Brexit Vote

[Renegade334]

Theresa May with her hoarse voice (she ain't the only one with a sore throat) reminded me of this little jewel. Life imitating art, really:

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[Key Board]

House of Commons Speaker Bercow blocks third Brexit vote unless May can make substantial changes to her Brexit deal.

He argues that May's Brexit deal has already been rejected twice, and trying it for third time will not do.

[judasmartel]

Originally Posted by Key Board

House of Commons Speaker Bercow blocks third Brexit vote unless May can make substantial changes to her Brexit deal.

He argues that May's Brexit deal has already been rejected twice, and trying it for third time will not do.

So, what exactly do the deal-Brexit MPs want? Are there just too many no-deal Brexit MPs out there that May's deal proposals have been denied twice?

[James Rye]

They want hard Brexit. May got 20+ hardcore Brexiteers who will never vote for any deal she gonna put forward. So she's pretty much done, only question is when she is done for good.

[James Rye]

Yeah, It's going to be hard Brexit after all. No way the MPs will vote for May's deal after that kind of speech from her. So even if she can get the MV3 next week, the deal is still dead. Also lol at Corbyn leaving the meeting because he couldn't stand the independent representative, so childish. As if that is more important than the UK leaving the Eu with no deal in 9 days. And after France, Spain, Belgium and Italy saying they will veto any extension if the deal gets voted down, it's pretty clear that in the end UK will leave not only with a hard Brexit but also a chaotic one. Man the 29th gonna be so interesting to watch.

[Anh_Minh]

At this point, I can only hope we get a no deal Brexit on the 29th. Because really, what are the alternatives? Prolonging the shit show for a no deal a few weeks later? Cancelling the Brexit, leaving the UK with its MEPs and veto power to torpedo any positive change for years to come?

[Key Board]

I'd assume hard brexit means something more dire if you live in Ireland

[Arabesque]

Seems like we are at the stage where the EU is discussing providing an extension of some kind for Brexit, which seems insane given the level of incompetency the UK government had shown (or perhaps, because of it). I have read EU diplomats now referring to the UK as a failed state, which if that's the status we are in 2 and a half years into this mess, wait until we have to endure for longer ...

... so I guess

Originally Posted by Dextro

Brexit is sounding like a badly written anime at this time. Looks like we're 10 episodes into the 13 episode season and new plot points are still being thrown out without any being resolved. And then the writers rush the ending and end up turning the show into a catastrophe.

Season 2 confirmed???

Originally Posted by Key Board

I'd assume hard brexit means something more dire if you live in Ireland

Yeah, at this point it seems that regardless of how much of a joke the British side of the equation is, the Irish side just doesn't want to have sectarian violence be a part of life on the Isle of Ireland. Or the Spanish to have a case of maritime warfare over Gibraltar (maybe?).

[Kakurin]

May at this stage is somewhere in the grey area between completely insane and completely a joke:

“She didn’t even give clarity if she is organising a vote,” said one aide to a leader. “Asked three times what she would do if she lost the vote, she couldn’t say. It was awful. Dreadful. Evasive even by her standards.”

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Arabesque

Season 2 confirmed???

Or maybe it's that bit where they show unplanned recaps and the broadcast of the real final episodes is TBA.

Originally Posted by Kakurin

May at this stage is somewhere in the grey area between completely insane and completely a joke:

But does she put a smile on your face?

[Kakurin]

So the organizers claim that more than a million people participated in the anti-Brexit protests in London today while the petition to revoke Article 50 has exceeded 4 million signatures. The only sensible way forward is to put the Brexit question back to the people, this time on a true referendum basis with the people deciding on a specific course of action with a specific plan, instead of the vague question of "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union? ". But Brexiters, Theresa May and the Tory Party have long left the realm of sense and sensibility.

[Anh_Minh]

Too late for another referendum.

[Ithekro]

They have, what five, six days left?

[Kakurin]

The 2016 referendum established nothing more than that there was a narrow majority of voters in favour of leaving the EU. No concrete plan for leaving the EU was presented during the campaign; on the contrary, it was characterised by contradictory claims and a denial that Brexit would involve trade-offs. Yet May invented a mandate that would bolster Tory unity, adopting red lines on scrapping freedom of movement and leaving the customs union that reflected her party’s Eurosceptic flank rather than public sentiment.

This part from a Guardian editorial captures the problem with May pretty well. Putting party interest ahead of national interests while fanning populist flames by claiming that what she is doing represents "the will of the people".

[Der Langrisser]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

They have, what five, six days left?

They got an extension until 12 April.

[Ithekro]

So twenty days?

[Der Langrisser]

They got until the launch of the EU Parliament election campaign to make a decision.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

So twenty days?

The EU implemented a two-way strategy. If parliament agrees to the withdrawal agreement the extension is until May 22nd (the day before the European elections start). If parliament rejects the deal a third time the deadline is April 12th (the last day the UK can announce participation in the European elections is April 11th).

[James Rye]

"No 3MV on Brexit deal" - what kinda shitshow is this bullshit?!?

[Kakurin]

From a Times column, more signs of how party politics has come to dominate the Brexit process:

I am told that the minutes of the cabinet meeting contain at least five references to the Tories’ narrow political concerns. According to the official account, written by Sir Mark Sedwill, the cabinet secretary, ministers discussed how the government is “committed to delivering Brexit — not to do so would be damaging to the Conservative party”. And in a clear sign of the political nature of the discussion chaired by the prime minister, the minutes end with the words: “The Conservative party wants to stay in government and get councillors elected. The arguments in parliament could jeopardise that.”

It is extremely unusual for such language to creep into a civil service note — partisan debates are supposed to be limited to special political cabinet meetings from which officials are excluded. In fact the tone of the minutes was so extraordinary that the issue was raised at this morning’s cabinet meeting by ministers who stressed the importance of governing in the national rather than the party interest.

This was, however, part of a pattern. One Whitehall source says: “In recent weeks there have been an increasing number of mentions in cabinet minutes about how Brexit has to be delivered for the sake of the Conservative party. That will be damning when the public inquiry into Brexit happens. The civil service are now finding ways of ensuring that the political decisions that are being taken will one day be fully understood.”