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2011-02-03, 21:10 | Link #7728 |
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I figured that, like Maria, Athena flew through school at a ridiculous pace. She was already a chairman by the time Hina came along, wasn't she? We know Hina's been the president for at least a year+, and Maria was the president when she was 13-graduation (assume 1-3 years max), and she's 17 now. That doesn't give Athena much room to be the president if not when she was ridiculously young.
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2011-02-03, 21:24 | Link #7729 | |
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Alternately, Hinagiku could have taken over during her freshman year and Athena had just given up the position for her senior year, since it wasn't going to be a full year anyway. I think Athena's head chairman by inheritance and hasn't actually taken over the post yet. Though she is apparently able to make decisions at that level already.
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2011-02-03, 22:39 | Link #7730 |
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I don't think there is anything mentioned on Athena being the student council president. I believe that Athena already held the title Board Chairman when she was 6 or 7 years old after she re-obtained the inheritance, but the actual administration was done by Kiraka, the acting board chairman, since Athena was too young. She'll take over Kiraka soon though. So, I doubt that Athena became the student council president at all.
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2011-02-04, 01:08 | Link #7731 | |
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Re-obtaining the inheritance of the Tennos was probably more troublesome than simply asking for it (Mikado was implied to be holding it, and he's not the giving type), I wouldn't think she'd actually had accomplished it until at least 10, rather than right after escaping the RG. Being the board chairman she's implied to have had 'waiting' for her though, so even while she was a student, she held the post in name only. It's the governance implications that make me think she held the student council president role somewhere along the line, an in-between role of not old enough to be board chairman, but still having that waiting for her.
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2011-02-04, 02:50 | Link #7732 | |
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If it took 4 years to regain the inheritance, where did she get the money to survive during all those time with her 6 year old body? So, that's very unlikely. Trying to regain the inheritance would be difficult, especially without help, but it's a matter of knowledge and intelligence, and it definitely won't take long if you know your stuff and have the necessary evidences to support your claims. I think the "waiting" period you mentioned reflects Athena's until recent status, which she could not officially doing the administration because of her young age. However, she was still referred to as the Board Chairman even a year ago although Kiraka was still in charge even now. I don't think there was no need for a waiting for her to get the Board Chairman title since Athena owns the school. Although Athena easily qualified for the SCP spot, I don't think she became one because I believe she wouldn't wanted it, and with her status as the Board Chairman (or the owner of the school). |
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2011-02-04, 03:14 | Link #7733 | ||
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She wanted the Power of the Gods, so being power-hungry is a possible motive, and, not being able to directly be the Board Chairman, the SCP would be the next closest position of power.
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2011-02-04, 04:06 | Link #7734 | ||
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I believe she wouldn't wanted it because her status was already far beyond the SCP position. Moreover, she's not really a socialize person to be working with the others. And, it's hard to imagine Athena doing something like planning activities for school events and solving problems for the students, which are tasks for the students, with her mental level. |
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2011-02-04, 12:57 | Link #7735 | ||
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Mikado does things for his own reasons at his own time, he doesn't need to be asked to help out, he does so so that he can manipulate things. Quote:
The SCP has a group of officers supporting them, but I don't believe we've ever seen anyone in the position working alongside anyone else, in this story or in many others, at best they're usually heads of the council, which is exactly the position she'd be in as head chairman. Wasn't it the Sanzenin name on the placard for the building site that Hayate saw when he was trying to get back to the RG. I believe that the school was part of the inheritance that she was attempting to reclaim from the Sanzenin fortune. Both Maria and Hinagiku are Athena's equals in intelligence and we know that both of them have been student council presidents.
