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***Pellissier*** · 2007-10-25, 07:18

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Nightengale · 2007-10-25, 13:31

Definitely one of the more awkward episodes Shana episodes, in more ways than one.

Though if Konoe is really Bal Masque's plan, it's definitely working well. On the hindsight...

And... possibly volume 9 reenacted in the next episode? (( I spoiled myself. >_< ))

ashlay · 2007-10-25, 13:51

stuff like this is my bread and butter in SnS. definitely deserves a solid 9.

well, they have a lot of fun playing around with their new triangle...err, square, this week. Shana and Yoshida both end up completely detached from Yuji by the end of episode, but in the end it ends up being because they're both completely thick headed dolts. also amazed how much it still hurts when Shana screws up this badly; felt terrible for the poor girl as she looks behind her and Yuji wasn't there. I mean Alastor could have said something, but noooo.

Yuji himself wasn't too bright this week. After being fairly intelligent about keeping Shana and Yoshida happy with the lunches back in episode 2, he gives Yoshida's lunchbox to Konoe without even asking. (at least Ogata reminds him -_-) I somewhat wonder if Konoe had asked for Shana's lunch first if Yuji would have given it without asking. Still, seems pretty clear to me that Yuji just views Konoe as a little sister of sorts, and if Yoshida and Shana would just be clear with him about their worries, they wouldn't even have this misunderstanding. >_< Also feels like Yuji realized something about Konoe...but he's being extremely naive if he did. oh, and thought it was amusing that despite the fact Yuji is supposed to be ridiculously powerful at this point, he still ends up being worthless (matrix dodges Shana's stick only to get wacked on the knuckles.

)

anyway, I thought that Shana and Yoshida would actually team up a little because of all this, help each other out of the rut and what not, but seems like that might be a bit much to hope for. Seems like it's up to Chigusa to get Shana to stop being so stupid and be a little honest with Yuji next week.

Rembr · 2007-10-25, 14:00

Bakate, stay! Stay! Staaaaaaaaay.....

World's balance, anyone? Does anyone care about world balance anymore?

Aaaaaand next episode, "Family Dinner."

Fuck yeah! Now that's an episode title!

Phoenix14 · 2007-10-25, 16:22

*Waits for Yuji to get badass powers*

Yuji's a BAMF.

Wavedash · 2007-10-25, 17:07

An average episode, but I loved seeing the competition in the restaurant. Why don't we see more humor from Satou? It certainly adds more dimension than his normal sullen self.

Konoe could be clinically retarded...perhaps it's a lingering effect of being humanized from Hecate? (total speculation)

Kang Seung Jae · 2007-10-25, 18:39

Konoe love

Also, the Yuji + Konoe evening scene was fantastic!!

anselfir · 2007-10-25, 20:11

Hecate Is Love

Freeter · 2007-10-25, 23:17

Konoe = win.

Yoshida + Shana + melonpan = SUPER WIN.

"Kurosuzo, Konoe"

ashlay · 2007-10-25, 23:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freeter

Konoe = win.

Yoshida + Shana + melonpan = SUPER WIN.

"Kurosuzo, Konoe"

I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking of lines from Shana-tan version Yoshida while watching this season...

serenade_beta · 2007-10-26, 01:43

A nice, enjoyable episode.

Lots of Fumina, lots of jealousy.

Yuuji was just plain funny in this episode, in a good and funny way. He spends so much time with Fumina, and he even gives her his lunch which was from Shana and Kazumi. Of course, the result is that Kazumi and Shana start avoiding him. But he still has Fumina. Oh, and then there is that stare that Yuuji gave Fumina, but then he smiled after she smiled...

Ike gets ditched for Yuuji, though the whole class went "Jii~~~" at Ike when the teacher asked for someone...

Favorite scenes are definitely:
the ones with Fumina and the birds
the ones with Yuuji and Fumina and the birds
Fumina
Fumina's attachment to Yuuji (physically and mentally)
Oh, and Fumina chasing the butterfly and almost falling into the empty pool.

Fumina really seems to have an affinity with birds (and maybe other animals). Enjoyable scenes, those birds and Fumina.

deffusse · 2007-10-26, 07:33

This ep. is definitely No. one of Second season for me. Lots of fun, lots of Hecate/Konoe, lots of angry Shana, Lots of melonpan, lots of Yoshida....

It was absolutely great. I just couldn't wait for sub any more. My hypotetic question>>>> Is it posible that Fumina Konoe san is only a pupet, lead by Hecate? She is too suspicious, she ussualy act like an idiot, sometimes i think she has some secret power...... but doesn't matter she very cute, like my beloved Hecate

I think, it's no doubt that Konoe is only a trap set by Bal Masqué, to capture Yuugi

arkxkra · 2007-10-26, 08:36

feel sad when shana so sad. That yuji stil dunno why shana angry, he is so stupid(?)..

. Dunno have chance to see Shana and Yoshida temporary ally...

