Heavy Object - Episode 9 (Antarctica 1) Discussion / Poll

[SeaDoor]

The main characters sure do make this series fun to watch.

[Nvis]

Havia got a real 'Princess' as his fiance, yets still tries to "bang" other women.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by larethian

Same here, best part of the episode

Yelling fuck in Anime tickles a childish side of my brain, given how rare we hear it from our anime, let alone the 'heroes'

Originally Posted by Captain Orange

Wow, Havia had a GF? Really?

A fiance to be exact.

Originally Posted by Nvis

Havia got a real 'Princess' as his fiance, yets still tries to "bang" other women.

That's why the God of lucky perverts isn't smiling on him.

[Botan_TM]

Originally Posted by Nvis

Havia got a real 'Princess' as his fiance, yets still tries to "bang" other women.

Yeah, like some sort of aristocrat

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Yelling fuck in Anime tickles a childish side of my brain, given how rare we hear it from our anime, let alone the 'heroes'

Especially with positive response, without "pervert" and slaps.

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Originally Posted by Pen3

This show is almost unwatchable if they did not have Frolaytia air time.

I have different issues entirely.

It’s obvious that this episode's animation quality took a bit of a dive especially during the moment when the supposed “camera” is doing the panning-rotation on our beloved duo on ice. And the penguins looks like flash animation.

Aside from the lack of animation quality, the heavy exposition spouted by the characters is back in full force to the point that it makes this episode almost sounds like a (fictional) social-military documentary on steroids which is not a good thing for a non-documentary entertainment piece. Of course I can still follow the information in all those exposition but I sure as hell do not enjoy how it was executed which beats the purpose of the show being an entertainment.

And speaking of Frolaytia, the crass/poor/tasteless fanservice also back again. We got Milinda stripped basically for no reason beside filling the “eyecandy” quota this episode (broken AC has got to be one of the lamest excuses for showing characters’ skin just for the heck of it). And don’t make me mention the repeated and focused shot of Frolaytia’s thighs. And this happened even after I excused the existence of that little T&A segment in that “treasure video” as part of the joke.

Of course, it wouldn’t be fair if I don’t mention things that I like from this episode, which are:

• More character exploration for Hevy
• The cute penguins (even in poor animation)
• Some of the humor works (though some others are not)
• The “Juliet” got to preserve her dignity as a character by not falling victim to mindless fanservice.

So far, I feel that HO is the Highschool DxD of mecha genre where the show repeatedly slaps your face with mindless fanservice almost in each episode without much care as if trying to fill a certain quota of ecchiness. If titles like this and Infinite Stratos being the poster boy for mecha LNs, people will certainly look down on the whole genre. Thank god for Full Metal Panic! that knows how to do a good exposition and storytelling with well-timed and well-put ecchi & humor.

[Chaos2Frozen]

You think Heavy Object have the same level of fanservice as HotD and Infinite Stratos ? Wut?

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

You think Heavy Object have the same level of fanservice as HotD and Infinite Stratos ? Wut?

Relative to their own genre? Yes.

Highschool DxD has so much unnatural/crass/braindead fanservice even for the harem genre-standard where it belongs. While Infinite Stratos is worse because it's just a harem series posing itself as a mecha series (also with braindead fanservice, especially in season 2).

HO is supposed to be in the Mecha genre and in the real-robot subgenre where fanservice is usually very minimal. So, for a series of its respective genre, HO is indeed the equivalent of Highschool DxD so far.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Relative to their own genre? Yes.

Highschool DxD has so much unnatural/crass/braindead fanservice even for the harem genre-standard where it belongs. While Infinite Stratos is worse because it's just a harem series posing itself as a mecha series (also with braindead fanservice, especially in season 2).

HO is supposed to be in the Mecha genre and in the real-robot subgenre where fanservice is usually very minimal. So, for a series of its respective genre, HO is indeed the equivalent of Highscool DxD so far.

