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Lacus' Assassination (Redux)
I've seen the matter of Lacus' assassination attempt clog up a few threads. It's an interesting enough matter to explore on it's own, so I hope that discussion of it can move here instead.
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If my national leader killed his opponent for political gain, then it is a clearly murder. Murder is, by definition, an inherently evil act. Hence, anyone performing murder is evil. There are a very few mitigating conditions that can absolved the amount of evil in a particular act of murder, but the assassination of Lacus does not qualify for any of these conditions. In Durandal's case, he failed, so his crime is reduced to that of attempted murder. However, the morality of his act is pretty much unchanged.
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2006-08-12, 00:33 | Link #2 |
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First off, while Dullindal was being potrayed as a subtle villian, the mechanics behind his coordinations that rely on lies, manipulation, backstabs, opportunistic timings among other things automatically qualify him as an evil villian and some people find it hard to swallow that he, in the very beginning was already destined to be the evil villian. I'd say that GSD tried hard to make him subtle even when he really isn't.
The reasoning behind Lacus's assasination can be seen through clearly and easily, with solid reasons to believe that Dullindal does it, even without evidence. But evidential proof would just make the series meaningless, as the series concept of GSD applies the idea that the right may not be totally right and the wrong may not be totally wrong. Gilly caused a fair share of deaths from being the mastermind behind Break the World, ignoring Requiem and Destroy, but in a way, they're potraying him in the manner where he thinks the sacrifices justify the end of a world without wars, while the right believes that just because the end result may turn out good, they do not believe in a world that must be created with so much blood shed. Dullindal was guilty of everything. The anime implied it subtly, the GSD producers outright admited it, and Astray proved how he did all that, from Force Persuading Canard to kill a Kira that wasn't even a MS pilot yet to having moles in Logos. Seriously, Phase 1 should've ticked people off easily. He smirked. Bad guys always smirk like that. |
2006-08-12, 02:53 | Link #3 |
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I'll repost what I wrote in the other thread:
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And I agree with Nightengale about Dully. He looked and sounded like a villain since Phase 1. The only question was, how much shit he had going on at the time. I - sort of - disagree with Dully being the only suspect. It's a big world. It could have been anyone with enough ressources and a grudge from the first war, for example. Dully's just the only suspect we see in the anime. And, yes, the prime suspect, after that Meer thing. |
2006-08-12, 03:33 | Link #5 |
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Ah, Nightengale reminded me again of what I missed. Yes, ASTRAY. The very tome to fill the gaps that we call 'plot holes'. Canard was there to kill Kira at one point, he later ceased his activities and left. Regardless, he was persuaded by Dully to do so.
Yes, a life is a life. Losing a life is tragic, and Lacus or Kira's life would have been no different than say, Mayu or Shinn's life if, of course, no politics were involved. Unfortunately, in the bloody world of politics, various lives have various weight. That is a simple fact. If Canard succeeded at that point, there would not have been a Second Bloody Valentine War. It'd be an all-out invasion of Earth, with Dully dangling Lacus' dead corpse on a treetop as a victory trophy. - Tak |
2006-08-12, 05:31 | Link #6 |
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Y'know, when you think about it, Dully's plan for assination completely lacked any foresight of failure... Having such confidence in your plan is just plain foolish... Using coordinator commandos, giving them the lastest tech, aswell as debuting a lacus-clone at about the same time gives Kira and co enough reasoning to name Dully the top suspect...
