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Old 2018-02-15, 14:06   Link #181
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The last scene with Solution showed that he was already thinking ahead. Yes, he's not a schemer like Demiurge, but he is also intelligent nonetheless. He said, "If any problems do arise, I will take measures to deal with them. I would like you to wait and see what happens for a little while." That second part is what really got my attention. People usually don't say that unless they have something in mind.
They do if they've got nothing and are playing for time.

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To further clarify, Nazarick is a place full of monsters that torture and eat humans. I think its pretty obvious why Sebas wants to keep this quite. Solution herself wanted to eat the poor girl and it probably took quite a lot of willpower for her to pick loyalty over her desire to eat a human.
Nah, she prefers livelier prey. Those already at death's door aren't appetizing. Plus, all the NPCs are very loyal, so there's really no contest.

Any conflict comes from the fact that on one hand, she can see Sebas' prevarications for what they are. On the other, she can't be 100% sure he doesn't have secret orders or an actual plan to benefit Nazarick or something, and he's her boss as decreed by the Supreme Beings, meaning she has to obey.

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Nazarick is also full of monsters that despise humans in the same way we find cockroaches disgusting and worthy only of extermination.
Yeah, but Pestonia's one of the good ones.
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Old 2018-02-15, 15:00   Link #182
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Sebas is probably my favorite of all Nazarick, so loved this episode. So badass.
He's full loyal to Ainz, but has that touch of nobility so he isn't full demonic like the rest of them all.
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Old 2018-02-15, 16:23   Link #183
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yeah and that is what make less sense for sebas to be loyal to nazarick, they go against his "master will" and against his own will, while i know which only now which they are "slowly changing and where just almost brainless AI, they still where created with a basic AI which is the reason they are evil or good and sebas was a "good" one then it's conflict directly with nazarick, even if momo(Ainz) himself is also a "good person" his good is "locked" inside his "undead(crap excuse to be evil) and also without count himself being afraid of his minions can betray him if they find out which he is a "good guy" and start to act good them making him do "evil things" or try to do good things masked as evil which again go against sebas nature.

Man i really feel bad for sebas such nice guy being rolled with shit peoples like that while for now it's not bug him later as he grow and his "free will" start to kick it can be really a big trouble for him.
The guardians seem to view their creators as gods. They are beyond loyal, they practically worship their creators, seeming to view them as ideal beings. But it seems more than that, as if loyalty is hardcoded into them. Which makes sense, they are once just NPCs where that was true.

So I'd be very shocked if Sebas had any doubt at all about Nazarick. I think hes action are more trying to emulate his creator and he doesn't even quite understand how he feels.
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Old 2018-02-15, 16:49   Link #184
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NPC personalities are made of three things:
- absolute loyalty of a summoned creature toward the summoner,
- the "setting" (like Albedo's love for Momonga),
- the personality of the creator to fill in the blanks.

They're loyal to the 41, but to their own creator most of all.
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Old 2018-02-15, 16:52   Link #185
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The guardians seem to view their creators as gods. They are beyond loyal, they practically worship their creators, seeming to view them as ideal beings. But it seems more than that, as if loyalty is hardcoded into them. Which makes sense, they are once just NPCs where that was true.

So I'd be very shocked if Sebas had any doubt at all about Nazarick. I think hes action are more trying to emulate his creator and he doesn't even quite understand how he feels.
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NPC personalities are made of three things:
- absolute loyalty of a summoned creature toward the summoner,
- the "setting" (like Albedo's love for Momonga),
- the personality of the creator to fill in the blanks.

They're loyal to the 41, but to their own creator most of all.
that is what make even less sense he being loyal to nazarik if they seee they "creators individual as god" and as source of they own selfs then once touch me was a "hero" and only was in nazarick to "protect them" because in the real world they where very "weak" in pvp and only touch me was the "boss" them for sebas trying to emulate his "noble and good master" make even less sense he accept ainz and the others demons actions, because they are direct going against not his own will but also against his "own master" will which is a really good person.

sebas "absolute loyalty is toward touch me not nazarick.
his settings as a noble and loyal gentleman buttler could be something to take in account to serve nazarick
the personality of his creator goes direct against the personality of the others denises of nazarick.
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Old 2018-02-16, 02:00   Link #186
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that is what make even less sense he being loyal to nazarik if they seee they "creators individual as god" and as source of they own selfs then once touch me was a "hero" and only was in nazarick to "protect them" because in the real world they where very "weak" in pvp and only touch me was the "boss" them for sebas trying to emulate his "noble and good master" make even less sense he accept ainz and the others demons actions, because they are direct going against not his own will but also against his "own master" will which is a really good person.

sebas "absolute loyalty is toward touch me not nazarick.
his settings as a noble and loyal gentleman buttler could be something to take in account to serve nazarick
the personality of his creator goes direct against the personality of the others denises of nazarick.
The "personality of the creator" is the least important bit. It's just there to fill in the blanks. And like I said, they're loyal to all 41 Supreme Beings. Loyalty to the actual creator would only matter in case of conflicts between Supreme Beings, but there's only Momonga right now so that's impossible.
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Old 2018-02-16, 05:17   Link #187
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^^ You are also forgetting, that it was a game and the personality used was the game personality. In other words, "Touch me" had likely no qualms massacring humans, because it was just a game and they would respawn anyway. And while Sebas seems to be kind of cursed by the "Help people in need" of Touch me, there is no need for him to feel any compassion to the thousands of massacred by other guardians. He is not acting for the good of humanity nor trying to stop everything bad, he just feels he must help the ones that he directly meets.