So it's a relatively speaking kind of thing? Okay I see what you mean. But even then I don't think the real robot genre is as fanservice minimal as you might think, or at least the gap is not as wide.

Not until there's a bullet-dodging Breasts scene.

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

So it's a relatively speaking kind of thing? Okay I see what you mean. But even then I don't think the real robot genre is as fanservice minimal as you might think, or at least the gap is not as wide.

Not until there's a bullet-dodging Breasts scene.

Aside from Vandread & Cross Ange (which is closer to Super-Robot genre anyway) and Muv-Luv and its ilk (which is an adult game first and mecha series later) I don’t remember any other Real-Robot series that go out of its way to frame the shots and focus on female characters’ erotic regions almost every episode. Plus, HO creates an entire mechanism/plot which one of its main purposes is to show fanservice (eg. the seatbelt shenanigans, the flute shenanigans, the AC shenanigans, the I-need-to-take-off-my-pilot-suit-AKA.strip-inside-the-cockpit-for-technical-reasons shenanigans, etc). Adding insult to injury, the way HO do and execute the fanservice has the subtlety of a sledgehammer that makes many experienced viewers who are new to this particular title feel uncomfortable and have the urge to facepalm and laugh (in a bad way) instead of being titillated. Don’t believe me? Read/watch the reviews and reactions on the net.

And if there's a real-robot series that do a bullet-time breast, that means the series has gone way too far into what-the-fuck-is-this-shit realm. Which so far, there's none. Or maybe HO will do that later on and set a groundbreakingly new low-standard in doing fanservice. It's already low-standard as it is.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Aside from Vandread & Cross Ange (which is closer to Super-Robot genre anyway) and Muv-Luv and its ilk (which is an adult game first and mecha series later) I don’t remember any other Real-Robot series that go out of its way to frame the shots and focus on female characters’ erotic regions almost every episode. Plus, HO creates an entire mechanism/plot which one of its main purposes is to show fanservice (eg. the seatbelt shenanigans, the flute shenanigans, the AC shenanigans, the I-need-to-take-off-my-pilot-suit-AKA.strip-inside-the-cockpit-for-technical-reasons shenanigans, etc). Adding insult to injury, the way HO do and execute the fanservice has the subtlety of a sledgehammer that makes many experienced viewers who are new to this particular title feel uncomfortable and have the urge to facepalm and laugh (in a bad way) instead of being titillated. Don’t believe me? Read the reviews on the net.

And if there's a real-robot series that do a bullet-time breast, that means the series has gone way too far into what-the-fuck-is-this-shit realm. Which so far, there's none. Or maybe HO will do that later on and set a groundbreakingly new low-standard in doing fanservice. It's already low-standard as it is.

Eh, reviews are a dime a dozen- anyone can write one. I've learned a long time ago not to place too much stock into those, especially when it comes to the issue of fanservice- for everyone you say isn't titillated, there is probably one that is. Oh for sure there are definitely shenanigans, but they're just that- shenanigans. They certainly aren't asking any more or less than a quick chuckle (or not, whatever floats your boat).

In any case if the issue is how HO is crass enough to be the HotD of mechas, I just want to point out that even using relativity, it's nowhere close or outstanding enough in the fanservice department.

Otherwise EroKing would post here more... Just sayin...

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Eh, reviews are a dime a dozen- anyone can write one.

Precisely. Everyone can write one. Which means those reviews and reactions are the expression of a large numbers of anime viewers out there. Which in this case don’t favor HO for its bad fanservice.

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Oh for sure there are definitely shenanigans, but they're just that- shenanigans. They certainly aren't asking any more or less than a quick chuckle (or not, whatever floats your boat).

All fanservice in anime is basically shenanigans and a wink to its viewers (except for hentai that took it seriously). And that shenanigans can still drag the story down if not done well.

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

In any case if the issue is how HO is crass enough to be the HotD of mechas, I just want to point out that even using relativity, it's nowhere close or outstanding enough in the fanservice department.

