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Cloudedmind · 2018-10-07, 01:53

Great first episode. So far it has all of the key elements to make this a solid sports anime.

BWTraveller · 2018-10-07, 22:10

One thing I kind of dislike is the frequent trope of the player who becomes super skilled in spite of a "handicap" that puts them at a serious disadvantage, or in this case will bar him from participation unless he can get the rules changed. My problem isn't that it's not inspiring or something, it's just that it's been done and I've longed to see a case where the path is legitimately blocked to the hero, forcing them to find another path, or even another dream. There's plenty of us out there who will find that no amount of stubbornness or determination will change certain things, and I don't think I've seen a story that actually addresses people who face this reality. Instead we get some guy saying that sometimes things simply aren't possible and the hero telling him "I don't care" and continuing with absolute certainty that eventually he'll become what he's meant to be.

LevelSeven · 2018-10-08, 06:14

^Well i think the problem with the is that its not really inspiring enough, you obviously can write such a story but tbh, what stops the person who did the "i got to change my dream because this one is to hard" from doing it again once he meets a almost-impossible-to-beat wall?

Most series who use this troupe constantly watch out that the initial "impossibility" for the MC is not a actual one. Like for example: a person born with no hands wants to be a basketball player, instead its always something that technique + luck can more or less overcome, example: a person is small (but not to small) and wants to become a basketball player.

I personally would like to see a manga with the opposite premise, the one you mentioned is basically real life. The one i want to see is basically fiction pure.

It goes like this: MC is supertalented. The End!

Let me explain, he is a real supertalent in all kinds of sports, he will initially fail and be just like any other new guy, but pick up the tricks and styles in a speed impossible for anyone else, and the manga will be about his eternal quest to find a sport that he can do and wont just be the best in it with just 15 chapters of learning.

LG-MAX 2.o · 2018-10-08, 11:22

Did not you read the manga?

I'm not going to give spoilers, but you're going to be amazed at how different this serie is from jump sports.

BWTraveller · 2018-10-08, 20:38

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Originally Posted by LevelSeven

^Well i think the problem with the is that its not really inspiring enough, you obviously can write such a story but tbh, what stops the person who did the "i got to change my dream because this one is to hard" from doing it again once he meets a almost-impossible-to-beat wall?

Most series who use this troupe constantly watch out that the initial "impossibility" for the MC is not a actual one. Like for example: a person born with no hands wants to be a basketball player, instead its always something that technique + luck can more or less overcome, example: a person is small (but not to small) and wants to become a basketball player.

I personally would like to see a manga with the opposite premise, the one you mentioned is basically real life. The one i want to see is basically fiction pure.

It goes like this: MC is supertalented. The End!

Let me explain, he is a real supertalent in all kinds of sports, he will initially fail and be just like any other new guy, but pick up the tricks and styles in a speed impossible for anyone else, and the manga will be about his eternal quest to find a sport that he can do and wont just be the best in it with just 15 chapters of learning.

I'm not talking about "too hard", I'm talking about something being literally unattainable. For instance, there's tons of people out there with conditions, including conditions that are very effectively treatable today so there's really little danger of long-term effects on one's lifestyle, so long as one does not go into certain activities such as serious sports. This is only one example, but a real one to many people and I have yet to see one story that actually presents a legitimate case of impossibility. It's not so much "less inspiring" in my opinion than "less satisfying". You still have plenty potential for inspiring content with someone struggling to either find another route to their goal or find a new path. But people still feel frustrated because they don't like to accept that there are walls you can't break, and they like the satisfying reinforcement of the illusion that if you want it enough you can always get it. Frankly, this can even be harmful in some ways. For one thing, breaking the illusion can be rather painful when one realizes that they didn't achieve their dream. More importantly though, if you're encouraging people to go against regulations (as this one seems to be doing) you could be encouraging them to seriously endanger themselves. I don't know why sumo has a height limit, but it could be that an excessive height difference could produce an increased risk to the player, in which case suggesting that one should fight through and force a change is rather irresponsible.

As I said before, I'm not saying I won't watch this. I do find this sort of thing satisfying as well and enjoy it well enough. I just wish we had something different for once, instead of always having either someone just somehow make it despite the "impossibility" or someone who's super-talented but can't get any respect all the same.

scififan · 2018-10-08, 21:49

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Originally Posted by LG-MAX 2.o

Did not you read the manga?

I'm not going to give spoilers, but you're going to be amazed at how different this serie is from jump sports.

There are too many macho sportsmen in the show. Rumor says the show will have hot girls eventually. So, I will tolerate the sumo fight for now.

It's how I endured Slam Dunk's story anyway.

alex_drian · 2018-10-13, 20:02

Welp, another good episode, but is this a case of rush? I ask this questions to manga readers that don't broke the rules:

This episode was of somewhat rushed? with the intro of all the members but in another series normally took like 7 episodes or so?