HayashiTakara · 2007-10-26, 10:50

When Shana is sad the world is sad

Kinny Riddle · 2007-10-26, 11:57

This episode is totally original material, but I'm not complaining cause Hecate-lookalike is just too cute.

If this is a visual novel, then Yuji has scored way too many "relationship points" with Hecate and has thus entered "Hecate's Story" permanently, since Shana and Kazumi are drifting away the next morning when Yuji walked to school with her.

When Kazumi saw Yuji just stared at Hecate at the park, I was half expecting her to hide behind her "Yoshida Exclusive" metal rod and smile evilly, as she has done in the Shana-tan Specials.

Just as expected, when a common enemy approaches, even the most bitter rivals have to put aside their differences and work together. To see Shana join Kazumi in the rooftop and having lunch with her, yup, they're gonna come up with a conspiracy to get rid of Hecate-clone next week.

Or maybe that isn't even necessary, as we see in the preview, Wilhelmina decides to take matters into her hands and rid the source of Shana's misery - Yuji - again. (Then it could be this part that incorporates parts of vol 9. ) Poor Yuji.

sapphirearcz · 2007-10-26, 12:52

Nowwhere near the novels now.. but does anybody think that Yuji might pull up a fight in this season?? not being a weakling anymore

X10A_Freedom · 2007-10-26, 14:15

That was pretty enjoyable. Although I feel Ike's present yet quite sidelined this season. I wish he had a better role during these slice-of-life episodes.

FlameSparkZ · 2007-10-26, 17:09

Things don't look good for Shana and Kazumi...

And, is it me, or is Yuuji just amazed on how Konoe resembles Hecate.
That little chain on her wrist still tickles my interest...it must be somekind of Hougu that turns a Tomogara into a human.

serenade_beta · 2007-10-26, 20:25

Quick update to the website makes me happy

Spoiler for episode 5 preview summary:

Great! Stupid Yuuji isn't satisfied with just the park! Now he's...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kinny Riddle

Or maybe that isn't even necessary, as we see in the preview, Wilhelmina decides to take matters into her hands and rid the source of Shana's misery - Yuji - again. (Then it could be this part that incorporates parts of vol 9. ) Poor Yuji.

Looks like that might not be the case. Poor Wilhelmina... (though she's not one of my favorite characters or anything).

Kang Seung Jae · 2007-10-26, 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Great! Stupid Yuuji isn't satisfied with just the park! Now he's...

If I hadn't thought that Konoe is a possible trap, I would have gone too......

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2007-10-25, 13:31	Link #2
Nightengale ~Night of Gales~ Author Join Date: Dec 2005	Definitely one of the more awkward episodes Shana episodes, in more ways than one. Though if Konoe is really Bal Masque's plan, it's definitely working well. On the hindsight... And... possibly volume 9 reenacted in the next episode? (( I spoiled myself. >_< )) __________________ *Night~and~Gale: ~ The Final Mythology of the Man who Defied Destiny.* The sleeping lion shall awaken beyond the depths of time, crossing ten billion lights, come to Terra.

2007-10-25, 18:39	Link #7
Kang Seung Jae 神聖カルル帝国の皇帝 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Korea Age: 37	Konoe love Also, the Yuji + Konoe evening scene was fantastic!! Last edited by Kang Seung Jae; 2007-10-25 at 18:57.

2007-10-25, 20:11	Link #8
anselfir Style Über Alles Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NYC/Chicago	Hecate Is Love __________________

2007-10-25, 23:17	Link #9
Freeter beyond Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: in the club	Konoe = win. Yoshida + Shana + melonpan = SUPER WIN. "Kurosuzo, Konoe" __________________

2007-10-25, 13:51	Link #3
ashlay the red string of fate Join Date: Jan 2007	stuff like this is my bread and butter in SnS. definitely deserves a solid 9. well, they have a lot of fun playing around with their new triangle...err, square, this week. Shana and Yoshida both end up completely detached from Yuji by the end of episode, but in the end it ends up being because they're both completely thick headed dolts. also amazed how much it still hurts when Shana screws up this badly; felt terrible for the poor girl as she looks behind her and Yuji wasn't there. I mean Alastor could have said something, but noooo. Yuji himself wasn't too bright this week. After being fairly intelligent about keeping Shana and Yoshida happy with the lunches back in episode 2, he gives Yoshida's lunchbox to Konoe without even asking. (at least Ogata reminds him -_-) I somewhat wonder if Konoe had asked for Shana's lunch first if Yuji would have given it without asking. Still, seems pretty clear to me that Yuji just views Konoe as a little sister of sorts, and if Yoshida and Shana would just be clear with him about their worries, they wouldn't even have this misunderstanding. >_< Also feels like Yuji realized something about Konoe...but he's being extremely naive if he did. oh, and thought it was amusing that despite the fact Yuji is supposed to be ridiculously powerful at this point, he still ends up being worthless (matrix dodges Shana's stick only to get wacked on the knuckles. ) anyway, I thought that Shana and Yoshida would actually team up a little because of all this, help each other out of the rut and what not, but seems like that might be a bit much to hope for. Seems like it's up to Chigusa to get Shana to stop being so stupid and be a little honest with Yuji next week.

