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Sorry to bombard you with yet another discussion here Magnus
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Conducting field tests would take time, time that they didn't have much of considering the state of Frontier after the chaos in episode 21. Also the test would be putting not only Ranka but the army at risk since I'd imagine that the troops have dwindled considerably after that particular incident. I'm not so sure that Frontier would be able to withstand another attack from the Vajra. Quote:
"Everyone wants to live free, don't they?" This reveals the idealistic plan she had for coexistence with the Vajra as well. It wasn't stated clearly but if we were to interpret this line, it would mean just that. Ranka tried to tell Alto but he obviously didn't want to hear it. This came before she stated her reasons for leaving and it seems to be the most important one. I also made sure to say that she wasn't entirely sure if the Vajra were specifically targeting her, but it's plausible enough to believe she had somewhat of an idea as to why the Vajra keep coming. We also had the flashbacks in episode 21 when Ranka was singing to lure the Vajra, they were the same flashbacks used later to reveal the reasons for the Vajra's attacks. Although like you said, they weren't clearly stated but there are plenty of inferences in this series that weren't clearly stated
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But in the end, it doesn't matter, because it's Rankas civic duty to do the best in a crisis situation to help her fellow citizens ( and in this case herself, incidentally ). Quote:
The problem I see here is that it's a series of hypotheticals, which in my opinion at least, have much less weight than staying to protect the citizens of Frontier. The way you put it, it goes like "My song might not work anymore at all, so the next attack might destroy Frontier, so I might get clues as to how to stop the war if I leave and I might be not killed outright by the Vajra". Quote:
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Okay, now I'm really not following you...expected results often ARE the motivation for undertaking a task, are they not?
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2010-11-13, 07:36 | Link #2206 | |
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Let's leave aside you conveniently forgetting that you falsely accused me of misquoting and never corrected yourself, then.
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Re-read your own sentence again to which I was responding and then my response. What have her expectations for the journey to do with that particular motivation you are mockingly ascribing to her? She clearly wants to communicate with the Vajra, to find the missing aspects of her past. She clearly expects to make peaceful contact. Besides that, we reasonably can expect her to hope that she can find a peaceful resolution between Frontier and the Vajra. We cannot reasonably expect her to have gained some mystical knowledge that she was the sole focus of the Vajra attacks, because there is no evidence for that.
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2010-11-13, 08:01 | Link #2207 | |
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"So they tried to me from the ever-strange humans, because I could communicate through fold wave too." Episode 25 16:37 min. So my conclusion: the fold wave communication is the evidence as she is permanent linked with the vajra. And being able to "talk" with Ai-kun is fact. So what are the main reasons she left? Clear reasons: - To unravel her past - bring back Ai-kun, as he is not save on board of Frontier (Note Ai-kun =/= big bad Vajra) Assumed reasons: - to communicate with the Vajra, because she is the only person who can communicate "clearly" with them (Sheryl will do as well in episode 25) - to to find a peaceful solution for both aliens and humans - to find out why she is the only one capable to communicate - save her friends
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2010-11-13, 08:06 | Link #2208 |
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She doesn't show any signs of "speaking Vajra" until at least episode 23, though. It is only after Grace manipulated the Vajra through her that she clearly seems to understand what they are "saying".
Her prior interactions with Ai-kun are more in the realm of Ai-kun acting in a particular way and her reacting to it. Of course you can next claim that he explained to her through pantomime that she was the reason for the Vajra attacks. All off-screen, of course, and without her saying or even thinking about it.
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2010-11-13, 08:20 | Link #2209 | |
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Ah btw. Aimo is the love/mating song of the series. An unlogical question: Does love need words to communicate?
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2010-11-13, 08:22 | Link #2210 |
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Yup, but does she understand what they are saying? Quite obviously not, according to what was actually shown in the show. Only in the last episode does she clearly say that she knows what the Vajra want and those are presented as very recent revelations of hers.
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2010-11-13, 08:31 | Link #2211 |
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Diplomacy is always rough if you don't understand each other. This confirms Yot-chans words: Communication is a fail in the series.
Anyhow, you have to try and start somehow to communicate. Giving this Ranka into credit her leave is reasonable and also taking the risk and responsibility of fail/success to build a peaceful solution between Vajra and Humans. Anyhow, I'll follow up later. Shopping time. :/
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Uh, that is not the question in dispute. The hypothesis, as posited by Yot-Chan is: "Ranka secretly knew that the Vajra were attacking Frontier just because of her, that is why she left".
For which there is exactly zero evidence. And there is evidence of her real intentions, as per her actual statements of intent. And I'm also going shopping. See y'all later.
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Look at the later episodes, she did gain that knowledge only as recently as episode 23, beginning at 17:55. She had fragments of what had happened in the past, but wasn't able to meaningfully put them together before.
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Quick question because somehow I lost the red line.
What was the reason why we discussed about "Ranka secretly knew that the Vajra were attacking Frontier just because of her, that is why she left".? Has this something to do with my statement that with Rankas leaving the attacks on Frontier would reduce/lure away from the flee?
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Because Yot-Chan cannot let go of his hypothesis, although it totally lacks any standing in supported canon. At least to my best knowledge, and I am pretty damned good at remembering minutae of what happened in the series. It happens when you watched it about five times and specific episodes and scenes uncounted times more.
And, regarding your second paragraph, since hypothetically Ranka knowing that she is the cause of the attacks on Frontier and her then leaving would logically reduce the attacks on Frontier, you could say that the two things are linked somewhat, yes.
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