As for a metaphor, a human that helps a small pig that got its leg broken out of compassion might develop some feeling towards it and protect it further on, but even so won't feel particularly bad about the tons of pork he is gonna meet in shops, nor for all the dead pigs.
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Old 2018-02-16, 12:01   Link #188
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Some people pointed out the fetus thing in latest episode with solution and it made me uncomfortable af. I don't even remember reading that in LN

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Old 2018-02-16, 20:38   Link #189
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I believe that is the desired effect. Solution would likely proudly say she is a monster after all. She enjoys the feeling of humans dissolving within her.......yeah, like I said, shes really REALLY evil.
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Old 2018-02-16, 21:40   Link #190
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Nw this episode, THIS is why I love Overlord- not only do we get focus on one of the main characters, we also get to see part of the rest of the world, between the ones burning the fields and the underground Eight Fingers society. And I do believe that Sebas was thinking ahead, at least once he heard about Eight Fingers- have them come to him, and thus he gains more information that can be relayed to Ains.
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Old 2018-02-17, 04:55   Link #191
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I'd say this is an example of cognitive dissonance in Sebas really. He has contrasting programming that sort of conflicts with itself and can't really understand himself his own objectives or desires.

It's a similar situation to Meruem's from HunterXHunter, in a way. Except there it was biological programming, and here it's actually been inputted by a human creator.
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Old 2018-02-17, 05:02   Link #192
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Over the years there are some shows that makes me want to forget about the series for an entire season just so I can watch it all at once and not endure the time spent waiting for a new episode.

This is one of those, and to think we almost never got this second season!

Anyhow, I'm intrigued as to where that blonde squad came from. We've completely disregarded the necromancer organization from s1 that was supposed to be one of the more powerful antagonists and replaced them with ... drug dealers and cocaine farmers
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Old 2018-02-20, 10:30   Link #193
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I hope Sebas knows what he's doing....especially since getting involved with Tuare could bring him trouble.

Climb is such a noble guy. Honestly, he feels like the most human character in this season compared to even other humans.
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Old 2018-02-20, 11:02   Link #194
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lol, Ains broke character when Solution tell him that Sebas is betraying them or what she thinks, considering he was the creation of the person that Ains/Momonga idolizes, lord 'Touch Me' he might as well has an emotional connection to him.
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Old 2018-02-20, 11:51   Link #195
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what a jelly bitch solution is!!!!, just because her "master sebas" is giving too much attention to a "punny food human" she is totally jelly and thinking which sebas is betraying then, this gonna really be fun, specially for ainz, if momom is really "normal" he could easy see what sebas is doing is not really betrayal since what he is doing is just helping a "innocent human" nothing really down break as solution acting and even was momo himself which told to then to "act for themselfs", but since we are talking about "anime characters" i can see momo believing in solution and start to thinking which sebas is really betraying them as she is saying.
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Old 2018-02-20, 14:43   Link #196
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It's nothing to do with jealousy. And while Sebas is her supervisor, he's not her master.

It's just a matter of interpretation of what constitutes loyalty to Ainz Ooal Gown.
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Old 2018-02-20, 15:12   Link #197
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It's nothing to do with jealousy. And while Sebas is her supervisor, he's not her master.

It's just a matter of interpretation of what constitutes loyalty to Ainz Ooal Gown.
some of the moments when she looked at him being nice to the girl you could see her "angry" look over it as jelly too not just being loyal, you can see some "jelly on that too.

and when i means "jelly" is not "love" or romance" but because for her he being "nice with a normal human which she see as nothing than food and bugs" is something not acceptable, this make her anger.

Let me put on that it's like when you see your boss being too friendly and nice with a new employed and specially when that employed is under you level in the work hierarch, like you are a sort of assistant of the vice-president and the vice-president just hired a new "janitor" but being too nice and friendly too him, this can easy trigger jelly in many peoples.
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Old 2018-02-20, 15:59   Link #198
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some of the moments when she looked at him being nice to the girl you could see her "angry" look over it as jelly too not just being loyal, you can see some "jelly on that too.

and when i means "jelly" is not "love" or romance" but because for her he being "nice with a normal human which she see as nothing than food and bugs" is something not acceptable, this make her anger.

Let me put on that it's like when you see your boss being too friendly and nice with a new employed and specially when that employed is under you level in the work hierarch, like you are a sort of assistant of the vice-president and the vice-president just hired a new "janitor" but being too nice and friendly too him, this can easy trigger jelly in many peoples.
Nah, I think thats just Solution's default attitude. Shes probably like Nabe in that she has quite a serious personality. Its just that Solution can actually act, unlike Nabe, making her much better for undercover work.

Then again, she is a maid.........so seeing some lowly human scum take on her role might be triggering her. lol
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Old 2018-02-20, 16:33   Link #199
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Nah, I think thats just Solution's default attitude. Shes probably like Nabe in that she has quite a serious personality. Its just that Solution can actually act, unlike Nabe, making her much better for undercover work.

Then again, she is a maid.........so seeing some lowly human scum take on her role might be triggering her. lol
that is why i told which it's both, she is being serious to work but also being triggered by that lowly threat, because her only problem so far is which sebas is hidden the girl because everything else he is reporting as supposed then a "lolwly human girl" is not supposed to be something "so terrible as she is making unless she also have in part some "personal level aka jealous.
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Old 2018-02-20, 16:50   Link #200
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Momonga reaction when solution told him about sebas betrayal was hilarious, he was really trying to act cool but lol...

nice chapter, I hate that hey feel so short.
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