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Old 2010-12-14, 10:17   Link #161
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Why is Ishihara always jerk? Seriously. I've never liked him and I now hate him even more.

inb4 all politicians are jerk <-- which isn't quite true, as I do know one who isn't shit.
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Old 2010-12-14, 10:18   Link #162
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If it's too violent, it'll be 18+ :O
Oh yes, I forgot about the violence.

So, what's left? Sazae-san?
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Old 2010-12-14, 10:27   Link #163
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While no news on the actual result of the voting has filtered down to us (for now), the legislative text is now available to us:

http://www.seisyounen-chian.metro.to...n/pdf/gian.pdf
So, is this what is going to be voted tomorrow?.

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I really don't understand whats the problem.

This will affect all the 18- content, so why not all the studios make all the ecchi/perverted animes 18+ so they won't be affected?.

Japan TV stations broadcast 18+ animes?.
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Old 2010-12-14, 10:33   Link #164
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The trouble is, Ishihara's definition of "Adult Material" seems to not be limited to just sex, but also:

Cussing (Goodbye Vegeta)
Punching People (Goodbye Goku)
Associating with criminals (Farewell Straw Hat Pirates)
Unlawful public extreme sports (Air Gear, we hardly knew ye)
Practice of dark arts (Negi old chap, Harem-Potter was nice while it lasted)

Need I go on?
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Old 2010-12-14, 10:35   Link #165
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So, is this what is going to be voted tomorrow?.

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I really don't understand whats the problem.

This will affect all the 18- content, so why not all the studios make all the ecchi/perverted animes 18+ so they won't be affected?.

Japan TV stations broadcast 18+ animes?.
Ratings for manga in japan are very simple, you have porn which is only available to people over 18, and then you have everything else. Making an anime or manga R-18 would be classifying it as porn. I don't think I need to tell you how this is business suicide.
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Old 2010-12-14, 10:46   Link #166
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Ratings for manga in japan are very simple, you have porn which is only available to people over 18, and then you have everything else. Making an anime or manga R-18 would be classifying it as porn. I don't think I need to tell you how this is business suicide.
I see, thanks for explain that.

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I heard this also include homosexual manga (no, im not talking about yaoi or yuri only) of any kind.

Basically anything that is against the "moral of the society".

Considering that ishihara is an homophobic person, it may affect good animes that are not ecchi/perverted like hourou musuko (drama manga/anime about transsexuality) or aoi hana (shoujo ai lesbian drama manga/anime).

Im not against make animes that show naked women doing perverted stuff being 18+ (which would be normal) but i don't like the idea of have awesome realistic and dramatic animes like "hourou musuko" or "aoi hana" be prohibited just because are taboo or go against the moral of an homophobic person.
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Old 2010-12-14, 12:00   Link #167
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The trouble is, Ishihara's definition of "Adult Material" seems to not be limited to just sex, but also:

Cussing (Goodbye Vegeta)
Punching People (Goodbye Goku)
Associating with criminals (Farewell Straw Hat Pirates)
Unlawful public extreme sports (Air Gear, we hardly knew ye)
Practice of dark arts (Negi old chap, Harem-Potter was nice while it lasted)

Need I go on?
Yep, you can go on because I did that before(a couple of pages back) and I got Neg. Rep for that (next time, leave a name). I been checking out alot of forums about this, and its agreed that everybody doesnt like this bill one bit.
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Old 2010-12-14, 12:50   Link #168
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While no news on the actual result of the voting has filtered down to us (for now), the legislative text is now available to us:

http://www.seisyounen-chian.metro.to...n/pdf/gian.pdf

Credit to Dark Mirage for translating the relevant portion:

第八条第一項第二号の東京都規則で定める基準 漫画、アニメーションその他の画像(実写を除く。)で、刑罰 法規に触れる性交若しくは性交類似行為又は婚姻を禁止されている近親者間における性交若しくは性交類似行為 を、不当に賛美し又は誇張するように、描写し又は表現することにより、青少年の性に関する健全な判断能力の 形成を妨げ、青少年の健全な成長を阻害するおそれがあるもの

The criterion as defined by Rule 2, Paragraph 1, Article 8 of the Tokyo Metropolitan Law: Comics, animation and other images (excluding photographs) that improperly glorify or exaggerate, through their depiction or presentation of, acts of sexual intercourse that violate penal laws or sexual conducts or acts of sexual intercourse between close relatives who are legally prohibited from marriage, and as a result may be harmful to the wholesome development of young people and impede their ability to form healthy impressions about sex.
Couple notes.
First, it doesn't say just photographcs, 実写 applies to any real images (meaning, films as well)
Also, 性交類似行為 is acts simulating sexual intercourse (fondling, petting, and other sexually suggestive actions other than intercourse)

Also keep in mind that it is up to THEM to decide if they feel it glorifies the above actions.

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The trouble is, Ishihara's definition of "Adult Material" seems to not be limited to just sex
Which is unbelievably hypocritical, since Ishihara himself wrote and published novels and films that depicts teenagers having sex, engage in violent, criminal acts, etc. That's why he excludes novels and films.

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So, is this what is going to be voted tomorrow?.

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I really don't understand whats the problem.