Really the story for now click with me, is been a while since I watched JUMP anime. I almost always read the manga instead of the anime and I really want to do this now, but if I do that probably I never return to the anime, a shame because I like so much the OP and only for that I give it a try.

For that would be more convenient if I just read the manga or I keep with the anime?

Stark700 · 2018-10-19, 10:47

Oh man, that Reina girl is hard to deal with.

One thing I kinda like this show is doing so far its emphasis on the actual sumo wrestling. It's not wasting much time getting right to the point. They get into their sumo mode like the snap of a finger lol.

Some of those moves also look pretty painful to take if you ask me. I'm quite impressed by the amount of energy and fighting momentum they poured into this series and it's only episode 3.

Psyco Diver · 2018-10-19, 11:42

I'm actually liking this one allot, it's clicking off classic tropes that seem to have been forgotten in recent years

BWTraveller · 2018-10-27, 09:00

With the new episode I honestly like Tsuji's character. He's exactly what I'd talked about as the kind of character I want to see. A character for whom the path he desires is literally an impossibility, who therefore has to either choose a new goal or find a new path that does not involve the unbreakable walls. Obviously this would be impossible in many areas like raw sports. A guy whose lungs will fill with water to the point he needs to go to the hospital if he strains himself for even half a minute isn't going to have a path where he can personally win a series of fights or a long match of any kind. But there may be other fields with difficulty and physical demand where it might be possible to get around the disabilities, albeit requiring a lot of creativity and perseverance. Still, this is now as far as sports goes the closest I've seen to what I'd wanted. While being short isn't much of a disability in my book, it still does show a character desperately struggling for a single path that will allow him to do what his body should make impossible, along with a character even closer to what I wanted. The stance and outfit still looks ridiculous to me, but I'll stick around all the same.

BTW, someone said there'd be more girls coming in later, but I haven't seen much as of yet. When do we get some fanservice that doesn't involve guys in thongs?

Guardian Enzo · 2018-10-27, 09:07

Being short certainly isn't a disability, but (like severe asthma) it certainly is in sumo, where the 167cm height limit narrows his chances of turning pro to almost nil. In that sense what Ushio is trying to do here is quite admirable.

Of course Ushio is what, 15? A first-year, anyway - I'm not sure why everyone assumes he won't still have a growth spurt and make the height limit.

BWTraveller · 2018-10-27, 17:21

Indeed. There've been people who shot up as late as 18. I knew a girl who at 15 could've passed for 8. But considering it's the crux of the story I'd be willing to bet he'll remain that short to his dying day.

Guardian Enzo · 2018-10-27, 21:33

Yeah, I mean... As viewers with an overview, we pretty much know he won't grow tall enough because that would be a huge anti-climax for the story's narrative. But my question is why the characters themselves (who of course have no such thoughts) would act so sure he's not going to grow.

Shiroth · 2018-12-10, 14:08

Episode 10 was certainly something special. I've been cheering on Ozeki since the first episode and wow, what a performance he put on for us in this episode. Absolutely incredible.

Anh_Minh · 2018-12-14, 14:37

So... How did an earnest guy like Yuma become a thug and a bully?

Kafriel · 2018-12-15, 04:50

Because it was easy? Either that, or he thought he was in a bancho series

Anh_Minh · 2018-12-15, 08:29

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Originally Posted by Kafriel

Because it was easy?

But he's not the type to take the easy way. Whether it's barbecue or karate lessons.

LG-MAX 2.o · 2018-12-15, 13:21

because he is a multidimensional person who felt pleasure in being the strongest of the school and preferred to continue being so because he was cool to the people around him?

Humans are flawed, though we only remember that in well-written series.

Anh_Minh · 2019-01-11, 15:55

Wait, why is this in Older Series?

I wonder if he can really conquer the high school sumo? On one hand, if he does, what is he going to do afterwards? On the other, it's the only year he can do it with the current third years.

On the shipping front: what the hell happened?

LKK · 2019-01-11, 17:03

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Wait, why is this in Older Series?

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2018-10-07, 01:53	Link #21
Cloudedmind Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: California Age: 38	Great first episode. So far it has all of the key elements to make this a solid sports anime. __________________

2018-10-19, 10:47	Link #28
Stark700 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Somewhere on Earth	Oh man, that Reina girl is hard to deal with. One thing I kinda like this show is doing so far its emphasis on the actual sumo wrestling. It's not wasting much time getting right to the point. They get into their sumo mode like the snap of a finger lol. Some of those moves also look pretty painful to take if you ask me. I'm quite impressed by the amount of energy and fighting momentum they poured into this series and it's only episode 3. __________________

2018-12-10, 14:08	Link #34
Shiroth Beautiful fighter. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: England, UK Age: 37	Episode 10 was certainly something special. I've been cheering on Ozeki since the first episode and wow, what a performance he put on for us in this episode. Absolutely incredible. __________________ MyAnimeList Twitter