I don’t know why you keep mentioning HotD (Highschool of the Dead) when the series that I use to compare is Highschool DxD. Two completely different anime series. HotD’s fanservice is so out there. It’s like the Sharknado of fanservice that it cannot be measured anymore, and I don’t mind that level of insanity. On the other hand, Highschool DxD’s fanservice is just crass, lame and badly incorporated that you’d feel pity and annoyed rather than titillated, much like HO. And yes I agree that HO's fanservice is nowhere near outstanding, it's incredibly bad.

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Otherwise EroKing would post here more... Just sayin...

EroKing has his own taste and he's not omnipresent

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Precisely. Everyone can write one. Which means those reviews and reactions are the expression of a large numbers of anime viewers out there. Which in this case don’t favor HO for its bad fanservice.

Nah, we like to think people speaking out on the internet represents the thoughts of a majority but the reality usually isn't so cut and dry. For everyone who complaints, there's a silent majority who just don't have a problem with it.

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

All fanservice in anime is basically shenanigans and a wink to its viewers (except for hentai that took it seriously). And that shenanigans can still drag the story down if not done well.

Sure, if it drags down the story.

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

I don’t know why you keep mentioning HotD (Highschool of the Dead) when the series that I use to compare is Highschool DxD. Two completely different anime series. HotD’s fanservice is so out there. It’s like the Sharknado of fanservice that it cannot be measured anymore, and I don’t mind that level of insanity. On the other hand, Highschool DxD’s fanservice is just crass, lame and badly incorporated that you’d feel pity and annoyed rather than titillated, much like HO. And yes I agree that HO's fanservice is nowhere near outstanding, it's incredibly bad.

D'oh! My bad, misread your initial post.

But regardless you don't find yourself going into hyperbolic territory with this? Making arbitrary distinction between "So Bad" and "So Bad it's good!", trying to draw some standard when really it's no different than accepting one crazy fanservice over the other.

Also, DxD is like 80% fanservice while HO is at best 10%. If your premise for this argument is HO is just like DxD, whether it's quantity or quality, that's gonna be hard to agree with.

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

EroKing has his own taste and he's not omnipresent

He actually is, I cleared this with him before posting

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Nah, we like to think people speaking out on the internet represents the thoughts of a majority but the reality usually isn't so cut and dry. For everyone who complaints, there's a silent majority who just don't have a problem with it.

Sure, if it drags down the story.

D'oh! My bad, misread your initial post.

But regardless you don't find yourself going into hyperbolic territory with this? Making arbitrary distinction between "So Bad" and "So Bad it's good!", trying to draw some standard when really it's no different than accepting one crazy fanservice over the other.

Also, DxD is like 80% fanservice while HO is at best 10%. If your premise for this argument is HO is just like DxD, whether it's quantity or quality, that's gonna be hard to agree with.

Duh. Most of what I said above about fanservice is based on my own impression, so I can say what I feel. I never put my opinion as the majority (after all, Infinite Stratos & Highschool DxD sold like hot cakes and has their armies of fans despite their poor quality).

However, there is one solid fact in my above posts about HO's fanservice: the fact about HO's insistence on focusing the shots on women's erotic regions in almost every episode (among other lame technical excuses for fanservice) which most other real-robot series didn't (and won't) stoop that low in fanservice department (thank heavens). Also about fanservice being shenanigans.

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Duh. Most of what I said above about fanservice is based on my own impression, so I can say what I feel. I never put my opinion as the majority (after all, Infinite Stratos & Highschool DxD sold like hot cakes and has their armies of fans despite their poor quality).

However, there is one solid fact in my above posts about HO's fanservice: the fact about HO's insistence on focusing the shots on women's erotic regions in almost every episode (among other lame technical excuses for fanservice) which most other real-robot series didn't (and won't) stoop that low in fanservice department (thank heavens). Also about fanservice being shenanigans.

That's just JC staff though. I don't see you making a clear case that the fanservice will eventually impact the quality of the real plot.