To Aru Majutsu no Index LN - New Testament Volume 17 Discussion / Poll

[Kairin]

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[OH&S]

Shinyaku Toaru Majutsu no Index 17
Author: Kamachi Kazuma
Illustrator: Haimura Kiyotaka
Release Date: November 10, 2016
ISBN　978-4-04-892486-3

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Spoilers coming now from illustrations and hype could not be more higher.

[Kuroageha]

Oh hey, looks like I was right.

Spoiler for spoiler:

And Misaka really found her way in and later tried to force AAA's secrets only to explode in a bloody mess as Touma watched screaming "Misakaaaaaa!".

[OH&S]

Adding to that:

Spoiler for LN spoilers:

Tsuchimikado returns (About time), more illustrations of Kamisato faction girls (not as hype)

[entei08]

That picture with Misaka, thelema enthusiasts gonna have a field day.

[Kuroageha]

For the curious, it's Abrahadabra what make my spoiler above to happen.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahadabra
The word is described to be magic of the new era. It is not to be confused with the Word of the Law of the Aeon, which is Thelema, meaning "Will".

Now put Esper + Magic = you know what

[Loremaster]

Honestly what you expect? But this is just absurdly funny but what got me is the pirate girl. And Misaka's expression that of course, she's not even surprised anymore.

Though my thelema enthusiast in me is going to have fun.

[DragonXX]

Originally Posted by Loremaster

Honestly what you expect? But this is just absurdly funny but what got me is the pirate girl. And Misaka's expression that of course, she's not even surprised anymore.

Though my thelema enthusiast in me is going to have fun.

Spoiler for spoiler:

Is there any spoiler how bad Mikoto bet injure if she not dead like maybe if she will be mess up for life or not about to use her Esper power anymore which out help like Accel?

Also do we learn what Tsuchimikado bet doing this whole time?

[Natsurin]

Guys, keep things under spoilers for those who didn't open Kuroageha's spoiler and are just going to go through this thread for spoiler-free thoughts, for God's sake...

[DragonXX]

Spoiler for spoiler:

So the version of Nephthys in WR did continue to live even after the Nephthys on Earth die because she show up in one of the colour Illustrations.

[LevelSeven]

Originally Posted by DragonXX

Spoiler for spoiler:

So the version of Nephthys in WR did continue to live even after the Nephthys on Earth die because she show up in one of the colour Illustrations.

Spoiler for meh:

yeah, she is the one who stopped kakerus arm from causing him to much blood loss..

[Last_Aeon]

Spoilers, spoilers tag everywhere....

Well, I can't read Misaka's expression carefully. She seems a little whoozy

[Natsurin]

Originally Posted by Last_Aeon

Spoilers, spoilers tag everywhere....

Well, I can't read Misaka's expression carefully. She seems a little whoozy

That's some... interesting insight you bring there. You are in a discussion thread, you know. They're simply discussing while having enough courtesy to not spoil people who innocently look by to get updates of various sorts.

As for Mikoto, I don't know if she's "woozy" or if Haimura is just struggling to keep up these days. Considering the last volume where the poor girl had an ass cheek hanging out of her swimsuit in some really bizarre fashion, I'd say it's the latter.

[Inept Forum User]

A few more unverified fragments and time to ponder by the looks of it.

Spoiler for atwiki, Unverified:

• It seems as though some of the more featured Kamisato Faction members have had their family names revealed.
• Usagi Gray (partly seen in NT16) is most likely the brand for Fran's stuff.
• A few vague, single word terms added to the list...
• I'm slightly curious as to how far 'forgotten god' will turn out to go. Similarly for the darbh-daol and Legba.

[shmaster]

Finished the volume.
I starting to get annoyed by Kamachi's recent writing style.
As in, what really moves the plot happens only in the last couple of pages.

And it really makes you feel that whatever happened in the main chunk of the story is kinda meaningless, as it didn't make much of a difference in the end.

If anything, Tsuchimikado kinda is the only one who did something meaningful.

