Yuusha-sama no Oshishou-sama (勇者様のお師匠様)

[Zefyris]

Originally Posted by Stinkt

So this means that in any world where people have brains, Wynn would be already dead since they could simply debuff and kill him easily.

Ofc, I didnt read anything about this LN so I dont know about enemies but, to me it would be quite simple to kill him.

Except that debuff specialists are a minority. That's partially because debuff aren't that effective usually against anything with average magic pool, so it's best to specialise in something else. In a RPG, if you had choice between specializing in something that works most of the time and something that only works against rare opponents (which are usually weak to boot, since no magic), what would you choose?
As Darius Drake said, he actually encounters a debuff specialist early on. That specific debuff specialist isn't strong enough in combat to completely overcome the gap of experience and skill with Wynn, so she still loses, but the fight was far closer than it would have been without debuffing.

BTW, Wynn has encountered many times already peoples that were stronger than him because of magic usage, so just because he's vulnerable to debuff doesn't mean he would die. Because he's not fighting alone against the world, mind you.

[Stinkt]

If he doesnt fight alone, the enemies shouldnt fight too. Lets say the guy at ch 11 that debuffed him had someone with him that was good at combat. Wynn would probably die.

Ofc, this wont ever happen since he is the MC, I was just pointing the flaws in making him with this kind of weakness.

With that being said, I'm just waiting for the TL chs reach something like 30, so I can read.

[kaikalaila]

Question, how heavy is the conspiracy drama? Bribery and noble's nonsense.

Originally Posted by Stinkt

If he doesn't fight alone, the enemies shouldn't fight too. Lets say the guy at ch 11 that debuffed him had someone with him that was good at combat. Wynn would probably die.

Yes in your assumed event, he would die but only if he was alone and outnumbered with the no kill rules not presence or jumped by assassins/jealous nobles and this could be said to anyone.

[Okashira]

Originally Posted by kaikalaila

Question, how heavy is the conspiracy drama? Bribery and noble's nonsense.

It's extreme. I need to snap pens every time certain characters show up.

[Lhklan]

Originally Posted by Stinkt

If he doesnt fight alone, the enemies shouldnt fight too. Lets say the guy at ch 11 that debuffed him had someone with him that was good at combat. Wynn would probably die.

Ofc, this wont ever happen since he is the MC, I was just pointing the flaws in making him with this kind of weakness.

With that being said, I'm just waiting for the TL chs reach something like 30, so I can read.

Uh, what happened to Wynn's companions in this "hypothetical" scenario? He's not fighting alone, remember? In fact, in a straight up fight, there's a chance he'll be ignored and the enemy would focus on Letti instead.

Anyway, I have a theory about how thing works in YnO: just as magical stats are determined by genetics, so are physical stats. For example: a noble could reach 100 in magic stats - MGC, MGC DEF and MP - but only 50 in physics stats whole a farmer would be the opposite - 50 in those three but 100 in HP, ATK and DEF. Except for special cases like Letti of course, who's got a solid 200 in all categories

[Zefyris]

Originally Posted by Stinkt

If he doesnt fight alone, the enemies shouldnt fight too. Lets say the guy at ch 11 that debuffed him had someone with him that was good at combat. Wynn would probably die.

Ofc, this wont ever happen since he is the MC, I was just pointing the flaws in making him with this kind of weakness.

With that being said, I'm just waiting for the TL chs reach something like 30, so I can read.

in chapter 11, that was a duel during a knight training session, every single knight student was fighting a one on one, and he just happened to be paired with a debuff specialist. So not a lethal combat. That's when someone noticed for the first time Wynn's peculiarity. But then agai nthey're not especially being vocal to their enemies about this. "ey ey, please debuff me, I'm vulnerable to debuffing!" well, no. He isn't walking around with a "please debuff me" tatoo on his forehead, so even if he encounters someone who can debuff, chance would be high that he wouldn't be debuffed, except if that particular opponent had info beforehand on him... In most cases peoples fighting in that story don't have prior knowledge about their opponents, so that would be weird if everyone was trying to debuff him on a regular basis.
And obviously enemies aren't fighting alone either. you really should just read it rather than trying to find bad things in a book just by trying to find flaws i na book just from some random comments lol x).

