Alice's growth a bit more.
But Miho intentionally let others beat her up to sustain Alice's fantasy in Boco bear
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Here's the thing: In Japan, any form of officially skipping grades is extraordinarily difficult compared to how it is in say the United States. And of the two forms, jumping into a university is actually easier than jumping into high school because the former is governed by a Ministerial Order while the latter is by Legislative Act. So Alice going straight into university without spending any time in middle or high is in a Japanese context, realistic.
no one say she skipped middle school too
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I'm not sure if the writing staff was completely cognizant of these technicalities, and we can of course say GuP Japan is a little different, but there must a sense of how hard and how exceptional Alice's case must be. From this viewpoint, Chiyo-mama must have jumped through a bunch of loops and cut deals just to get Alice to university. And then our little Alice pouts "Mummy, I want to go to High School." At this point, I start feeling a bit sorry for Chiyo.


I don't even know what hoops Chiyo-mama jumped through this time, or whether everyone conspired to allow a victimless illegality pass. Anyway, again the world bends over for our princess, and she abandons her UST team, which are loyal to her and did give their very best for her. What, Alice, how can you do this?
IMO the exceptionality shall be mainly depend on Alice's personal quantity...
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And here's another thing ... according to the present continuity, Alice's obsession with High Schools will turn out to be short lived. We have to fit in Drama CD5 Track 6 which was about Megumi, Azumi and Rumi bonding with Alice and promising to make hamburger with eggs with her (apparently, the three of them will have to learn how to do it themselves first ) and then we have to work in the still uncontradicted Little Army II continuity which says by winter break, Alice will definitely be a university student again. A few days, maybe a few weeks, and she'll be back at university.
No one say drama cd happen after ova?
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Old 2016-06-11, 03:48   Link #369
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I don't understand this vigorous attack on her.
All right, given what you've written, it might be reasonable for you to not understand. I've actually shared much of this already with LoweGear, but do give me a chance to explain my point of view to you.

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None of them violated the rules, none of them undermined their opponent's ability to fight, although Alice would have been justified by the rules in preventing Oarai from accepting the reinforcements from the "transfer students." She didn't do that, because she wasn't there to cheat: she was there to play the sport.
Now you insult me. I know you don't like my position, but don't you think I might have some answers to this most obvious question before handing down my harsh judgment?

The facts of the matter is this. In accepting the additional vehicles, Oarai will indeed be violation of Rule 2-01 concerning the inability to change the member list after the notification. However, what you have not noticed is that Alice herself has already violated Rule 2-01 at that point, because she has substituted a Karl-Gerat and a T28 into two of her 30 slots, without even the slightest intention to notify her opposition.

Thus, she is in a very weak position to protest strongly about Oarai's impending violation. She cannot afford a strict interpretation of Rule 2-01 at this point. Even a discussion will at the very least expose the Karl-Gerat and T28. If things really came to a head, since she violated the rules first, in the worst case she might find herself disqualified and Oarai automatically wins. Taking a middle road, the fact she has already broken Rule 2-01 also provides the umpires an excellent reason to veto any protest she makes.

Heading on to the criminality analysis, in showing off the stock vehicles and obtaining Alice's consent, Oarai has excluded any criminality that may encrue from using the newly gained vehicles. Alice's failure to come clean to the last means that she has failed to gain Oarai's consent, even in a most passive, grudging way. Even if we insist there is absolutely no problem with Karl's permit itself, the mere failure to obtain consent means Alice has entirely failed to complete one condition for Exclusion of Criminality under Article 35 of the Criminal Code. Which means the moment a single shell is fired and damages something, unexcluded criminal liability will ensue for the crew of the Karl-Gerat (property destruction alone is a criminal offense). Alice should also catch some of this as commander (instigator), but she's 13 and Japanese criminal law insist that people under 14 years old are not capable of committing crimes (we might need to rethink this one).

