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I definitely agree with you, that OS choice really depends on what you want to do and what is required. I mean most people don't what a sat nav with a command-line interface do they? |
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Speakin' of which, I should haul my RS/6000 out of storage one of these fine days. I couldn't believe that thing of its vintage (about '91 or '92 or so) had enough computing power to play MP3s (though given the fact this computer has no sound, I had to use NAS over my network and at 10 megabits a second to a computer which does, that's pushing my luck).
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2008-11-21, 06:46 | Link #64 |
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I browsed this thread (and maybe I didn't look close enough) ... but ...
There doesn't seem to be much discussion whether it's easier to download and view fansubs using Windows & available Windows software; vs. Linux & its software? [ or maybe I'm a n00b? is one just as easy or problematic as the other? ] |
2008-11-21, 07:16 | Link #65 | |
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apt-get install insert_your_favorite_Linux_torrent_client_here Software repositories are a blessing completely missing in Windows. And the whole "no software for Linux" is a complete myth.
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2008-11-21, 11:20 | Link #67 |
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I usually have apt-get or yum install both smplayer and kaffeine from the repositories; then they'll get all the necessary dependencies automatically. They install mplayer and xine as their respective engines.
As WK said, you'll need to have additional repositories enabled to obtain the licensed or otherwise dicey parts like codecs or libdvdcss. My copy of Ubuntu 8.10 had the non-free repository already enabled (rather surprisingly if you ask me*). For Fedora you'll want to visit the new RPM Fusion site or ATrpms. Programs like smplayer that rely on the mplayer engine work across platforms, though if you browse the Playback Forum you'll see people have been working on custom mplayer builds for Windows and OS X. Most any modern Linux distribution includes a number of torrent clients; I use deluge because it's pretty lightweight, though nothing beats ctorrent in that department. ____________________ * This might survive legal challenges in the US because the repository list doesn't actually contain the proprietary software. It's akin to the DeCSS cases a few years back, which were mostly heard in California, not Federal, courts. Posting the source code to DeCSS was held to be a violation of trade secret laws, but the trial court refused to ban linking to sites where the code was available. I don't believe this particular aspect of the decision has ever been reviewed, though. Because the defendant had posted the actual code on a US web server, the CA Supremes never reached the linking argument. The other legal alternative would be for Ubuntu to buy the rights to the proprietary codecs and just eat the cost of the licenses. A full pack of codecs in the GStreamer format costs about $50 from Fluendo. You still can't watch DVDs with this package; it doesn't contain a CSS decoder. I realize that since Mark Shuttlesworth could afford $65 million to go into space, he could probably afford to buy the rights to all the software in nonfree as well. I think the problem is more getting the rightsholders, particularly those governing the DVD and BD schemes, to negotiate. (He can probably also afford the attorneys to defend the decision to distribute the nonfree respository lists.) Who maintains the nonfree Ubuntu repositories anyway? I'm only acquainted with the Fedora world, where the repositories are maintained by volunteers and hosted outside the US. I've noticed that you can download proprietary items in Ubuntu restricted from servers whose names start with "us." A quick DNS search told me that us.archive.ubuntu.com is actually hosted in Poland on servers in the canonical.com domain.
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The "non-free" repository stated in /etc/apt/sources.list only contains items whose licensing is at odds with the DFSG along with the "contrib" repository which includes FOSS software which rely on items in non-free. The Medibuntu repository deals with software which includes several normal closed-source freebs like Acrobat Reader and the Flash Plugin along with Free/Open Source Software which embodies concepts which are ether protected by patent (e.g. MPEG decoding software) or forbidden by law (DeCSS) As for Fedora, the last time I ever used it, it just about made me want to slit my wrists. I absolutely hated it. The netinstall was needlessly difficult in that it required me to know beforehand a URL for a YUM repository. It didn't even have a preset list of mirrors like Ubuntu has. Since I was building a server to do some hacking, I told it to not install GNOME or X--which it happily did anyway, but left unconfigured. That's on top of my outright distaste for RPM to begin with. Needless to say, I'm never using Fedora again or anything derived from Red Hat's distributions. Quote:
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2008-11-21, 22:31 | Link #70 | |
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Why would it get technical? well windows users generally disagree with linux users fetish to OSS (it doesn't just have to be OSS to be good). The linux community seems to hate auto-installation packages very very much so it's only natural anyone migrating to almost any linux distro from windows will find himself hacking at the system to get the basic things, like for example decent font rendering, maybe some video drivers and sound support so things actually have a chance of looking good; not to mention all the other headaches you may face just to get it to that "oh but linux has this and that now" state everyone likes to praise it nowadays. Last time I checked you still have to do everything though the console... See how it gets complicated and technical? of course if you're satisfied with the staircase font and choppy rendering (not that the user interface is usually anything great to look at) and only use that oh-ever-so-praised magic console that in the last 40 years (did I get it right?) hasn't managed to move past the pathetic tab completion and overly simplistic history and shortcut system, you wouldn't really care about these sorts of problems.