I think Dully should have played this assasination plot better, preparing for the possibility of failure and thus find ways to push blame away from him... for instance: Using older assasins, with older uniforms, with Older equitment (ginns, GHOONs)... Add in a soldier giving a good "viva la' Zala" and your setting up Patrick Zala Terrorists to take the fall... It would also help if you set up one or two other "surprise" terror attacks Just to make the attack on Lacus by Zala followers all the more convincing... Afterall, the Zala Followers at Junius 7 were older soldiers using older equitment (since that's all they could get), and they have plenty of reason to want Lacus dead since she is one of the poeple responsable for Zala's downfall... Grant it, in addition to setting up terrorist to take all the blame, Dully would also need to have better timing on playing his Lacus-clone... Playing it right after the assasination would still place Dully in suspicion, however playing the clone a month or so afterward would have lessen the blow of suspicion, bringing it down to possible coincidence or Dully just being an opporutnist... While the latter sounds much better, the flaw is that if the assasins don't kill all the wittnesses, Kira and such could report Lacus's death, and that would put some serious damage in the Lacus-clone plan... Heck, after the death plot failed, Dully could have taken a step furthar and actually formed a fasle Zala terrorist group... the groups pure objective is to use randam terrorism to keep Lacus and archangle far off Dully's trail... ofcourse said group would have to made up of soldiers prepared to comit die like the assasins, so to make sure they are ready to be attacked by both enemy and even ally attacks, and to ensure the truth is never revealed... but going to such lengths maybe too far, and could be prone to error, such as one of them going awol... So ya, since miracles and plotholes were bound to fail the assasination plot, at the very least Dully still could have prepared for popssible failure and taken the steps to shift blame far away from him... |
2006-08-12, 05:53 | Link #7 |
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Heck, if you want to go like that, he'd been preparing Meer for months, so I'm going to guess he'd been planning to kill Lacus for just as long. He should have arranged a quiet accident for her much earlier. Maybe even before he recruited Meer - "Lacus is dead, but we mustn't let the populace know, or they'll lose morale" sounds a lot better than "Want to usurp your idol's identity, be my mouthpiece, and use her influence to serve my own dark designs?".
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2006-08-12, 09:58 | Link #8 |
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I personally believe Gilbert messed up the assasination attempt for only one reason; lack of information.
As an interview with GSD staff pointed out, Gilbert knew about Terminal all alone. He knew there is serious infiltration of Lacus loyalists in his ranks, but Gilbert was never able to weed them out. Further, Gilbert was also not able to infiltrate Terminal at all, and thus lack any information concerning what Lacus is capable of. (Here is my hypothetical scenario. Thus no more than a product of my imagination.) When Lacus was forced to relocate to an Orb sea-side mansion, due to the tsunami destroying her previous island residence, Gilbert believed that he had an opportunity to catch Lacus off-guard. He had old floor-plans of the building, and the sea-side distant location allows an amphibious assault that is outside the public eye. He knows very well that Kira is with her, but Gilbert doesn't believe there is any time for Lacus to set up any decent defenses if she only recently "borrowed" this Athha real estate. Just in case, he brought out his special-forces troops and decked them out in the best weapons he can give secretly. The original plan: To kill Lacus unawares. (failed due to Pink-chan being linked to the security system.) The secondary plan: To kill Lacus by storming the place. (failed due to unexpected resistance and her running into a bunker which they knew exists.) The backup plan: To kill Lacus by blowing up the house and tear the bunker apart with concentrated MS fire. (Failed because Intelligence didn't realise there was a Freedom hanger beneath the bunker itself.) Granted, it is true that Gilbert should have been more careful. But perhaps he didn't have time? If he believed that Lacus was unprotected for a short while, it's natural for Gilbert to assume that she would soon either move elsewhere or increase defenses. Thus, he had to strike very quickly and gamble everything on the act. In essence, Freedom Gundam was what wrecked everything. Gilbert didn't know where it was, perhaps believing it to still be in outer-space with Eternal. Ironically, it is likely because Gilbert didn't realise how devious Lacus was, that he lost. To hide a powerful weapon in the basement of the private property of the present Orb sovereign is not a very legit thing to do, but that's exactly why no one outside Terminal knew about it. (End speculation)
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2006-08-12, 10:35 | Link #9 |
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1 important factor to consider is that following ORB's alliance with the EA, Dullindal, being the smart-ass he is must've predicted that Lacus and co. would go up to PLANT, most probably through public transport. That alone would've caused a major hindrance in his plans, and it was something he needed to deal with quickly, and he probably pushed ahead and sent the ASHes.
