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Flower · 2011-02-11, 12:36

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Originally Posted by ChronoReverse

He doesn't have it anymore, the pactio was only in effect for the Rakan fight.

Somehow I remembering something very vague related to Theodora's being nearby that made Negi able to use the pactio card ... anyone else remember something like this?

AlaAlba · 2011-02-11, 13:47

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Originally Posted by ChronoReverse

He doesn't have it anymore, the pactio was only in effect for the Rakan fight.

ah uh yeah, well I didnt mean Hama no tsurugi, I mean this

Spoiler for houma:

TnAdct1 · 2011-02-11, 16:49

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Originally Posted by Moczo

... which, the more that I think about it, the less sense that decision makes.

"Sure, let's hand the kid an immensely powerful weapon for the friendly tournament fight, but take it away when it's time for him to legitimately save the world!" I mean, I know that Negi wants to stand on his own power and all that, but...

Two reasons for why Negi's artifact was a "tournament only" thing:

1. The idea behind the item is that it enabled the Pactio abilites of Negi's Ministra Magi to be used by him in a scenario where they aren't able to help him, the tournament final.

2. If Negi still had the artifact after the tournament, then people would complain that it would make his students obsolete (as he can simply use his artifact to summon their Pactio item).

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Originally Posted by AlaAlba

ah uh yeah, well I didnt mean Hama no tsurugi, I mean this

Spoiler for houma:

Game8910 · 2011-02-12, 16:01

if you think about it, the Negi that fought Jack Rakan in the tournament was actually stronger than the Negi about to fight Fate right now.

Flower · 2011-02-12, 16:17

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Originally Posted by Game8910

if you think about it, the Negi that fought Jack Rakan in the tournament was actually stronger than the Negi about to fight Fate right now.

Hrm ... well, if you mean because of the magic nullification sword, etc. options he had b/c of the pactio card ... maybe.

In terms of the strength he had internally without the pactio card ... I would disagree.

But that is neither here nor there, perhaps.

nines · 2011-02-12, 16:52

Negi's way stronger than before. He tore the Fate of Fire in half and owned the Water one with a finger. If Fate was able to tank the blows from Rakan while Rakan was actually trying to kill him and was able to keep held together I think Negi tearing one in half proves he's a lot stronger now.

Negi before had more strategic ability with the houma but like TN said the group would become obsolete to him really well power wise. It's a decision no one would make if ever given to them but it had to be done to keep the plot rolling so everyone can be a "Main Character" lol

Flower · 2011-02-12, 18:27

317 in english is available.

GreatTeacherKen · 2011-02-12, 19:08

Spoiler for 317:

Game8910 · 2011-02-13, 00:24

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Originally Posted by nines

Negi's way stronger than before. He tore the Fate of Fire in half and owned the Water one with a finger. If Fate was able to tank the blows from Rakan while Rakan was actually trying to kill him and was able to keep held together I think Negi tearing one in half proves he's a lot stronger now.

Technically that would say that Negi has already surpassed Nagi as well since Nagi defeated Fate but he still looked like he had to put a lot of effort into it.

This is why I didnt quite like Negi beating the other Averruncus so easily...they are supposed to have the same strength, yet Tertium seemed so much stronger than lighting one (forgot his serial number). Fate also mentioned how he has never trained either so this difference in strength still doesnt make sense to me...but w/e I dont really think about it much since it was still awesome to see.

Shadow5YA · 2011-02-13, 00:26

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Originally Posted by Game8910

Technically that would say that Negi has already surpassed Nagi as well since Nagi defeated Fate but he still looked like he had to put a lot of effort into it.

This is why I didnt quite like Negi beating the other Averruncus so easily...they are supposed to have the same strength, yet Tertium seemed so much stronger than lighting one (forgot his serial number). Fate also mentioned how he has never trained either so this difference in strength still doesnt make sense to me...but w/e I dont really think about it much since it was still awesome to see.

Battle experience works as training.

nines · 2011-02-13, 01:41

The Fates aren't simply puppets they have emotions and all that. During the fight between Tetrium and Quintum his flash backs to Rakan and there effect making Tetrium let go of his bonds to the other Fates and making the plan go the way he wants it to gave him the ability the surpass the others since they are all acting like normal puppets like how he was before.

Nagi said don't ever underestimate humanity. Well apparently Fate found his humanity at that moment in a sense.

Von Himmel · 2011-02-13, 01:56

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Technically that would say that Negi has already surpassed Nagi as well since Nagi defeated Fate but he still looked like he had to put a lot of effort into it

Here's what I think...the current Fate is one of the set that master the earth element, with other version of Fate that master another elements. However, is it the same with the past Fate that Negi fought for the first time ? I mean, the past could be stronger than the current Fate who only mastered earth element

JapaneseTeeth · 2011-02-13, 15:18

^^ I think it's more that the Averruncus series started out as mere puppets, but develop emotions as they continue to exist. Fate has been around the longest, so he's the most emotional.

