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Old 2018-07-18, 10:38   Link #8661
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I'm still baffled by why the MC hasn't done anything to banish the slavery system, I mean he has the power to change the world shouldn't he atleast try to make this a better world for the slaves and under privileged people ( great power comes with great responsibility ) but all he does is touring and enjoying his life like it's natural, does he even wonder or question himself why he's here in this world and what's his purpose.
You are forgetting the gods. They don't like anyone bringing science into the world and the motive for that is unknown, so who knows what might happen if he changes the world drastically like that? He doesn't know for sure that the gods can't just kill him as we still don't know their power level. Just having one god who only just ressurrected as an example isn't really representative of them. That's why he is first going to have talk with them after finishing the trials before taking any such world-changing actions.

Keep in mind that slavery (and concealed slavery like serf-dom) was so easily abolished in real life because people got machines as replacement. What do you think would happen if such a labor force would just disappear without replacement? You can't just ignore the big picture here, even more so in a world where hidden threats like Demons and Monsters exist.

On top of that Satou doesn't seem like the kind of person who wants to go around and change the world. I mean how would he be different to "strong man dictators" in real life if he did it? Forcefully changing society like that only because he is super powerful is not really keeping self-determination in mind.
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Old 2018-07-18, 11:35   Link #8662
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I'm still baffled by why the MC hasn't done anything to banish the slavery system, I mean he has the power to change the world shouldn't he atleast try to make this a better world for the slaves and under privileged people ( great power comes with great responsibility ) but all he does is touring and enjoying his life like it's natural, does he even wonder or question himself why he's here in this world and what's his purpose.
Why would he? Yes he has the power but he's not entitled to do it. And would the people even follow his order if he forced it? It's not like he's a King or an Emperor in that world. If he wants to create an area where slavery is prohibited then he need to build his own Kingdom for it.

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You are forgetting the gods. They don't like anyone bringing science into the world and the motive for that is unknown, so who knows what might happen if he changes the world drastically like that? He doesn't know for sure that the gods can't just kill him as we still don't know their power level. Just having one god who only just ressurrected as an example isn't really representative of them. That's why he is first going to have talk with them after finishing the trials before taking any such world-changing actions.
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That excuse is a bit iffy. It took the Weasle Kingdom inventing Tanks and Nukes before the God's decided to move on eliminating them. Small inventions that won't impact the world that much should be fine.
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Old 2018-07-18, 12:20   Link #8663
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That excuse is a bit iffy. It took the Weasle Kingdom inventing Tanks and Nukes before the God's decided to move on eliminating them. Small inventions that won't impact the world that much should be fine.
I wasn't talking about a "small invention" but rather about the abolishment of slavery here. I think you might have misinterpreted what my post is about, since I don't know what small inventions you might be refering to here. If you talk about machines as replacement for slave labour, then no, that's not a "small invention" either, unless you consider the industrial revolution as a small invention.
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Old 2018-07-19, 01:05   Link #8664
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If I was a goddess~ I would hate someone from a different world just doing what they please in my world~ most of all would be advance inventions~ I mean~ it's like watching your children grow a peaceful life then somebody just took them from to be trained as a soldier committing mass murder for no reason~!

Also~ the gods/goddesses in my story also hate someone other Gods that has their own world to suddenly start influencing their world~! It's a Yuri Story by the way~!
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Old 2018-07-19, 02:16   Link #8665
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And thats is what satou try to prevent and almost all reincarnated people try to do...
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Old 2018-07-19, 03:29   Link #8666
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If I was a goddess~ I would hate someone from a different world just doing what they please in my world~ most of all would be advance inventions~ I mean~ it's like watching your children grow a peaceful life then somebody just took them from to be trained as a soldier committing mass murder for no reason~!

Also~ the gods/goddesses in my story also hate someone other Gods that has their own world to suddenly start influencing their world~! It's a Yuri Story by the way~!
Then you should target those who keeps summoning other worlders if you don't want their influence in your world. Also why do so many souls from Earth gets reincarnated in this world with memories intact? Maybe Satou should investigate that.
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Old 2018-07-19, 04:28   Link #8667
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The Philosophy of Death March

The are 2 recurring themes that persists throughout the story

1. You won't ever get what want

This is shown by the fact that Sugar got lolis party instead of busty babes, Hayato got babes instead of lolis, Sugar got tied to a country by nobility when he actually wants to be free, and Sugar being unable to marry a high elf.

2. Ambition is inherently bad

This supplements the previous theme and shown by the fact that all Sugar's achievements were obtained unwillingly. That desiring more power and wealth is "evil" as evidenced by nobles and demons.

If that's all then it might work as a satire to contemporary isekai stories while also justifies the passive nature of japanese men.