Ignoring regulations and laws, if you watch the match in a critical manner, you might realize some tactical factors. While Oarai's 8 vehicles obviously have reason to dread Alice's 30 even before Karl-Gerats get into the equation, Alice's worst case nightmare would be Oarai exploiting their superior gunnery skills and guerilla tactics to snipe away at her heavy, but less flexible commanders and less capable gunners. A 30-on-30 fight would encourage company actions which play more to her team's strengths - it doesn't take deep analysis to note UST's more successful portions were when they were allowed to fight as companies.

So, far from not breaking any rules, Alice did not even make it through the pre-match without rule violations and setting her team up for criminal liability - sure, Japan has unlimited prosecutorial discretion and given that they are de facto working for the government this time, I'm sure no one will be actually prosecuted, but that's not exactly the same thing, right?

I know this is a lot to chew on, so I'll give you some time to carefully process this and let me know if you want me to continue. Please feel free to point out counterfactors, but I would request you avoid using terms like "overthinking" - mileages vary and what is a very distant thought for you might just be very visceral to me, and vice versa.

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It's just Alice think the museum will get shut down, it's not like it is really going to be so.
Certainly that's a possibility looking at the film only, though it does seem strange the nearly dead thing managed to not only survive but get a renewal. By LA II however it seems Alice became the museum director, so yeah, Shimada handed over a substantial sum...

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But Miho intentionally let others beat her up to sustain Alice's fantasy in Boco bear
Well, changing her to believe that Boko can dodge punches now probably won't help matters much.

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no one say she skipped middle school too
She's thirteen and a university student. She had no time to go to middle school.

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IMO the exceptionality shall be mainly depend on Alice's personal quantity...
That's the thing about Japan - yes in many countries with sufficient personal quality skipping grades is possible without reference to ministerial orders and laws. But not in Japan.

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No one say drama cd happen after ova?
AFAIK, neither are dated in-universe. I would hope that Drama CD was after though, it would seem rather sad that just as they bond a little, Alice nevertheless decides to leave them for a HIgh school, wouldn't it?

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Old 2016-06-11, 11:25   Link #370
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...First off, I've never seen a rule 2-01. It's not in any of the material I've come across. Second, the situations as presented to us both in the movie and in the series indicate that you are in error. Everyone treats Oarai's reinforcements as aceptable so long as Alice chooses not to reject them. Likewise, it is never indicated in any animated material that there is something wrong with your opponent not being aware of what tanks oppose them. From the series, Kuromorimine is the defining rule-abiding school, yet they produced a Maus that no one on Oarai knew about. This was not viewed as a rule violation, merely as them being clever and keeping their trump card hidden until the appropriate time. It was part of their official lineup, and the audience knew it existed.

Girls und Panzer is, and always has been, an anime-first series. All other materials are subordinate to it, and subject to being ignored and proven wrong based on what it does. Given that all presented material in the anime and the movie indicates that no rule violations have occurred, I reject your statement as groundless.

Moreover, you are devoting a great deal of effort to ascribe negative intentions and behaviors to someone who has displayed none. Therefore, as far as I can tell the only person who is actually behaving maliciously here is yourself.
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Old 2016-06-11, 11:34   Link #371
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Tactical analysis of Miho's past shows that she's employed hilltop defenses before, and heavy artillery is a counter for such a tactic.

Oarai sometimes is shown to go after a larger unit in combat to the distraction of everything else, thus the T28. It doesn't seem to provide much else to Alice's force aside from a priority target as a trap, or a very hard nut to crack in elimination fighting.

The rest of her force is very late war American, aside from her own Centurion, which is pushing the limits, but I seem to recall being 13 and gaming. At that age you push the rules as far as they can go and a bit farther if the GM allows it.

As noted earlier, Miho's group did not seem to know about the Maus deployed in the finals until it rolled up in front of them. The tankers knew what it was, but no one on Oarai's side seemed to expect to see one. Add to this Yukari's spying trips, and you have the likelihood that teams don't know in detail what the other team is fielding. Anzio's P40 was news to them via Yukari. Yukari was unable to spy on Black Forest Peak, but they figured they had enough inside information from Miho being on that team the previous year. It seems Maho was expecting that and upped her game with much heavier units, only leaving one Panzer III in her lineup.