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Positions: Students<Student Council members (only overseer student's activities) <teacher <vice-principle <principle < superintendent (usually a member of board of directors) < board chairman (usually the owner of the school). No matter what, even as a student, Athena's position was still there. I find it somewhat funny for her (or anyone) to seek the student council president position in order to gain "power." I think it's too a childish play especially for someone who is the owner of the school and tried to gain the Power of God before. Quote:
Student council members consist of four members. Aika, Hinagiku, Miki, Chiharu, and they have to socialize with the other students quite frequently, unlike being a Board Chairman. Quote:
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In what way is Nagi's mentality different from Athena's? They have both laid claim to Hayate, and he to them. They have both attacked Hayate, potentially lethally if not for his Made of Iron(t) form. The only real difference in their mentality is what era they think from, after all, Nagi and Athena both have the same base character. Quote:
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A board chairman would probably interact with the other board members at least in a similar fashion to the President's interaction with the rest of the school board. You wanna provide proof of that? Hayate seems to believe they are about equals (placing Hinagiku above Maria, I wanna say that Maria thinks of Hina-tan as her own intellectual superior as well), and Athena and Hinagiku were compared in all aspects by the trio when they talked about the two during the Athens arc. There is only implication that Athena held the SCP office, but if she hadn't, we're left with a gap between when Maria graduated (at 13) and when Hinagiku took over (at 15) that Athena would fill in perfectly, including having the storyline imply that she was a student in the intervening years, without having to add in another character.
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2011-02-04, 23:45 | Link #7738 | ||
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All of the speculations isn't getting anywhere. Each man his own.
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For my point of view, let's see. Hinagiku: At 6 year old- was in pre-school with other kids. Crying and keeping questioned herself where her parents were after they left, but still going to school as any other typical kids. Entered her freshmen year at 15 without any grade skipped. Maria: Entered her freshmen year at 10 and graduated at 13. Never lost in a game. A perfectionist in everything, except lacks street smart due to limited experience. Athena: At 6 year old- worked with Mikado (an extraordinary old man with an extremely manipulative, mischievous side) to obtain the PoG after her parent died. Regained her inheritance at such young age while easily deal with adults and assassinations by herself. Mastered swordsmanship. Taught someone to become a butler, which included cleaning, cooking, manners, etc. Currently,work as a Board Chairman at 16 years old. (I don't know even know what kind of genius Athena is). My perception is synonymous to Hayate and Miki's. |
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2011-02-05, 01:43 | Link #7739 | |
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Being a six-year-old doing such things would be proof of a genius-level intelligence, but, given the fact that currently she is reinhabiting the body of a 6-y-o (and currently not even having the memories, but still having the intelligence of, what we believe is, a 16-y-o) gives the clue that she wasn't ever as young as anyone thinks. We also don't have knowledge of how old Maria is, since she was supposedly found as a baby, but has shown to have knowledge that a true 17-y-o Maria shouldn't have. The only one we can safely say is actually the age we've been given is Hinagiku, who has shown to be perfectly above-normal in intelligence and highly regarded as a genius. To be perfectly honest, comparing their intelligence is similar to comparing your grandmother, your mother and your sister. Of course they're going to have different levels, they've lived different amounts of time to gain different levels of knowledge. Hayate rates Hinagiku above Maria when he needs to go after Nagi during the train trip, not wanting to leave Maria alone, but being comfortable with leaving Maria (and later Maria and Nagi) in Hinagiku's care. Intelligence \=\ Wisdom but is often included under the heading of such, and Hayate clearly doubts Maria's wisdom, which we're given good reason to believe. Doubts of Athena's wisdom is brought up as well, while Hinagiku's is possibly not as smart as the other two, she has the wisdom to use what smarts she has to the best of her abilities, something the other two seem to be lacking in. As an aside, Nagi is also said to be more intelligent than Hinagiku, but lacking in wisdom to the point where she isn't even on the same scale as the other three. Also, using the school system as a means to judge a character's intelligence, I direct your attention to Baka no Test. Several of the main characters clearly have great intelligence, yet they are in the lowest class because of rules set by the school for testing.
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2011-02-05, 03:53 | Link #7740 | ||
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Please realize this: The implications you are given Athena and Maria for being older than their appearance are only your speculations without any proof. There is nothing that said that their true age is not equivalent to their youth; thus, I can state things as the information are given. ---Memories lost is not equivalent to the lost of intellect because her intelligence is always with her. Genius is something are you born with; you can't gain it through studies or experience. From what I have seen and understood, I can safely say that Athena and Maria's level of genius is superior to Hinagiku. And, I don't think Hinagiku was ever being referred to as a genius in this manga, only intelligence or smart. Quote:
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Knowing those simple things, trains, are much inferior than when Athena expressed her 'wisdom' by she was working with Mikado, dealt with adults, regain the Tennousu title.etc. I don't see Nagi being inferior to Hinagiku at all, except in the physical department. Hinagiku may know more about trains but Nagi definitely knows more about manga. Last edited by zodanhko; 2011-02-05 at 04:15. |
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