Macross 30th Anniversary speculation/discussion thread

[Tak]

Originally Posted by maximilianjenus

not the new macross tv show that I expected

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/inte...tructor-sheryl

I have not grown out of Sheryl yet (especially after surviving May'n's recent LIVE concert), this is actually, welcoming news to me.

- Tak

[magnuskn]

How can one grow out of Sheryl? Tsktsktsk, Tak, your faith in the Empress seems to be decreasing. Need I call a commisar? I know just the right one...

[Tak]

LOL, I love that novel!

- Tak

[magnuskn]

About the only way to make WH40K palatable to me. The constant grimdark would be unbearable unless observed through the lense of parody. ^^

[Tak]

Definitely, the grimdark is getting utterly ridiculous now, and the more obsessive fans aren't helping, either.

Its kind of sad when the only race enjoying the setting in-verse are the Orks...

- Tak

[Darthtabby]

As much as I like Sheryl, it seems like she was chosen for her "Instructor" role in these specials due more to her popularity than anything else. Aren't there other characters who would be a better fit for a history instructor type role than her?

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Darthtabby

As much as I like Sheryl, it seems like she was chosen for her "Instructor" role in these specials due more to her popularity than anything else. Aren't there other characters who would be a better fit for a history instructor type role than her?

Yeah, Max. But he is no fun.

- Tak

[magnuskn]

Eh, he has some comedic talent. But Sheryl will be better.

Sure, the best would probably to reanimate Roys rotting corpse, but you gotta take what you have from the "living characters" list.

[maximilianjenus]

max would be better because we could get max as a instructor and as his alumni have him instruct a different child of his for every episode.

[Tak]

Eh, if his children were more famous, I'd nominate Komilia Jenius.

Milia-sexual himself is way too dead serious almost all the time.

The only times when he wasn't being serious was before he got married.

- Tak

[Yot-chan]

First bit of real info about the upcoming musical, Macross: The Musicalture:

http://macross-musicalture.com/

From what I can tell, it's set in 2062, on the Macross 29, which is something of a refuge for people injured in war. It's completely pacifist, but economic problems have caused widespread unemployment, which in turn leads to the rise of a military group called "Neo-Zentran."

In the midst of this, a new "Miss Macross Contest" happens.

I've already got my ticket, but seriously...I have NO idea if this thing's gonna be any good at all...it's a ¥6800 gamble...

EDIT: The cast -

[Kaioshin Sama]

Changes to be made to the Blu-Ray release of DYRL

Hmm...to be honest this scares the crap out of me as do the prospects for a 30th anniversary Macross series. Kawamori's gotten a whole lot weirder and has had a whole ton of really bad ideas for his shows even since Macross Frontier concluded so the thought of not only him supervising anything new (something I hope in vain doesn't happen), but of him supervising changes to his old stuff just makes me really uncomfortable.

Yeah though, really wary of what's in store for the 30th anniverary celebration seeing as how I've basically lost all faith in Kawamori and he's shown no signs of doing anything to restore it of late. I wait in cautious anticipation.....

As for my hopes for it, it's probably a pipe dream but I would like to see Kawamori dial back the whole pop-idol worship thing a bit (From AKB0048/Frontier levels to say Plus levels) and maybe give a touch more focus to the military/exploration aspect of the franchise without making them all totally incompetent idiots like Spacy has been since about the time of Macross 7. Also wouldn't mind seeing a love interest that isn't a pop idol this time around. The whole pop idol thing is synonomous with Macross and I get that and I think it should remain an element of it's mythos otherwise it wouldn't really be Macross anymore, but I'm not sure I entirely like how it's come to all but dominate the whole context of the franchise and how off the balance has become compared to the shows from the 80's and 90's. It just doesn't feel quite as much about a sweeping space opera of humanity exploring and fighting aliens with transforming planes while there's an idol singing in the background so much as idols performing music video like segments while humanity explores and fights aliens in the background. Not sure if I expect the punditry in this Macross forum to get what I'm saying since I know how much it adores everything Sheryl and the like, but consider it a plea from an old school fan of Macross.

Well anyway to be more specific I wouldn't mind seeing something with a little more drama like Plus either, but I doubt I'll get it from Kawamori so I'll even settle for a Macross Zero...hell as long as it's just not taken to the next level of Kawamori absurdity ala AKB0048 and Aquarion Evol I'll probably be fine in the long run.

[Tak]

You know Kaioshin, its interesting how you brought up Macross 7. Kawamori's involvement with that series was actually quite low, and he wasn't even the director. Though for some odd reason, it was the longest running Macross series and actually one of the most popular series during the late 90s.

And no, I couldn't understand why myself.

That being said, I would argue Macross Zero brought the focus back to the military in a very positive way. Kawamori even done his research with the JSDF, which is something I can appreciate. Still, I don't think every Macross should be like that, although Macross 7 certainly overdone the idol factor...

If there is any changes I want to see in the Blu-Ray edition, I actually want more mecha porn and updated with CG graphics. This might not be everyone's cup of tea, but then again, why not add ORIGINAL REMASTER as an option?