Because this is a game, and the girls known that, I would put aside thoughts of criminal cases and the like. It takes being a rules lawyer to the extreme, and most other gamers hate the rules lawyers. They not only take the fun out of things, they also make things unfun by arguing with the GM for hours to nitpick every plot point, every ruling, and every action of the other players.
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Old 2016-06-11, 12:31   Link #372
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...First off, I've never seen a rule 2-01.
It was only on last page:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...&postcount=314

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From the series, Kuromorimine is the defining rule-abiding school, yet they produced a Maus the no one on Oarai knew about.
There is actually no evidence that Miho did not know about the Maus. Of course she did not expect its deployment there, but that's not the same as her not knowing about the Maus' presence itself. (BTW, this is basically the FAQ answer from the Japanese GuP wiki, which works with knowledge of the abovementioned rule and was written years before der Film can become a bone with anyone).

I will also point out that there is on-screen evidence that people do trade data - most spectacularly in the Anzio OVA where you even see the data in Italian. That explicit showing is stronger than somehow inferring from the Maus appearance sequence that Miho never knew about the Maus.

Heck, when Director Tsuji complains about Oarai's reinforcements being a rule violation, he is also referring to that rule without giving its number. So we actually have in-film, direct support for such a rule's presence. (Of course, he won't be mentioning his allies have already broken said rule, for obvious reasons).

I do not understand why there is such resistance to such a simple, reasonable, fair-minded, good idea anyway.

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Second, the situations as presented to us both in the movie and in the series indicate that you are in error. Everyone treats Oarai's reinforcements as aceptable so long as Alice chooses not to reject them.
Nobody actually says anything about this. Maybe that's the feeling you got from just watching that scene, and I accept that based on just watching that scene, it is a possible interpretation. However, you must consider the entirety of the evidence before making a decision and to deny official data with the sole reason being you don't like the conclusion that comes out with it is unobjective. One's interpretation does not truimph official data.

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Anzio's P40 was news to them via Yukari.
In fact, the Anzio OVA beautifully reconciles the two sides. The data does show up, but the day before the match with perhaps 24h left to go b/f start, which is consistent with the idea the JSF receives it themselves two days before the match. If you want to find things out earlier, you must spy. Otherwise, the JSF provides a service that both satisfies legal demands and a safety net for those who just don't have very good intelligence operations (and a high school's main job is not to run intel ops).

At this point, I really do not see the rationale that insists that there were times when they must have not known about the enemy opposition ... until der Film, of course. But here's the thing, if you see a rule on a book and then you see someone breaking that rule, do you assume the rule has changed or do you assume someone broke the rules?

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It takes being a rules lawyer to the extreme, and most other gamers hate the rules lawyers.
If the game is NOT about the fate of a 30,000 population city, I might be able to agree with that proposition. They have, however, gone with the high-stakes route for this film, and though it has its merits, it also does mean that any rule violation is much weightier than an ordinary match, to say nothing of some tabletop RPG.

I'll also point out that RPGs tend to have fairly complex rules, while the rules that regularly make a showing in Senshado are few and sensible. Basically, if you follow them, you will also avoid conflict with the law.
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I do not understand why there is such resistance to such a simple, reasonable, fair-minded, good idea anyway.
The fact that you are attempting to bring large amounts of abject negativity, blame, and inferred maliciousness into a series that is built on positivity, frinedship, and sportsmanship may have a lot to do with it.

Simply put, all presented animated material, which takes precedence over any printed material you may try to bring up, treats Alice in a uniformly positive light. All characters react to her with delight, no one assigns any blame to her, she receives no condemnation, there is no indication whatsoever that she did anything improper, and in all ways she comes across as being an innocent girl who played the game to the best of her ability.

You are going out of your way to bring darkness into this series, to make it about maliciousness, about spite, to destroy the positive emotions and the enjoyment that are the foundation of almost everyone's enjoyment of Girls und Panzer. THAT is why we argue with you. You are trying to undermine everything that makes this series what it is.

