2012-03-21, 14:37 | Link #28221 | |
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Actually, that sounds like what Will says in Ep7...
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2012-03-21, 16:46 | Link #28223 |
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Well, yeah I know, but the thing is that at that point Yasu shouldn't know of Battler's future return, or of George's marriage proposal and stuff like that.
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2012-03-21, 17:49 | Link #28224 |
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What if Krauss and Natsuhi buried the body in the forest, but then Yasu went to dig the body back out when the 1986 conference approached? She needs the corpse after all. If there's no corpse then there's no need for the witch. Kinzo can be blamed for all crimes.
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2012-03-21, 18:06 | Link #28226 |
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I've read a bit about that. I believe that it depends on how you bury the body. Usually it takes from few months to 1-2 years for a body to decompose. And that's when you bury it in fairly shallow ground. Burying it deeper, in wet soil and inside a coffin will make the decomposition much slower. The less air can get to it, the better. So I believe this gives the body 5-10 years.
Besides, I wouldn't put it past Kinzo to not decompose completely in 2 years
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2012-03-21, 18:16 | Link #28227 | |
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Personally, I don't think he was ever buried. After the first year, the siblings were already suspicious that Kinzo might be dead. After a few years they would probably do something like a full scale search on the island (since it's a small one as well). Then it'd be better for them to discard of the body somewhere else, instead of taking that risk. Of course, this completely makes his body appearing impossible. |
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2012-03-21, 18:34 | Link #28228 | |
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It's either buried really deep and remained intact for the 2 years, or was embalmed by Nanjo. One of the two must have happened. Otherwise there would have been a skeleton in the incinerator. What does it matter anyway?
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2012-03-21, 20:05 | Link #28229 | |||
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If Genji says he'll take care of the corpse no one is going to ask him where he'd stuck it. For all they know/care he could use it as his personal Teddy Bear and no one would mind (except maybe Natsuhi...) Also CSI ranted more than once about not too hard methods to keep a corse in a decent conservation state... but as I generally don't like that part much I always end up forgetting that sort of tricks. Though I think the truth is we aren't supposed to wonder how they managed to keep there Kinzo's body. I think this is another of those things we aren't supposed to solve... though it's likely not one of the things that happened in Prime. Quote:
This would give Kinzo a proper resting place and I doubt someone would try to check which ashes are his wife's and which are his. Quote:
And yes, we keep on slamming against the same point. If Natsuhi and Krauss wanted Kinzo to be declared missing why to store away his body? If Yasuda hadn't planned yet her mistery game why to store away his body? If they didn't store away his body how come his body is still around? The only option I can come up is that it was Kinzo's will to have his body preserved and through Krauss wanted to get rid of it he didn't feel like going against his father's wills... though Kinzo wasn't one to write down his wills or carying for things that would happen after his death (or so he said) so this point too is moth. Another possibility is that Natsuhi wanted to give him a proper burial/burning/whatever... but would she be willing to risk so much in order to do so? |
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2012-03-21, 20:42 | Link #28230 | ||
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I still think Yasu has it.
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Just another thought. I believe when Clair asked about EP1, 4th Twilight, Will just responded "Illusions to Illusions. Let the man of illusions return to illusions." It's the only time Kinzo's death was specifically mentioned within the Clair v. Will battle, so when talking about this subject, we should keep that in mind.
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2012-03-21, 20:46 | Link #28231 |
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Does this really matter? Wasn't his corpse "hardly recognizable" in the games aside from his toes? At the point they find him his body is so destroyed they don't even think to guess when he died.
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2012-03-22, 02:37 | Link #28232 | ||
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Anyways, just restating that someone creating a forgery pretty much HAS to account for Kinzo somehow, and any forgery attempting to capture the same "feel" as the originals will almost certainly not put him out in the open unless they go the lolGoldsmith route. Also, regarding why Kratsuhi may perhaps have not taken the best measures to ensure their success ... well, this isn't a very satisfying answer, but is it possible they were just ... kind of incompetent in that regard? Outside of a few clever moments, I would say they're presented as the least-intelligent of the Ushiromiya adults. Maybe between the initial schock, and hysteria, and emotional attachments, and Krauss inviting astronauts to dinner, they intended to be more thorough, but maybe just never got around to it. Or didn't think it through QUITE enough. This is their first experience with such a task, after all. I'd hope. |
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2012-03-22, 04:24 | Link #28233 | ||
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But if Kinzo's body was being stored frozen (or embalmed...) at Kuwadorian, I'd have to assume either that Yasuda or the other servants in the know were behind the idea. Not that it makes any sense for Natsuhi and Krauss to want to keep such incriminating evidence around in the first place. Edit: Oh, I see on second reading through the thread that JJ already said that. Quote:
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2012-03-22, 07:51 | Link #28234 |
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A skeleton and a body thrown into a furnace is actually a big difference. A body would still have most of it's skin left in a horrible state, while a skeleton would be blackened and brittle, to the point of the bones actually starting to break down.. If it was just the skeleton left, I'm pretty sure someone would have pointed it out.
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2012-03-22, 12:56 | Link #28239 | |
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The following episodes are something else though. The challenging Beatrice is sort of vanished, replaced by Bern & Erika (note how in EP 5 Maria sees Erika and not Beato while searching for her rose). Plus EP 5 sees Erika forcing Kinzo to be alive even though it's obvious he's dead, EP 6 accepts he's dead but they don't even bother discussing it and EP 7... Well, the Lion part is an alternate AU where Kinzo is still alive while in the teaparty the murder game never starts, though the siblings say they know Kinzo is dead. EP 8 is another AU. In short Kinzo's status wasn't anymore a mystery so no one was interested about it (except for the bit in EP 5 where they knew Kinzo was dead but ignored it to build up a logic that would pin Natsuhi as culprit). |
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2012-03-22, 14:29 | Link #28240 |
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It's not so much "Kinzo's alive or dead" status, it's the fact that "Kinzo's body is never found in the incinerator."
I understand Chiru takes a different direction from Ni; EP5-6 are left "unfinished" and 7-8 are like AUs, but it's just interesting to think about.
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