2018-10-07, 22:10	Link #22
BWTraveller Born to ship Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Texas	One thing I kind of dislike is the frequent trope of the player who becomes super skilled in spite of a "handicap" that puts them at a serious disadvantage, or in this case will bar him from participation unless he can get the rules changed. My problem isn't that it's not inspiring or something, it's just that it's been done and I've longed to see a case where the path is legitimately blocked to the hero, forcing them to find another path, or even another dream. There's plenty of us out there who will find that no amount of stubbornness or determination will change certain things, and I don't think I've seen a story that actually addresses people who face this reality. Instead we get some guy saying that sometimes things simply aren't possible and the hero telling him "I don't care" and continuing with absolute certainty that eventually he'll become what he's meant to be.

2018-10-08, 06:14	Link #23
LevelSeven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Germany	^Well i think the problem with the is that its not really inspiring enough, you obviously can write such a story but tbh, what stops the person who did the "i got to change my dream because this one is to hard" from doing it again once he meets a almost-impossible-to-beat wall? Most series who use this troupe constantly watch out that the initial "impossibility" for the MC is not a actual one. Like for example: a person born with no hands wants to be a basketball player, instead its always something that technique + luck can more or less overcome, example: a person is small (but not to small) and wants to become a basketball player. I personally would like to see a manga with the opposite premise, the one you mentioned is basically real life. The one i want to see is basically fiction pure. It goes like this: MC is supertalented. The End! Let me explain, he is a real supertalent in all kinds of sports, he will initially fail and be just like any other new guy, but pick up the tricks and styles in a speed impossible for anyone else, and the manga will be about his eternal quest to find a sport that he can do and wont just be the best in it with just 15 chapters of learning.

2018-10-08, 11:22	Link #24
LG-MAX 2.o Senior Member Join Date: May 2014	Did not you read the manga? I'm not going to give spoilers, but you're going to be amazed at how different this serie is from jump sports.

2018-10-13, 20:02	Link #27
alex_drian Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015	Welp, another good episode, but is this a case of rush? I ask this questions to manga readers that don't broke the rules: This episode was of somewhat rushed? with the intro of all the members but in another series normally took like 7 episodes or so? Really the story for now click with me, is been a while since I watched JUMP anime. I almost always read the manga instead of the anime and I really want to do this now, but if I do that probably I never return to the anime, a shame because I like so much the OP and only for that I give it a try. For that would be more convenient if I just read the manga or I keep with the anime?

2018-10-19, 11:42	Link #29
Psyco Diver Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2014	I'm actually liking this one allot, it's clicking off classic tropes that seem to have been forgotten in recent years

2018-10-27, 09:00	Link #30
BWTraveller Born to ship Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Texas	With the new episode I honestly like Tsuji's character. He's exactly what I'd talked about as the kind of character I want to see. A character for whom the path he desires is literally an impossibility, who therefore has to either choose a new goal or find a new path that does not involve the unbreakable walls. Obviously this would be impossible in many areas like raw sports. A guy whose lungs will fill with water to the point he needs to go to the hospital if he strains himself for even half a minute isn't going to have a path where he can personally win a series of fights or a long match of any kind. But there may be other fields with difficulty and physical demand where it might be possible to get around the disabilities, albeit requiring a lot of creativity and perseverance. Still, this is now as far as sports goes the closest I've seen to what I'd wanted. While being short isn't much of a disability in my book, it still does show a character desperately struggling for a single path that will allow him to do what his body should make impossible, along with a character even closer to what I wanted. The stance and outfit still looks ridiculous to me, but I'll stick around all the same. BTW, someone said there'd be more girls coming in later, but I haven't seen much as of yet. When do we get some fanservice that doesn't involve guys in thongs?

2018-10-27, 17:21	Link #32
BWTraveller Born to ship Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Texas	Indeed. There've been people who shot up as late as 18. I knew a girl who at 15 could've passed for 8. But considering it's the crux of the story I'd be willing to bet he'll remain that short to his dying day.

2018-12-14, 14:37	Link #35
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	So... How did an earnest guy like Yuma become a thug and a bully?

2018-12-15, 04:50	Link #36
Kafriel Senior Guest Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Athens (GMT+2) Age: 35	Because it was easy? Either that, or he thought he was in a bancho series

2018-12-15, 13:21	Link #38
LG-MAX 2.o Senior Member Join Date: May 2014	because he is a multidimensional person who felt pleasure in being the strongest of the school and preferred to continue being so because he was cool to the people around him? Humans are flawed, though we only remember that in well-written series.

2019-01-11, 15:55	Link #39
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	Wait, why is this in Older Series? I wonder if he can really conquer the high school sumo? On one hand, if he does, what is he going to do afterwards? On the other, it's the only year he can do it with the current third years. On the shipping front: what the hell happened?