I'm going with Myssa. I don't have to listen to you, and I'm not going to any more. I don't have to put up with you bringing hatefulness in here to try to destroy what maeks this series itself.
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The fact that you are attempting to bring large amounts of abject negativity, blame, and inferred maliciousness into a series that is built on positivity, frinedship, and sportsmanship may have a lot to do with it.
Yeah, I agree that's what usually makes up GuP, so I must wonder what happened here?

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Simply put, all presented animated material, which takes precedence over any printed material you may try to bring up, treats Alice in a uniformly positive light. All characters react to her with delight, no one assigns any blame to her, she receives no condemnation, there is no indication whatsoever that she did anything improper, and in all ways she comes across as being an innocent girl who played the game to the best of her ability.
IMO, that's in fact the problem with their basic strategy with Alice. In fact, in Megami Jan 2016 magazine interview, Sugiyama (杉山) actually flat out admits his plan was to push the bad stuff onto the "bureaucrat". That means, he's fully aware that there is bad stuff, but he will try to push it all onto bureaucrat so Alice stays squeaky clean.


Unfortunately, because Alice is the one actually using all that "bad stuff" (while at most bureaucrat makes it available), that plan depends on the audience having extremely low standards for personal responsibility. And while it certainly seems to work (mostly), it can actually be a pretty painful experience for those who do still believe in personal responsibility, because in denying Alice's responsibility, it also means they will not process it in any way (the way they processed Rabbit Team's responsibility, Alisa's responsibility ...etc), which means to people like me Alice looks like she'll never get cleaned up, which is very sad actually.

I also don't believe in just cutting out any inconvenient evidence from the stack to maintain a certain preconception. I have my preferences too, and believe it or not, they do not involve Alice being a bad person. But I'm not cutting out evidence just so Alice can stay squeaky clean. I believe it is the responsibility of writers to ensure their characters live up to the theme they set for them, not for readers/watchers to keep cutting perfectly good data to maintain a certain image.

And people certainly shouldn't condemn others for using more valid data than themselves to reach a conclusion especially if it is one that reasonably speaking, cannot be what they really preferred. That's shooting the messenger, which is unproductive.

Finally, unlike Myssa, you have asked to join this debate, and disappointingly you did so without even studying the immediate thread surroundings which will give you a good idea of where I come from, and what data I will use. And you may also consider whether, in a world where even providing evidence and analysis doesn't sell an idea, trying to tell your opponent to cut evidence without solid cause was ever going to get very far.
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You know the part of the movie where a large majority of Oorai's forces converge at the back obviously dead end edge of the theme park so as to be easily encircled by the University team?

Could someone please explain to me why in the world they all clustered together like that. Why did they all gather at a dead end? What exactly was the plan? What were they hoping to accomplish by positioning themselves in such a manner as to be easily surrounded by the back wall (dead end) and the enemy team's tanks. It is never a good idea especially in an elimination type match to deliberately limit your moment options especially your number of possible escape routes. You know like not purposefully driving into dead ends. Don't even try to tell me they didn't have map of a theme park and were just driving aimlessly. They weren't playing by Flag Tank Rules where said tank could arguably be used as bait to draw them into an encirclement trap. I can't figure out what the thought process of the Oorai team was at the stage. Did Miho order them to gather there? I don't recall her ever giving any such command. Why? What? Why?
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You mean at the amphitheater? I was under the impression that it wasn't planned at all, and they just all sort of ended up there by accident. Hence why they had to be bailed out by the Rabbits and the ferris wheel.
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Nothing in these matches happens by accident in regards to the actions each tank crew makes. They gather information, act, react, assess, etc. They don't just act like a chicken with its head cut off. It's always a series of orders given by either the CO, a squad leader, and of course within each tank itself the tank commander for immediate decisions. Thing is we're obviously not made directly privy to what every order is or what all the stage of Plan F are. We get to see for ourselves without being directly told.