Frankly, the ASH plan wasn't bad by any means. Considering the situation given and the outline of who the opponents were, I'd say Gilbert was already very cautious by sending state of the art MS, something that if done wrongly, could've provoked a major problem and added more flame into something that's already burning between ORB/EA and PLANT. Seriously, who would've thought that the mansion had l33t security system and Freedom under it? Though, I often question one thing about this whole assassination plot. Who is actually more important to Gilbert, Kira or Lacus? It's without a doubt that Lacus was the primary target during the ASH Raid due to Meer, but from the signs thrown in both SE Destiny and Astray and the later half of GSD (( when Gilbert was pimping the awesomeness and ill-fate of Kira for not polishing his skills that would've made him superior to what he already was )), it seems that Gilbert held Kira at an extremely high regard, seemingly much more than Lacus. |
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Gender-wise, Kira is the King and Lacus the Queen. But in terms of firepower and actual role in the story, Lacus is the King instead. It is true Kira is the most powerful weapon under Lacus's disposal. He is her private guard, the final defense line. But fundamentally the greatest threat Gilbert faces is not from Kira but Lacus. The goal of Chess is not to remove your opponent's firepower, but to win the game. To defeat the Queen is only a means to such a victory, and not the true goal itself. Death of Lacus will cause internal panic in Terminal. The loss of the leader will cause squabble and infighting, during which time Gilbert's counterintelligence team will be better able to weeding out Terminal members or to implant a spy of their own. Kira might be a mighty sword, but Lacus is the hand that wields it.
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2006-08-12, 11:12 | Link #13 |
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Disgruntled politicians tired of Lacus Clyne? People displaced from positions of power because of Lacus Clyne? Supporters of Patrick Zala? Orb people who'd rather find the easy way out and ditch Lacus to the PLANTs? Heck, there are lots of suspects.
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My theory is very similar to Vallen Chaos Valiant's. The main difference is that I think that it was very much an attack of opportunity. Lacus basically disappeared after the Cosmic Era 71 war. It's conceivable that Durandal simply didn't even know where she was until she was forced to move to the house in Orb. He took that opportunity as it presented itself because he had no idea when he would have another chance. Quote:
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2006-08-12, 11:24 | Link #16 |
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How very convenient.
And since they know (for some magical, obscure reason) that Meer is so NOT Lacus, they have a chance to strike again. Not all people could be easily dissuaded from doing something, just because some of its players are killed off. As long as an ideal holds true, or a belief (in this case, kill Lacus), there are still other people who could do this for them.
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2. People without power has no access to commando Coordinator squads and state of the art MS. 3. Insurgents can't buy super new MS just recently deployed from the black market, because it's not yet available for sale. I'm surprised if ZAKUs are for sale, much less newer ASHes. 4. Jona made it clear he doesn't really care that much about Cagalli's playtime with Athrun, Cagalli's brother Kira, so why should Lacus be any different? Mina was totally out in GSD and other ORB royals aren't even in the show. There's tons of suspects, true. We can even suspect that Al Da Flagga who actually survived the fire tried to assassinate Lacus. We can even suspect Rey whose actually harbouring Raww's soul who wants to kill Lacus because he failed in SEED. We can even suspect LOGOS, whom Kira and co. didn't even know existed. From those they knew, Dullindal was the most liable suspect. |
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All the people who are in the position to know Meer is a fake (and is not on Terminal's side) is involved with Gilbert. Anyone not with Gilbert who wants Lacus dead will look for her in PLANT first, where they will find Meer instead. Thus, no one else but Gilbert's people would have looked for her in Orb.
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2006-08-12, 11:55 | Link #20 |
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Well, you just can't assume THAT entirely. For all we know, those people with Dully are just there so that they're safe before they plan a backstab at Dully or gaining honor and prestige on their own. And the people around Cagalli, too. I was just totally mystified as to how Yuuna found out about Kira when it's supposed to be a secret. So, you can't even trust the emirs.
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