But there's a catch here, that is whether Sugar being honest with his "wishes".
He always said he prefers babes than lolis, and there's also that loli curse. But have you ever seen he actively scouted babes into the party? The curse only makes loli gathers, but it doesn't prevent him searching for one nor it overwrites his preference. Even before knowing about the curse, he didn't do that.
Then there's the thing with travel purpose. He said he actually just want to do coulinary travel and shit. But all his travels so far has main purposes and the tour itself sidelined. Though Sugar said the main objective is the tour and not otherwise. This is following the themes that "Going somewhere to defeat demon king" is a bad wish/ambition and will fail, but "Going somewhere for recreation, unexpectedly meet the demon king and defeating him" is guaranteed to success.
The last is nobility. This is easy since Sugar and the party have no qualms for using a noble privilege and even using it actively. Whenever his nobility got emphasized by others, there's no monologue that shows his avoidance to nobility.

So in conclusion, the themes were broken because everything is just a facade.
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Old 2018-07-19, 07:33   Link #8668
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its nothing new that satou is 2 faced now is it?
i mean at the beginning of the story he let the guard die in the fight with the demon,
he always says he hates killing(even his party member arent allowed to kill someone) but he got no problem if they die as long he isent the one that did the last hit
(like thoes bandits he hanged on a tree in the middle of nowhere without gear, its more likely they die't to some monster then that some patrol find them),
he doesent want to rule but he is already indirectly rule over Muno isent he?
after the kobolds attack't them the only reason they didnt kill them after that was that they didnt want to displease satou and risk that he will leave so basically they wont do anything he dislikes, as nanashi he said we wont interfere in war between humans/demi-humans but when he run into the empire that attack't that one city he send them home one-sided without knowing whats going on just because the empire was wining he took't the other side and was even depress't that some died...
the same goes for the gods he ones said he will follow the law of the gods because its their planet
but after the heavenly punishment, because he didn't like how they did it he now wants to ''talk'' with them? and then what? if he doesent like the answer then what? will he kill them since they arent humans/demi-humans he got no problem with killing them?
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Old 2018-07-19, 07:53   Link #8669
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its nothing new that satou is 2 faced now is it?
i mean at the beginning of the story he let the guard die in the fight with the demon,
he always says he hates killing(even his party member arent allowed to kill someone) but he got no problem if they die as long he isent the one that did the last hit
(like thoes bandits he hanged on a tree in the middle of nowhere without gear, its more likely they die't to some monster then that some patrol find them),
he doesent want to rule but he is already indirectly rule over Muno isent he?
after the kobolds attack't them the only reason they didnt kill them after that was that they didnt want to displease satou and risk that he will leave so basically they wont do anything he dislikes, as nanashi he said we wont interfere in war between humans/demi-humans but when he run into the empire that attack't that one city he send them home one-sided without knowing whats going on just because the empire was wining he took't the other side and was even depress't that some died...
the same goes for the gods he ones said he will follow the law of the gods because its their planet
but after the heavenly punishment, because he didn't like how they did it he now wants to ''talk'' with them? and then what? if he doesent like the answer then what? will he kill them since they arent humans/demi-humans he got no problem with killing them?
Bravo~
That's absolutely right, bro~

Though I think this "problem" can be turned into overwhelming advantage in psychological level by introducing a character that points that out

Right now everyone is Sugar's Yes-Man, Sugar Enablers
It would be interesting to have a character that confronts him
Like saying to his face, "You're actually a terrible person"
Curious how will he react

That happened in Santairiku Eiyuuki. MC who's an emperor confronted by a 12 year old heroine. She's quite a genius and possible successor to Holy Maiden btw.
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Old 2018-07-19, 09:02   Link #8670
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Then you should target those who keeps summoning other worlders if you don't want their influence in your world. Also why do so many souls from Earth gets reincarnated in this world with memories intact? Maybe Satou should investigate that.
Problem is~ that they naturally reincarnated to my world without being summoned and that kept happening because this world has no gods to manage it~! And if there were any summoning going on~ it would already been prevented through the world barrier~! So the souls of those who died naturally goes to a random world to be included to the cycle of reincarnation~! It's so troublesome~!

Also~ why do so many souls from earth gets to reincarnate in world that they don't belong to~? It's because they came from another world while the world system only involves only the residents of that world so the reincarnation process is incomplete due to them not being a part of it in the first place~! That's why they almost get to keep their memories~! Because they weren't wiped clean to be like a brand new clean slate~!
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Old 2018-07-19, 09:10   Link #8671
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Isn't the reason Sugardaddy-sama wants to talk to the gods is because their 'divine punishment' was indiscriminate as the innocents was caught up with it during the punishment for the perpetrators~? Like a simple 'why did the gods do that?' Sort of stuff~
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Old 2018-07-19, 09:24   Link #8672
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Isn't the reason Sugardaddy-sama wants to talk to the gods is because their 'divine punishment' was indiscriminate as the innocents was caught up with it during the punishment for the perpetrators~? Like a simple 'why did the gods do that?' Sort of stuff~
Of course, Sugar Kamisama knows better, right?

He will chastise the gods and the gods be like "Sugar-sama, you must lead us as the God of Gods!"

*Using prophet power to divine Sugar's answer*

"So bothersome, no, wanna do culinary travel"

"As the God of Gods you can marry that side character high elf too!"

*Using prophet power to divine Sugar's answer* again

"Well, if you insist~ I really really don't want to y'know~ Well, I'll do what I can in my free time~"
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Old 2018-07-19, 20:20   Link #8673
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...i realy dont know why i found that so funny
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