2007-10-25, 14:00	Link #4
Rembr Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007	Bakate, stay! Stay! Staaaaaaaaay..... World's balance, anyone? Does anyone care about world balance anymore? Aaaaaand next episode, "Family Dinner." Fuck yeah! Now that's an episode title!

2007-10-25, 16:22	Link #5
Phoenix14 Clannad Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kentucky, US	Waits for Yuji to get badass powers Yuji's a BAMF.

2007-10-25, 17:07	Link #6
Wavedash Mayo on everything Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: USA	An average episode, but I loved seeing the competition in the restaurant. Why don't we see more humor from Satou? It certainly adds more dimension than his normal sullen self. Konoe could be clinically retarded...perhaps it's a lingering effect of being humanized from Hecate? (total speculation)

2007-10-26, 01:43	Link #11
serenade_beta そのおっぱいで13才 Join Date: Dec 2006	A nice, enjoyable episode. Lots of Fumina, lots of jealousy. Yuuji was just plain funny in this episode, in a good and funny way. He spends so much time with Fumina, and he even gives her his lunch which was from Shana and Kazumi. Of course, the result is that Kazumi and Shana start avoiding him. But he still has Fumina. Oh, and then there is that stare that Yuuji gave Fumina, but then he smiled after she smiled... Ike gets ditched for Yuuji, though the whole class went "Jii~~~" at Ike when the teacher asked for someone... Favorite scenes are definitely: the ones with Fumina and the birds the ones with Yuuji and Fumina and the birds Fumina Fumina's attachment to Yuuji (physically and mentally) Oh, and Fumina chasing the butterfly and almost falling into the empty pool. Fumina really seems to have an affinity with birds (and maybe other animals). Enjoyable scenes, those birds and Fumina. __________________ -Blog --> http://tdnshumi.blogspot.com/ (Mainly about video games) -R.I.P. Hiroshi Yamauchi, Gaming wouldn't have been the same without you (9/19/13)

2007-10-26, 07:33	Link #12
deffusse otaku[SK] Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Slovakia Age: 40	This ep. is definitely No. one of Second season for me. Lots of fun, lots of Hecate/Konoe, lots of angry Shana, Lots of melonpan, lots of Yoshida.... It was absolutely great. I just couldn't wait for sub any more. My hypotetic question>>>> Is it posible that Fumina Konoe san is only a pupet, lead by Hecate? She is too suspicious, she ussualy act like an idiot, sometimes i think she has some secret power...... but doesn't matter she very cute, like my beloved Hecate I think, it's no doubt that Konoe is only a trap set by Bal Masqué, to capture Yuugi

2007-10-26, 08:36	Link #13
arkxkra 全力全開 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Non-management 97th world	feel sad when shana so sad. That yuji stil dunno why shana angry, he is so stupid(?)... Dunno have chance to see Shana and Yoshida temporary ally... __________________ \| Anime Series' Window XP/7 Theme \|

2007-10-26, 10:50	Link #14
HayashiTakara Chicken or Beef? Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Seattle Age: 41	When Shana is sad the world is sad

2007-10-26, 11:57	Link #15
Kinny Riddle Gone for Good Join Date: Apr 2004	This episode is totally original material, but I'm not complaining cause Hecate-lookalike is just too cute. If this is a visual novel, then Yuji has scored way too many "relationship points" with Hecate and has thus entered "Hecate's Story" permanently, since Shana and Kazumi are drifting away the next morning when Yuji walked to school with her. When Kazumi saw Yuji just stared at Hecate at the park, I was half expecting her to hide behind her "Yoshida Exclusive" metal rod and smile evilly, as she has done in the Shana-tan Specials. Just as expected, when a common enemy approaches, even the most bitter rivals have to put aside their differences and work together. To see Shana join Kazumi in the rooftop and having lunch with her, yup, they're gonna come up with a conspiracy to get rid of Hecate-clone next week. Or maybe that isn't even necessary, as we see in the preview, Wilhelmina decides to take matters into her hands and rid the source of Shana's misery - Yuji - again. (Then it could be this part that incorporates parts of vol 9. ) Poor Yuji.

2007-10-26, 12:52	Link #16
sapphirearcz Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Singapore	Nowwhere near the novels now.. but does anybody think that Yuji might pull up a fight in this season?? not being a weakling anymore __________________ Many Thanks to Klashikari for the sig!

2007-10-26, 14:15	Link #17
X10A_Freedom Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Neo-Venezia...I wish!	That was pretty enjoyable. Although I feel Ike's present yet quite sidelined this season. I wish he had a better role during these slice-of-life episodes.

2007-10-26, 17:09	Link #18
FlameSparkZ the "Z" is for "Zeta" Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Portugal	Things don't look good for Shana and Kazumi... And, is it me, or is Yuuji just amazed on how Konoe resembles Hecate. That little chain on her wrist still tickles my interest...it must be somekind of Hougu that turns a Tomogara into a human. __________________ My Lazy Pixiv Page \| Twitter