As an easy example the Duck Team and their Chi-Ha-Tan tank group are completely oblivious to almost everyone gathering at the back of the theme park. They only leave their potential ambush spot to investigate when no enemy tanks show up. So obviously they weren't ordered to gather there. Same deal with Rabbit Team. It would be easy at that point to assume no one was. They all had the same collectively bright idea to put themselves in the one of the worst positions they possibly could.

It's hard for me to buy that basically the reason they all gathered like that was due to extreme incompetence. Incredible stupidity not just from one tank crew, but many. Tank crews with numerous matches worth of experience acting like complete morons with absolutely no thought to their actions. That collective brain fart nearly dealt what would likely have been a crippling blow to their numbers. I'll always wonder what the most recent orders from Miho had been before all those tanks grouped up there in one of the worst collective in match decisions by numerous characters in GuP by a few zip codes I've ever seen. It's the one part of the movie I cannot wrap my head around knowing that this team isn't made up of a bunch of amateurs whom I could maybe understand making this sort of brainless collective lapse in any sort of judgment.
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It's the one part of the movie I cannot wrap my head around knowing that this team isn't made up of a bunch of amateurs whom I could maybe understand making this sort of brainless collective lapse in any sort of judgment.
Here's the rub though, this is EXACTLY the type of development you'd expect in a sports movie, as it plays into -- wait for it -- Rule of Drama. Oh no! Our heroines are in a pinch, and one they blundered into on their own? What ever will they do to get out of it now? Oh no!

I wish we could grab Triple_R, as he'd likely have more to share about the beats Sports movies (and de Film) follow.
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You can have drama without also relying on the idiot ball. Here it's like some sort of highly contagious idiot ball disease. I was hoping someone would come in and explain how with evidence the University team had cleverly corralled the Oorai tanks into an easy encirclement. How I must have missed the subtle details explaining how they managed to make the majority of the enemy team cluster together at a dead end. No rational decision making would ever lead anyone to think that's a good idea especially in an elimination match. Where could enemy be? Maybe we wait think about it at back of park? Yeah! Let's all have special tank meeting there over tea. This way we talking with no need radio! Good idea! As expected!

Something anything other than the bulk of the protagonist team was written to be temporarily retarded. They wanted that scenario where the team is in big trouble and needs rescuing, but didn't care to rationalize how it could have possibly been realistically established in the first place. Something like oh say the University team's concentrated perimeter of a progressive barrage slowly forced them to retreat until they were caught with the backs to the wall of the amphitheater. All hope seems lost as they're surrounded on all sides when suddenly Rabbit team to the rescue! In that scenario we see how much of an oppressive force the Universe team can be without needing the Oorai team to play idiot volleyball. In that scenario they don't all just gather there for no reason like moths to a lamp. They are literally forced back to that point due to the overwhelming firepower of the enemy team.

I like the scene itself, but I wish it had been written better. The foundation simply doesn't exist. There is nothing in movie to support how it could have happened in the first place. Anything would have been better than uh well they all decided to cluster together at a dead end. Why? Who knows? So we can have scene were Rabbit team shoot a Ferris wheel and it rolls down a hill sort of like in the movie 1941 and saves everyone! Wow! That sounds cool! Let's do that! Wait! Why did they all gather there in the first place? What caused that to happen? Shut up! Who cares?! Ferris wheel hurrah!
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That's the best part of this series. In addition to Miho and her commander skilll, they are also blessed with idiots on the team, that get themselves into all kinds of situations. That is where the odd luck comes outa nowhere and saves everyone. And its not some dumb deuce machina. Its Rabbit team in the perfect position out alone to save the day with a nice conceived tactic of destroying the farris wheel and adding more chaos to the match. Also Miho's team is virtually the odd duck. Every tank and their respective crews are different in terms of talents and abilities within her own team alone much less adding other outside teams to her mix. She manages the chaos quite well.

Another perfect example is Chi-Ha-Tan academy and their suicide charges in the beginning. I am sure if they had held back, Miho could have commanded them to victory, but its entertaining idiots that add to comedy relief which can both add to the main characters headaches or as we saw later, as they eventually overcame their banzai charge tendencies and contributed to the team.
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