Heavy Object - Old Anime Discussion Thread

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Didn't the episode explain that?

It did, but I figure it worth repeating due to the number of posters wondering why Objects rose to prominence as the dominant conventional weapon.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

The reason why Object dominated conventional warfare is due to three parts:

1) Very obviously, it has the biggest guns on the battlefield
2) It has the highest armor on the battlefield
3) And thirdly, as I've kept mentioning- these things are ridiculously fast for their size, just look at Baby Magnum's top speed.

So what you have is a weapon that if you have one and the enemy doesn't, they might as well surrender because fighting it would result in meaninglessly sacrificing life and equipment due to them being completely out matched.

At least on a conventional level.

Yes, but the question is, with Object technology, wouldn't it be trivial to make a better war machine?

My answer is, I don't know. It's not like with humanoid mechs where the flaws are obvious. An Object's only as big as it needs to be. Might as well ask why plane carriers are so big.

[Marcus H.]

Yes, but the question is, with Object technology, wouldn't it be trivial to make a better war machine?

Just look at how quick Froleytia can take out a guerilla base from possibly kilometers away. A few taps is all it takes to squish them. Now, imagine a larger base and all of Baby Magnum's primary and secondary armaments used for what's suspected as a war factory. It's still no match, and that's from a First Generation Object, which we can compare as Windows XP computers in a world already dominated by Windows 7s.

[madmanthan21]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Yes, but the question is, with Object technology, wouldn't it be trivial to make a better war machine?

My answer is, I don't know. It's not like with humanoid mechs where the flaws are obvious. An Object's only as big as it needs to be. Might as well ask why plane carriers are so big.

Hence, the second, third, fourth, generation objects.

It's like Battleships, and aircraft.

each generation improves upon the previous, until something entirely new comes into play....

[OH&S]

Adding to the above posts, the key term here is "Object technology". Yet just from the first episode alone one can't make any claims about what Object technology actually is.

What makes an Object an Object?
Can you take a part (or weapon) of the Object and attach it to another machine? Would that then be an Object?
And what makes an Object's weapon so special that it break through armour that a nuclear weapon can't?
What is the power source for such a behemoth machine?

All questions that are worth bringing up, and WILL eventually get answered.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Just look at how quick Froleytia can take out a guerilla base from possibly kilometers away. A few taps is all it takes to squish them. Now, imagine a larger base and all of Baby Magnum's primary and secondary armaments used for what's suspected as a war factory. It's still no match, and that's from a First Generation Object, which we can compare as Windows XP computers in a world already dominated by Windows 7s.

I've no idea what you're trying to say.

Originally Posted by madmanthan21

Hence, the second, third, fourth, generation objects.

It's like Battleships, and aircraft.

each generation improves upon the previous, until something entirely new comes into play....

Yeah, but those are still Objects. I'm trying to address the complaint that Objects are absurd as war machines. For humanoid mechs, it's easy - just put its components into a tank shape, and you're done.

But for Objects? How do you use their tech better? Maybe the spherical shape isn't great, but that's about it. If you want the advantages of an Object, you're going to need to be that big.

[Marcus H.]

I've no idea what you're trying to say.

You can't make nukes or pretty much any other war tech if Objects can snipe any threat from a sizable distance away.
Well, except if you have an Object.

But for Objects? How do you use their tech better? Maybe the spherical shape isn't great, but that's about it. If you want the advantages of an Object, you're going to need to be that big.

Just watch. Baby Magnum is a really old model, and there will be a lot more Objects to be featured.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Putting aside the viability of nukes, people tend to not want to nuke each other if they really, really help it. Even if you don't care of the political backlash It's not good for whatever territories you're trying to acquire.

Objects would allow them to have the deterrence factor of nukes, but with the practicality of mobile artillery.

A sort of "missing link" you might say...

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Oh, on a different note completely, so the objects were first introduced by "a certain island nation." Gee, I wonder who that could have been.

...Don't mind me. Bit of cynicism escaping.

Australia... Britain... Chaos2Frozen and OH&S... your guys's imaginations are quite lacking...

He's clearly talking about something from Index-verse... Right!? Right!? ... The certain part proves it.

[The One Above God]

First episode is pretty great. Really liked it. Only thing that I didn't really like was the seatbelt scene, but everything else was great.

@dniv, I actually thought about that too...but then, I remembered that if AC actually created a super weapon like an object, then this series would only have AC issued objects with AC ruling the world

[Esebian]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Yes, but the question is, with Object technology, wouldn't it be trivial to make a better war machine?

My answer is, I don't know. It's not like with humanoid mechs where the flaws are obvious. An Object's only as big as it needs to be. Might as well ask why plane carriers are so big.

Objects don't randomly grow at trees - they cost a huge amount of money and resources (the Baby Magnum has the advantage that it is so old that there are many spare parts from other old machines which can be used to repair or even rebuild it)

So you want to build Objects which suffer the least amount of dmg against other Objects, hence technological advancement is important.

Also you want Objects which can hold their ground against more than 1 Object at a time in important places.

Basically the same as before - you want to spent the least possible amount of resources to get the best result.

[madmanthan21]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

But for Objects? How do you use their tech better? Maybe the spherical shape isn't great, but that's about it. If you want the advantages of an Object, you're going to need to be that big.

You can say the same for Battleships, you want something that can counter the enemy's battleships, so you make one with bigger guns, better mobility, and better armor, cause the only thing that you can be sure that can kill these big expensive monsters, is a big expensive monster of your own. (since nukes can be shot down)

[EroKing]

[mangatron]

She aint heavy, she's my waifu~

[ReddyRedWolf]

Let me get this straight. This whole conflict started because one country began colonizing the Moon and it went to the polarization of the world?

[OH&S]

^
Where did that come from? Did I miss something?

[madmanthan21]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Let me get this straight. This whole conflict started because one country began colonizing the Moon and it went to the polarization of the world?

Actually this whole conflict started because collapse of the UN, though it's not explained how......

The destruction of a space shuttle is just so the viewers can see that they have the tech to do so......

[Chaos2Frozen]

The opening is both "War, war never changes." and "War, has changed."

[Dengar]

Yeah so this is really confusing me. The show seems to put so much focus on the waifus that I have a difficult time determinging whether it's a waifu show or a show about war.

[Marcus H.]

There are only two waifus and two bros (three waifus if you think Quenser is cute in a dress ).