2014-09-22, 13:32 | Link #13301 |
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"Jellal" isn't a fan romanization. It's his official English name provided by Hiro Mashima himself, and used in the Del Rey, Kodansha, and Funimation translations. Then again, the FT Wiki prefers to use fan translations over official names not said to be given by Mashima whenever it can, even if the fan translations are..."Keith".
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2014-09-22, 16:57 | Link #13303 |
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It's not about giving Jellal a chance - it's not about him being 'redeemable'. He will always be someone that I dislike - no matter what happens. Whether Mashima done goofed when making Jellal into a Woobie or not, I dunno but he's dead to me. I loved the fact that Natsu wanted to tear him a new one as soon as he heard that Jellal was around. And then Erza goes 'all forgiving' on him for all of the crap that he did not only to her but how many other lives were lost too... love is the most unfair thing in the world.
This is why I say it's a personal thing since I absolutely adore Ultear despite her being the reason for Jellal's start of darkness among other equally heinous crimes. And she pretty much gets off scott free from it all - hell, if it wasn't for Hades, she'd made a very convincing 'Big Bad' on her own. It's not about who's ethically 'good' or who's 'bad' - it's 'do you like the character?' Cuz not everyone loves the 'good' characters, despite them being 'good'.
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2014-09-22, 19:59 | Link #13305 | |||||
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Really it feels like there are a number of places(not just with Jerral) throughout fairy tail where it feels like Mashima changed course. I feel like Lisanna coming back was just a gigantic asspull riddled with plotholes; I suspect that Mashima didn't actually plan her return but instead brought her back after seeing the positive fan reaction to her character in the anime. And then there is Raven Tail; they got so much build up and yet got what felt like a very anti-climatic send off... definitely feels like he had bigger plans for them, but got bored with them and just wanted to get them out of the way... Heck even the seven year timeskip seemed pretty pointless; it seems like the only thing the timeskip accomplished was allowing fairy tail to act like underdogs for one arc. Quote:
Heck, Mystogan being looking like Jerral didn't even really add anything to his character. He could have been any other edolas double and his story would have been more or less the same... the only exception being that he wouldn't get tied down to Jerral's baggage. Actually thinking about it, one idea that popped into my head is that it might have been pretty awesome if he had instead been an Exceed. That would tie him to Happy, a character we LIKE, and make us think that he is actually someone how connected to his origins; which we would find out when we got to Edolas. Quote:
Really one might compare Jerral with Sasuke of Naruto. Sasuke is also a favorite character of the author and he too garners A LOT of hate from the fanbase. Author's need to be careful about playing favorites because doing so can make them blind to the character's problems and in turn have a negative impact on their writing. Quote:
Both Heroes and Villains can be appealing... I feel that a character becomes unappealing when they are either bland/dull/boring, or when they become annoying and irritating; and i feel both apply to Jerral. As a villain he was rather annoying to deal with, and as a good guy he's not really annoying anymore, but he's not really anything all that special either; he just comes off as kind of dull... i just have no reason to like him. He's heavily weighted down by the taint of how he was handled in the past; Basically Jerral would have to do something REALLY amazingly awesome for him to make up for his baggage. Quote:
[edit] swapped out the word "likeable", for "appealing"... it just feels like a more appropriate term to use.
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2014-09-22, 20:20 | Link #13306 | |
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I think generally, people grow tired of all Fairy Tail's heel-face turns and Jellal has had one of the LONGEST turn around processes of any character, he reminds people of the thing they dislike about fairy tail. Personally, I don't mind any of the 180s. Sure, there are of ton of them, and some are implausible, but who cares? It's fairy tail! If you want a manga where bad guys stay bad, read something else. Heel-face turns have been standard Fairy Tail for a long time... Like, since Lyon. |
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2014-09-22, 20:32 | Link #13307 | |
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2014-09-23, 00:01 | Link #13311 |
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If you ask me, there is no such thing as an accurate official or fan translation in this world. Some words when translated makes no sense in other languages. And there are also cases where fans translation are more accurate than official ones. So trying to say fan translation is inaccurate or official translation is better or more accurate is just something people or companies use to make themselves sounds nice only. What is required is only knowledge of the languages aside from that fan or official translation, it's all the same.
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2014-09-23, 01:34 | Link #13312 |
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Just saw next week's chapter title on Mangastream: "Fire Dragon's Steel Fist"
So are we swapping Sting and Rogue for Natsu and Gajeel vs. the Mard Geer? If so, then poor Sabertooth Dragon Slayers. You guys have been exposed as scrubs once again... I guess that makes it a little better for me if Natsu doesn't fight him alone. |
2014-09-23, 03:40 | Link #13313 | |
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2014-09-23, 04:00 | Link #13314 |
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You realize that he not only fooled the Wizard Saints but the Magic Council in to thinking that he was actually a real person as well, right? Which he couldn't have kept up that illusion like that all the time though... He had to be at Era at least some of the time as well.
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2014-09-23, 05:22 | Link #13315 | |
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Honestly, the plot could've afforded her knowing "Siegrain" was a clone, as long as she also knew "Gerard" still held her friends hostage at the Tower, preventing her from making a move. Last edited by MechR; 2014-09-23 at 05:49. |
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2014-09-23, 14:05 | Link #13318 |
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Now going back to actual Manga chapter.
I wish I had a dad like Igneel, would have been an awesome dad. BTW, why does it feel like Igneel is going to break Natsu's promise?... I sense something coming up. And now for da Jellal discussion... Erza should get a Jellal harem. PS: just realized we're on page 666, fun number. |
2014-09-23, 14:46 | Link #13319 | |
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On to Jellal discussion... There is no solid explanation from my part, but it just feels to me that the author is forcing him on us. Jellal was... alright when he was a bad guy. Didn't like him much, but he served his purpose. And honestly he should have stayed dead. Now he is just there... He is trying to do good things to redeem himself but there is nothing to ''redeem'' in my eyes as I just don't care about him. Maybe it's the presentation or how his back-story unfold... And not liking JellalXErza ether. I didn't had problems with Ultear for some reason. Her 180 change was bull, but I loved her ether way. Mystogan on the other hand is pretty good in my book. Yeah yeah, same face but the history is different. Wasn't too thrilled when a mysterious and enigmatic character turned out to be another Jellal, but him being one man army, closing anima gates turned out to be pretty badass on it's own level. Wish we saw more of him, like how he earned his S class status. He didn't even had a decent fight ether. Man, what a waste of good character design... And I hated the fact that Jellal disguised himself as Mystogan in the Grand Magic Games arc. It would have been better if real Mystogan came back somehow to return the favor and Makarov somehow pursued him to be in the B team. And I agree that one can like bad guys as well. I loved Minerva the very first chapter she was introduced. Wicked personality and cool design. Unfortunately, she was showed against never-losing Erza, so with all of her powers she looked less powerful then she already was. And then getting more powerful later on proved useless on the tired Erza as well. Man, great way to make a dump on the character. Seriously, Hiro really hates bad guys. They just can't do shit against Fairy Tail. I feel sorry for them ;_; Anway, on to this new chapter. Poor Rogue and Sting. They just can't win a fight. Yeah the fight didn't really end, but I really wish they wrecked someone up.
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2014-09-23, 15:03 | Link #13320 |
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One doesn't have to 'kill' a character to show it being serious - it's just the execution of the plot. Mashima's just 'hit-or miss' on this. He can play drama up in non-fighting segments though, I'll give him that. Lucy finding out about her father's death was very good. Comedy he's the best at though.
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