This will affect all the 18- content, so why not all the studios make all the ecchi/perverted animes 18+ so they won't be affected?.

Japan TV stations broadcast 18+ animes?.
Japanese seinen magazines sold for mature older readers (20~40s) are sold at book stands, train station booths, and vending machines.
If they were to become labeled "adult only" then it would disappear from their usual places, where it's convenient for working class men to pick up when they're heading for work.
This would totally DESTROY the seinen market.
In order to avoid this, they would have to self-censor themselves, destroying the creative process. It's a lose-lose situation.

People outside of Japan don't get it because you have no visual understanding of how these market in Japan works.
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Old 2010-12-14, 12:59   Link #169
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Old 2010-12-14, 13:00   Link #170
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The translated part mentions restrictions regarding sex, is there another part concerning violent depictions?
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Old 2010-12-14, 13:06   Link #171
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The translated part mentions restrictions regarding sex, is there another part concerning violent depictions?
青少年に対し、性的感情を刺激し、残虐性を増徴し、又は自殺若しくは犯罪を誘発し、青少年の健全な成長を阻 害するおそれがあるもの

Depictions that stiumlates sexual emotions in minors, or help influence them to violent behavior, or influence them to feel suicidal or desire to commit crime, and thus hinder healthy growth of the minor

This is one, I think I saw another clause touch on it, but I'll have to look at the whole thing again.
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Old 2010-12-14, 13:19   Link #172
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The bill was already rejected once in June, wasn't it? I hope that if this stupid bill of theirs fails a second time (Which isn't looking very good at all if the initial results are 12-113, but...) they'll just go the hell away and not try to get the bill passed a third time.

This sucks. I always thought Japan's lax censorship policies were perfectly fair and reasonable, this Youth Ordinance Bill is bullshit and I hope the Prime Minister can convince his party of that.
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Old 2010-12-14, 13:20   Link #173
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Couple notes.
Also, 性交類似行為 is acts simulating sexual intercourse (fondling, petting, and other sexually suggestive actions other than intercourse)
Hmmm... that does seem like it would increase the amount of material covered quite a bit.

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青少年に対し、性的感情を刺激し、残虐性を増徴し、又は自殺若しくは犯罪を誘発し、青少年の健全な成長を阻 害するおそれがあるもの

Depictions that stiumlates sexual emotions in minors, or help influence them to violent behavior, or influence them to feel suicidal or desire to commit crime, and thus hinder healthy growth of the minor

This is one, I think I saw another clause touch on it, but I'll have to look at the whole thing again.
This isn't part of the revision though, it's been part of the ordinance for a while and hasn't affected much that I'm aware of.
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Old 2010-12-14, 13:22   Link #174
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Old 2010-12-14, 13:23   Link #175
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help influence them to violent behavior, or influence them to feel suicidal or desire to commit crime, and thus hinder healthy growth of the minor
It's very hard for me to understand how someone can actually believe any of this crap. We are supposed to think that comic books have the power to make children into criminals or even suicidal? Not only is the person who wrote this borderline retarded, he thinks children are too.

But the best part is:

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Depictions that stiumlates sexual emotions in minors
Because sexual emotions in children are totally unnatural, no one ever thinks about sex until they are 18.
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Old 2010-12-14, 13:30   Link #176
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Concealment breeds curiosity. Curiosity breeds experimentation. Experimentation literally breeds unwanted children left on doorsteps because the teenage mothers in question were not given good examples of motherhood either.

Mr Ishihara, SUCH is the norm of present day America, the most sexually repressed and prudent country on the planet. You want a legion of doorstop babies 14 years from now because kids have to experiment for a want of proper information, go right ahead and pass your fucking draconian law of yours.

After all, unwanted and emotionally damaged children are all the easier for you to seduce into bed and write twisted novels about, are they not?
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Old 2010-12-14, 13:31   Link #177
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*Later, behind closed doors at UNICEF Japan HQ*

Ishihara:
All according to keikaku.

Agnes:
Indeed. Cheers, to the future of (2D) children!

Ishihara:
I'll drink to that.
Btw, would you like to see my erotic, pornographic, loli, R-18 novel works?
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Old 2010-12-14, 13:41   Link #178
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*Later, behind closed doors at UNICEF Japan HQ*

Ishihara:
All according to keikaku.

Agnes:
Indeed. Cheers, to the future of (2D) children!

Ishihara:
I'll drink to that.
Btw, would you like to see my erotic, pornographic, loli, R-18 novel works?

Part 2:

A group of guys enter the compound.

"We are the Brotherhood of Nod Otakuhood, we have come to claim what is ours!'
The group attacks and assassinates both.

"For the preservation of the free 2D world!"
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Old 2010-12-14, 13:43   Link #179
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It sure would be nice if Sony would throw it's gargantuan weight behind the opposition before the vote tomorrow. They're influential enough to actually have an impact.
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Old 2010-12-14, 13:47   Link #180
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Part 2:

A group of guys enter the compound.

"We are the Brotherhood of Nod Otakuhood, we have come to claim what is ours!'
The group attacks and assassinates both.

"For the preservation of the free 2D world!"
This sounds like a plotline for a Death Note/Welcome to the NHK crossover.
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