This volume is actually the first round of Aleister vs. Laura that everyone is waiting form. Of course, you won't even notice this is what's happening until the last few pages.

[LazyHunter]

Originally Posted by shmaster

As in, what really moves the plot happens only in the last couple of pages.

After hearing other people say the same thing about the past few volumes and it turning out to be just the usual biased "the only actual plot scenes are the scenes with Aleister/Laura", I highly doubt this.

[shmaster]

Originally Posted by LazyHunter

After hearing other people say the same thing about the past few volumes and it turning out to be just the usual biased "the only actual plot scenes are the scenes with Aleister/Laura", I highly doubt this.

If Aleister stop doing his JUST AS PLANNED, I would have agreed to that.
The volume's main character is clearly Fran, and her grand reveal is the core message of this volume, which further draws the distinction between the Kamijou faction and Kamisato faction.

But what happened as soon as Aleister showed up? It became just a part of JUST AS PLANNED. Aleister did not even intentionally made things develop this way. Rather, his "Plan" is perfect to the point that things will occur this way by pure chance eventually, and everything well automatically fell into place as the chess pieces in the grand Aleister vs. Laura scheme.

Hell, even the whole eliminate Kamisato and Misaka operation are just mere steps to take, and their death and survival does not matter at all. All the disaster that befalls onto the city has no meaning once they have occurred.
And as a reader, there is no sense of achievement in reading any of this, because whether Kamisato or Misaka survives or not, Aleister still gets what he wants.
They just played yet another chapter of unwitting pawn.

Everything is going to loose taste eventually when what you constantly is nothing but bad guys keep on winning.

[LazyHunter]

Originally Posted by shmaster

Everything is going to loose taste eventually when what you constantly is nothing but bad guys keep on winning.

I'm confused, that isn't what I thought you meant. I guess it can be frustrating to see Aleister and Laura scheming things in the background while most of the good guys are unaware of what's really going on, but that has been a thing since OT. It is also part of Aleister's character and role as the "mastermind behind the scenes" that he tries to plan for anything, including having backup plans to take advantage of some of his failures and things that look like failures but were actually intended to happen that way. Hell, even recently in NT14 we had an Aleister scene which had the purpose of showing him angry and frustrated that his plans and calculations are going too right, since Noukan couldn't beat Kakeru. I also expected Mikoto and Kakeru to ultimately be expendable, and he probably only talked to Yuiitsu that way to manipulate her. The only thing that he seemingly can't afford to lose it's IB.

[shmaster]

Noukan's death truly is an illusion. I was hoping Aleister would have re-think what he had been doing, and re-evaluate himself as a person.
But what we are seeing now? He went even further into the extreme now.

Hell, even the entire OP has become an illusion now. At the end of OT, we get Aiwass who is capable of trolling Aleister, and Fiamma that OT told us how much possibility he holds in becoming an actual competition against Aleister.
But, hey, where they are now? Fell off of the plot!

And NT right now, what has been happening post Othinus arc?
Magic Gods showed up! JUST AS PLANNED and they got neutralized like in two volumes.
Kamisato shows up! JUST AS PLANNED even Aleister didn't wanted to. Kamisato faction now are mere pawns now that no longer have power to change anything.
Yuiitsu rampage! JUST AS PLANNED too. All the disaster that befalls the city and the whole deal with Misaka ultimately made things even better for Aleister!

And unlike OT, it seems like Kamachi fear that we'll miss the point in NT, he is now having Aleister showing up at the end of every volume and tell us exactly how his plan has progressed and how everything that had happened only amounts to serving him more.

I am sorry, this is getting extremly FRUSTRATING!

[Natsurin]

I'm going to piss off a lot of NT purists here, but was there ever an actual point in NT? I've struggled to see a recurring theme that all volumes worked towards unlike OT which had the focus on memories, self-acceptance, heroes and redemption.

I do think it's a bit naive to expect Aleister to reconsider himself, though, since this story isn't about his self-doubt and will never be; he created an entire system of supernatural for his own goals and you think he'd suddenly decide "oh, well, maybe I went overboard there" just because Noukan died...?