[Stinkt]

Originally Posted by Zefyris

in chapter 11, that was a duel during a knight training session, every single knight student was fighting a one on one, and he just happened to be paired with a debuff specialist. So not a lethal combat. That's when someone noticed for the first time Wynn's peculiarity. But then agai nthey're not especially being vocal to their enemies about this. "ey ey, please debuff me, I'm vulnerable to debuffing!" well, no. He isn't walking around with a "please debuff me" tatoo on his forehead, so even if he encounters someone who can debuff, chance would be high that he wouldn't be debuffed, except if that particular opponent had info beforehand on him... In most cases peoples fighting in that story don't have prior knowledge about their opponents, so that would be weird if everyone was trying to debuff him on a regular basis.
And obviously enemies aren't fighting alone either. you really should just read it rather than trying to find bad things in a book just by trying to find flaws i na book just from some random comments lol x).

As I said, I'm waiting for more TL chs to start reading, this LN seems really interesting. And I wasnt trying to find flaws in the history, just pointed that when you make an MC like this, it could be exploited but wont. It wouldnt be a problem if he were normal, like a farmer.

[Cinnamon]

Originally Posted by Stinkt

As I said, I'm waiting for more TL chs to start reading, this LN seems really interesting. And I wasnt trying to find flaws in the history, just pointed that when you make an MC like this, it could be exploited but wont. It wouldnt be a problem if he were normal, like a farmer.

Oh there are people trying to exploit his weaknesses. Like one of Leticia's companions who knew his strengths and weaknesses beforehand and adapted to it with his skills and magic.

Spoiler for conclusion to their duel:

And Wynn would have lost if not for Leticia interrupting their duel.

[Zefyris]

yeah but that specific opponent is one of the most OP in this verse. Somewhere in top 5 probably, as long as we don't count mazoku/maou/dragons/aerins, I mean.

[coded321]

the setting of this wn is similar to rakudai: underdog mc with low magic ability, top rank sword skills, in a world where magic determines almost everything. though what is the goal of this wn? i mean what goal are the characters trying to achieve? is the mc trying to become the strongest warrior or something?

[xTachibana]

Originally Posted by coded321

the setting of this wn is similar to rakudai: underdog mc with low magic ability, top rank sword skills, in a world where magic determines almost everything. though what is the goal of this wn? i mean what goal are the characters trying to achieve? is the mc trying to become the strongest warrior or something?

no way bro, ittoshura is way more broken than what this MC has, he literally has nothing going for him other than being good with swords, probably being about as good as the hero or a bit better?

[coded321]

Originally Posted by xTachibana

no way bro, ittoshura is way more broken than what this MC has, he literally has nothing going for him other than being good with swords, probably being about as good as the hero or a bit better?

If his sword skills are as good as the hero then wouldn't his sword skills be pretty high? But yeah you have a point about the magic. At least ikkihas enough magic for a special move. This Mc has nada

[Zefyris]

The point of this story isn't a self insert MC that his looked down but is actually OP in his own way. This isn't a story about how MC-kun owns everything and every girls want to get in his ^pants, either.
It is a fantasy story. Simply, that. Dealing with the aftermath of the Maou defeated on both fronts.
Both the remnants of the maou's armies (especially mazoku are still a terrific threat) and dealing with the various schemes/ambitions and so of humans themselves. Since the Maou was defeated, the humans that were once allied against a terrific enemy are now thinking of getting advantage of the post war situation and turning against each other again. And among various schemes, some are clearly trying to use the Hero, as by herself sh's worth an army. And as the closest person to her and the only person who can influence her, obviously the MC is starting to be targeted, too.
The MC also wants to be a knight despite his commoner origin and is hurting himself to the nobility of his kingdom while doing so, as they don't like commoners being knights at all. So there's that part of the story, too.