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2008-11-21, 23:37 | Link #71 | |
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Ian, I think we've all come to know your antipathy for Fedora and RedHat at this point. I don't think you need to remind us how much you hate them every time they are mentioned. Some people like Fedora; I used it for years. I just mentioned Livna and company for completeness. If I knew how to obtain the same items for SuSE I'd mention it as well.
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2008-11-22, 01:10 | Link #72 | ||
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Have you tried Linux in say, the past 4 years? Over 50% of the people in our local Ubuntu community don't know jack about computers and still they manage along just fine with it. You don't need to be a UNIX wiz hacker in order to use it for day-to-day tasks (which is what the vast majority of the computer userbase worldwide do with their PCs).
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2008-11-22, 06:28 | Link #73 |
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I prefer linux most, but i am stuck with windows for the time being because my laptop broke and i havent got round to installing it on my pc yet xD
Overall its the best OS, my favourite being fedora. Also its so easy to use for a number of tasks. If you love watching anime Mplayer or SMplayer (its just basically a simplistic Mplayer GUI) would be the best choice (VLC is probably easier, but i found subtitles a problem). And you can get it from the included package manager (Yum/PackageKit) No need to worry about viruses, and pretty simple to use. The GUI is brilliant (especially if you install compiz-fusion and play about with it a bit) Free alternatives to just about any application on windows or mac, and you have WINE for the ones that dont have alternatives ^^. |
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2008-11-22, 09:35 | Link #75 | |||
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By the way, I remember I had a lot of pain getting audio on a fresh Windows XP installation after I lost my motherboard's CD. I didn't have internet access at the time so it was kinda not an easy to fix problem. Linux, OTOH, has never required me to install additional drivers (I'm lucky to have supported hardware--but you see how it goes). Quote:
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And I repeat, how can you expect people who don't even know what an OS is to try and install one?
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I would just like to add that installing Windows is an often bigger pain than installing Linux. I just spent about 6 hours yesterday trying to get Vista to install, only to figure out that the retarded thing needs at least 10GB of space (I mean wtf? How much crap did they manage to stick on?), AHCI disabled in the BIOS, not having an extended partition, having all other drives plugged out (and I don't remember what other stupid conditions)... Isn't this a bit too far? Anywhere where I tried to dump Linux so far I never had a single problem. And here is Windows assuming that the user installing it is a total retard.
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Browsing around inside the windows folder it appears that Vista doesn't clean up after itself .... that's due to the System Restore snapshot function but I'm wondering how long that remains tenable in a huge flat file collection.
Oh and yes, Vista flames and dies just as thoroughly as Linux unless every component in the system was "Vista-approved" ... and then it fugs anyway sometimes. Suing Microsoft for failing to install? Wait a minute while I clean the coffee spill up from laughing so hard. And I work with Microsoft Partners who pay oodles for "MS support". I still have wireless card issues with Linux (usually Ubuntu these days) but that's mostly because too many of the wireless chip families are shitheads about providing the specs for drivers. Otherwise almost anything I cobble together accepts it fairly well. Biggest hang up for Joe User is still those attachable devices (cameras, printers, etc) that assume a Windows system. So the house is a mix of several OSes for convenience... spend money where I have to, don't spend it where I don't have to.
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