Still, since I won't be making the changes, I guess the only thing I can do is to cross my fingers and wait for what Kawamori will bring upon us...

- Tak

[Endless Soul]

I sincerely hope he's not going George Lucas on us old fans.

Endless "Roy shot first!" Soul

[Tyr Valein]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

Changes to be made to the Blu-Ray release of DYRL

Hmm...to be honest this scares the crap out of me as do the prospects for a 30th anniversary Macross series. Kawamori's gotten a whole lot weirder and has had a whole ton of really bad ideas for his shows even since Macross Frontier concluded so the thought of not only him supervising anything new (something I hope in vain doesn't happen), but of him supervising changes to his old stuff just makes me really uncomfortable.

Yeah though, really wary of what's in store for the 30th anniverary celebration seeing as how I've basically lost all faith in Kawamori and he's shown no signs of doing anything to restore it of late. I wait in cautious anticipation.....

As for my hopes for it, it's probably a pipe dream but I would like to see Kawamori dial back the whole pop-idol worship thing a bit (From AKB0048/Frontier levels to say Plus levels) and maybe give a touch more focus to the military/exploration aspect of the franchise without making them all totally incompetent idiots like Spacy has been since about the time of Macross 7. Also wouldn't mind seeing a love interest that isn't a pop idol this time around. The whole pop idol thing is synonomous with Macross and I get that and I think it should remain an element of it's mythos otherwise it wouldn't really be Macross anymore, but I'm not sure I entirely like how it's come to all but dominate the whole context of the franchise and how off the balance has become compared to the shows from the 80's and 90's. It just doesn't feel quite as much about a sweeping space opera of humanity exploring and fighting aliens with transforming planes while there's an idol singing in the background so much as idols performing music video like segments while humanity explores and fights aliens in the background. Not sure if I expect the punditry in this Macross forum to get what I'm saying since I know how much it adores everything Sheryl and the like, but consider it a plea from an old school fan of Macross.

Well anyway to be more specific I wouldn't mind seeing something with a little more drama like Plus either, but I doubt I'll get it from Kawamori so I'll even settle for a Macross Zero...hell as long as it's just not taken to the next level of Kawamori absurdity ala AKB0048 and Aquarion Evol I'll probably be fine in the long run.

Yeah, I'm not sure what he was thinking with Basquash or AKB0048, but Kawamori is what got me into anime in the first place and I'd gladly defend a crazed, unshaven, raving Kawamori over my own flesh and blood any day of the week (Sad, I know, but the mechanical designs of Macross, Armored Core, and Eureka Seven hold special places in my heart).

As for the pop idol/pilot relationship...I think that's become almost synonymous with "Macross" at this point and after the extreme popularity of Frontier, I don't think we're going to see it fade. I just think we should have a female pilot with a male idol as her love interest. Would be a change of pace to hear a male voice (didn't forget Basara) lending compliments to the inarticulate screams of said female pilot as she guns down/itano circus' whatever enemy we're facing this time. Cause god knows we got plenty of inarticulate screaming out of Alto. Not that I didn't like it...

And I really think that Frontier had a believable reason for having them be on the battlefield during the fights, aside from just musical highlighting and fight choreography (well, most of the time at least. Still don't understand why Ranka was on the deck in SnT when they were re-entering the frickin' atmosphere). Since we know the idol thing will continue, I just want to see what other ways we can make it related to the ongoing plot. I actually watched SnT with my girlfriend the other day and when the final battle began she wondered aloud if there wasn't a reason for them to sing in standard military garb and in the safety of some bunker if they were so necessary to the fight. She knows how much I love my mecha porn though, so she didn't press the issue too hard. I mean, there would have been no awesome dogfight extravaganza between Alto and Brera if it wasn't the direction the series was headed in.

Lastly, my wish for the next series is that Kawamori keep up his effort to make variable fighters look more realistic. I don't know what happened with some of the fighters in the series (we have some that look thin, some that look bulky, some that look organic...), but I greatly enjoy the highly detailed CG used for the VF-25 and YF-29 as well as the more realistic designs. I mean, Frontier's valkryies look like they can FLY. I just hope our VF-30, 35 or 40 or whatever its called is capable of living up to the legacy Frontier has left behind.

Originally Posted by Tak

You know Kaioshin, its interesting how you brought up Macross 7. Kawamori's involvement with that series was actually quite low, and he wasn't even the director. Though for some odd reason, it was the longest running Macross series and actually one of the most popular series during the late 90s.

And no, I couldn't understand why myself.

That being said, I would argue Macross Zero brought the focus back to the military in a very positive way. Kawamori even done his research with the JSDF, which is something I can appreciate. Still, I don't think every Macross should be like that, although Macross 7 certainly overdone the idol factor...

If there is any changes I want to see in the Blu-Ray edition, I actually want more mecha porn and updated with CG graphics. This might not be everyone's cup of tea, but then again, why not add ORIGINAL REMASTER as an option?