[xTachibana]

Originally Posted by coded321

If his sword skills are as good as the hero then wouldn't his sword skills be pretty high? But yeah you have a point about the magic. At least ikkihas enough magic for a special move. This Mc has nada

yeah they would, but here's the thing (analogy up ahead)


hero is 10 magic 9 or 10 sword
mc is 9 or 10 sword, 1 magic, probably even 0

anyone with a solid 7-8 sword and good magic of around 5 would still destroy him in a 1v1 fight, and in a group fight? he'd be completely fucked.

remember, he has lost his end of year exams or w/e for the last few years solely because of magic :P


either way, enjoying the story, wonder how long itll take for the mc to apologize for being a dick to the leticia

[Zefyris]

Originally Posted by xTachibana

yeah they would, but here's the thing (analogy up ahead)


hero is 10 magic 9 or 10 sword
mc is 9 or 10 sword, 1 magic, probably even 0

anyone with a solid 7-8 sword and good magic of around 5 would still destroy him in a 1v1 fight, and in a group fight? he'd be completely fucked.

remember, he has lost his end of year exams or w/e for the last few years solely because of magic :P


either way, enjoying the story, wonder how long itll take for the mc to apologize for being a dick to the leticia

Wait what? he never was a dick to leticia. That MC is having an exemplary behaviour all around?

[Darius Drake]

Originally Posted by Cinnamon

Oh there are people trying to exploit his weaknesses. Like one of Leticia's companions who knew his strengths and weaknesses beforehand and adapted to it with his skills and magic.

Spoiler for conclusion to their duel:

And Wynn would have lost if not for Leticia interrupting their duel.

Originally Posted by Zefyris

yeah but that specific opponent is one of the most OP in this verse. Somewhere in top 5 probably, as long as we don't count mazoku/maou/dragons/aerins, I mean.

I suspect you're talking about Sword Saint Rauru Holt Leon. Am I right?

Originally Posted by xTachibana

yeah they would, but here's the thing (analogy up ahead)


hero is 10 magic 9 or 10 sword
mc is 9 or 10 sword, 1 magic, probably even 0

anyone with a solid 7-8 sword and good magic of around 5 would still destroy him in a 1v1 fight, and in a group fight? he'd be completely fucked.

remember, he has lost his end of year exams or w/e for the last few years solely because of magic :P


either way, enjoying the story, wonder how long itll take for the mc to apologize for being a dick to the leticia

Not quite.

Hero & MC rankings about right, though both are probably 10 with sword.

The solid 7-8 Sword & 5 magic wouldn't be able to win against the MC in a 1v1 fight, unless they debuff him. In a group fight, equally sized groups fighting, MC would likely get owned by a Mage in the back line at some point. Equally sized groups of knights would probably have some of their more magically knowledgeable members act as Mages, so you won't get a fight without them.

Oh, and I suspect that the Sword Saint to be an 8-9 in Sword, and 7-9 in Magic. Purely on info from chapter 2 & 3.

[xTachibana]

Originally Posted by Zefyris

Wait what? he never was a dick to leticia. That MC is having an exemplary behaviour all around?

did you not read chapter 9?
“Sorry, Leti… Leticia…-sama, Locke. I’ll go on ahead.”

I mean, it's not a huge dick move (since he wasn't exactly thinking straight), but he himself wants to apologize, he knows his wrongs.

[Zefyris]

Originally Posted by xTachibana

did you not read chapter 9?
“Sorry, Leti… Leticia…-sama, Locke. I’ll go on ahead.”

I mean, it's not a huge dick move (since he wasn't exactly thinking straight), but he himself wants to apologize, he knows his wrongs.

aaah this, wow, that's so long ago, it has been forgotten by every character since like forever.
He wasn't a dick, and while that's very wynn-like to feel bad for doing it and wanting to apologize, it was a very understandable hesitation as well. She's the most important person in the world, he's but a commoner, and the meeting was so unexpected that he didn't have even one minute to think things over.

I suspect you're talking about Sword Saint Rauru Holt Leon. Am I right?

Yes, was talking about Raul. With the hero, the high elf sage, the old dwarf blade master and the weapon master (or whatever title he had, I forgot) werebeast in the south, he's basically among the top 5 of what we know as long as we're removing what I listed above. The hero and the dwarf are above, it seems. I don't know for the others.

[kaikalaila]

Originally Posted by Okashira

It's extreme. I need to snap pens every time certain characters show up.

More Wynn suffering awaits me....At least he will get recognition later one.....right?

[Okashira]

Originally Posted by kaikalaila

More Wynn suffering awaits me....At least he will get recognition later one.....right?

His official job after graduation is a super prestigeous position (check how he is escorting the princess on the covers)........

Originally Posted by Zefyris

Wait what? he never was a dick to leticia. That MC is having an exemplary behaviour all around?

Yep, I would even phrase it as "everything he does, makes her fall for him all over again"