DKN117 · 2011-02-13, 18:57

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Originally Posted by JapaneseTeeth

^^ I think it's more that the Averruncus series started out as mere puppets, but develop emotions as they continue to exist. Fate has been around the longest, so he's the most emotional.

Explain why then, while Quintum and Sextum were rather stoic, Quartum was taking sadistic glee in attacking the members of Team Negi, and expressed disappointment that he wasn't allowed to kill them.

KaneDragon · 2011-02-13, 20:26

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Originally Posted by DKN117

Explain why then, while Quintum and Sextum were rather stoic, Quartum was taking sadistic glee in attacking the members of Team Negi, and expressed disappointment that he wasn't allowed to kill them.

Because he's a firestarter, twisted firestarter. He's the fear addicted, danger illustrated.

GreatTeacherKen · 2011-02-13, 20:57

In any case, the introduction of the other Fates has illustrated how much Tertium has changed; he's acting more like a human and we can thank Jack Rakan for sparking this change.

Flower · 2011-02-14, 12:56

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Originally Posted by GreatTeacherKen

In any case, the introduction of the other Fates has illustrated how much Tertium has changed; he's acting more like a human and we can thank Jack Rakan for sparking this change.

Negi had a hand in it too, although I would completely agree that Rakan is the most recent catalyst in this.

AlaAlba · 2011-02-22, 09:44

Spoiler for 318:

Blank-Mage · 2011-02-22, 23:49

Yeah, I don't expect the Negi/Fate battle to start (or end) anytime soon. I'm more curious as to Mana's and Setsuna's fights. They might all end at the same time, as a kind of "who the hell do you think we are?!" moment.

OverMaster · 2011-02-23, 12:10

It's very stupid to stall the fight's start so long when they are supposed to be in such a tight deadline before, you know, EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE DISAPPEARS.

2011-02-12, 16:01	Link #6664
Game8910 Shanacon/Ariafag Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: a room full of despair Age: 34	if you think about it, the Negi that fought Jack Rakan in the tournament was actually stronger than the Negi about to fight Fate right now. __________________ HEY GUYS BE NICE AND VISIT MY BLOG WILL YA? Latest Update: Spring 2011 Impressions (part1) Spring 2011 Impressions (part2)

2011-02-12, 16:52	Link #6666
nines I much prefer the 2d Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Frontier Age: 31	Negi's way stronger than before. He tore the Fate of Fire in half and owned the Water one with a finger. If Fate was able to tank the blows from Rakan while Rakan was actually trying to kill him and was able to keep held together I think Negi tearing one in half proves he's a lot stronger now. Negi before had more strategic ability with the houma but like TN said the group would become obsolete to him really well power wise. It's a decision no one would make if ever given to them but it had to be done to keep the plot rolling so everyone can be a "Main Character" lol __________________

2011-02-12, 18:27	Link #6667
Flower Blooming on the mountain Join Date: May 2010 Location: Deep in their roots, all flowers keep the light....	317 in english is available. __________________

2011-02-12, 19:08	Link #6668
GreatTeacherKen Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: California	Spoiler for 317: Let the 'befriending' commence! And Nodoka proves yet again she has nerves of steel.

2011-02-13, 01:41	Link #6671
nines I much prefer the 2d Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Frontier Age: 31	The Fates aren't simply puppets they have emotions and all that. During the fight between Tetrium and Quintum his flash backs to Rakan and there effect making Tetrium let go of his bonds to the other Fates and making the plan go the way he wants it to gave him the ability the surpass the others since they are all acting like normal puppets like how he was before. Nagi said don't ever underestimate humanity. Well apparently Fate found his humanity at that moment in a sense. __________________

2011-02-13, 15:18	Link #6673
JapaneseTeeth You don't want to know Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: At home	^^ I think it's more that the Averruncus series started out as mere puppets, but develop emotions as they continue to exist. Fate has been around the longest, so he's the most emotional. __________________ "Only the skilled can judge the skillfulness, but that is not the same as judging the value of the result." -- C.S.Lewis.

2011-02-13, 20:57	Link #6676
GreatTeacherKen Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: California	In any case, the introduction of the other Fates has illustrated how much Tertium has changed; he's acting more like a human and we can thank Jack Rakan for sparking this change.

2011-02-22, 09:44	Link #6678
AlaAlba ... Join Date: Jan 2008	Spoiler for 318: at last it begu.... wtf it's not yet began, damn KA. oh well at least we now know Negi is immortal?? lol that too hax

2011-02-22, 23:49	Link #6679
Blank-Mage Maniacal laughter ensues. Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: My own delusions of grandeur. Age: 35	Yeah, I don't expect the Negi/Fate battle to start (or end) anytime soon. I'm more curious as to Mana's and Setsuna's fights. They might all end at the same time, as a kind of "who the hell do you think we are?!" moment. __________________

2011-02-23, 12:10	Link #6680
OverMaster Zok, Biff, Pow, Wham. Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Valencia, Venezuela	It's very stupid to stall the fight's start so long when they are supposed to be in such a tight deadline before, you know, EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE DISAPPEARS.