Still, since I won't be making the changes, I guess the only thing I can do is to cross my fingers and wait for what Kawamori will bring upon us...

- Tak

I think we all want more mecha porn, Tak. I watch Sayonara no Tsubasa on a weekly basis just to see more YF-29 goodness.

On topic of THE MUSICULTURE, I like the character designs for Daryl Walgria (what kind of girl is named Daryl, Japan?) and Sonia Dosel the best. Wonder if we'll get a cameo of them in a future Macross series. Though I'm sure we'll get a cameo of Sheryl first. I demand it, in fact.

So I guess this finalizes the whole issue of us getting another series, huh? Do we wait until the 35th anniversary for a VF-35 then? Or are we waiting straight until the 40th? Will Shoji Kawamori get senile or develop carpal tunnel and be unable to design more great variable fighters?!

[Ithekro]

A variable version of the F-35 might be interesting, especially if the Japanese start using them in their Navy.

[Tyr Valein]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

A variable version of the F-35 might be interesting, especially if the Japanese start using them in their Navy.

You know, I'd say that the F-35B has too much extraneous and redundant machinery for a valkryie (in the naval version, Gerwalk and the sheer dimensional capability of a variable fighter's thrust vectoring eliminates the need for VTOL, I'd think). But for all the other versions of the F-35, I think that a VF-35 would be a very good idea.

The only differences that I think would have to be rectified are:

a) F-35 has only one main engine
b) VF-35 should have underslung engine intakes to be more in line with the other fighters in the series, though the side mounted intakes of the F-35 aren't necessarily a problem (I have faith in Kawamori).
c) The fact that variable fighters have traditionally had long necks and the F-35 is kinda short and stubby (At least in my opinion).

If you could think of anything else, that would be great. Anything to pass the time as we wait for another 30th anniversary announcement.

EDIT: Considering the real-life electronic capabilities of the F-35, an RVF-35 would be badass. Though I don't see how anyone could improve on the RVF-25's one light-day radar range...

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Tyr Valein

Though I don't see how anyone could improve on the RVF-25's one light-day radar range...

Oh, but they are always improving

The NUNS went from continent killers to planet-busters in a span of half-century, after all.

Now that Fold Quartz can be harvested in quantity, mapping the galaxy (and beyond) is now a distinct possibility

- Tak

[Tyr Valein]

Originally Posted by Tak

Oh, but they are always improving

The NUNS went from continent killers to planet-busters in a span of half-century, after all.

Now that Fold Quartz can be harvested in quantity, mapping the galaxy (and beyond) is now a distinct possibility

- Tak

One thing you can always count on is the amazing production capacity of a (Macross) society in a constant state of warfare. Its all so hard to imagine, when I'm watching Sayonara no Tsubasa, that all the technology they have now was fabricated and mass produced in a little over 50 years. CRAZY.

EDIT: I mean, can you IMAGINE a single fighter/AWACS unit being able to detect any radiation emissions from a distance of close to double the length of our solar system? I don't recall reading how good the radar is on the standard VF-25, but I imagine its at least 1 AU. At this rate, with IFF and data linking, no pilot should ever not know where anything is EVER.

To be honest, I'm very curious about the impact of Fold Quartz on the future of Macross. Now that we can map the galaxy, I hope we can find some of the missing expeditionary ships.

I'm especially curious about how the breakthrough designs of both the VF-27 and YF-29 will affect future valkryies. Will every valkryie from now on have auxiliary engines attached to the wings? Will they all have Tornado Pack-like attachments on top?

Oh, and someone on another forum said something about a series called "Macross Two-Nine" that's slated to be a part of the 30th anniversary festivities? Anyone got any more information on whether its going to be a full series? (I was secretly hoping for a Macross R anime that transitions from races in the 1/4 of the series to the battles and concerts we know and love by the end. I love me some Chelsea Scarlett.)

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Tyr Valein

One thing you can always count on is the amazing production capacity of a (Macross) society in a constant state of warfare. Its all so hard to imagine, when I'm watching Sayonara no Tsubasa, that all the technology they have now was fabricated and mass produced in a little over 50 years. CRAZY.

I got used to that since SDF-1

When the Zentradi invaded the Solar System back in the day, it was a fleet of millions. Then it was revealed that it was a million-ship fleet... out of thousands (with more being produced)...

Is that even possible? Imagine them lining up, they'd cause a galactic traffic jam...

A single 5 million ship fleet is supported by approximately 40 factory satellites. After acquiring the technology, I am not as surprised that NUNS came up with some impressive reverse-engineering on their own.

And you take into account that there are hundreds, if not thousands of colonial fleets spreading across the galaxy.

Originally Posted by Tyr Valein

I'm especially curious about how the breakthrough designs of both the VF-27 and YF-29 will affect future valkryies. Will every valkryie from now on have auxiliary engines attached to the wings? Will they all have Tornado Pack-like attachments on top?

Both of these concepts had been around for a long time as well. Back in the day, they were known as FAST packs. Valkyries with auxiliary engines were found on early fighters such as the VF-4.

- Tak