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Fujitori has Laws words that he acted has an alliance with Luffy. Luffy signal handedly just took down his 3rd Shichibukai. Thats how the WG and Marines will see this whole situation. If Daflamingo falls to Luffy (or Zoro) then that will be the fourth one to fall to the Straw Hats and two in one day. Fujitori is going to try and bring the Straw hats in so they stop screwing with the Shichibukai title. Has for Kaidou the whole underworld just saw CC’s experiment at punk hazard and saw Luffy fighting with CC. I don’t think Kaidou is that stupid when it comes to his deals with Daflamingo. Has for Burgess it fits with the pattern Luffy has running so far. Kaidou(Punk Hazard), Big Mamma(Fisherman Island), and what next Black Beard (Dressrossa). Luffy is undefeated in the New World. Quote:
Right now with all the enemies (Yonkous, Marines, WG, Every other pirate). Having one Black Beard’s Crew go down would not be that anti-climatic and it would not be the end of Black Beard. Quote:
The end battle does not mean the people you started with will be with you in the end. That goes for everybody in the one piece universe. I kinda expect when luffy finally reaches his goal i think one of the original Straw hat will be killed off. Quote:
Luffy is not the one that looking for the fight. Burgess is the one who wants it. Also the nature of the tournament and were it is going almost guarantees the confrontation. Quote:
I think Luffy (or Zoro) can take Daflamingo by themselves. Doflamingo even warned his subordinates at punk hazard to be careful of Luffy because he awakened his King Haki. That show he is not taking Luffy lightly. Also like I said with Marvel B undefeated. Quote:
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2013-08-31, 15:17 | Link #64 |
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I think his Haki mastery should be quite good when Rayleigh can't teach him new stuff after 1,5 years although his estimation was, that Luffy would need at least two years to learn the basics. In the remaining half year Luffy refined his Haki even further.
His strength based attacks pounded the sh*t out of the guys in the New World until now, so that's why I've been saying that his greatest weak spot, like two years ago, is his attitude and experience in real fights. He rushes into battles without thinking, which can be deadly against cunning opponents like the ones that are up ahead. |
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2013-08-31, 15:46 | Link #66 |
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Yeah, that's my point too.
Luffy's way of fighting is way too reckless against such opponents. I'm sure his Haki and strength are pretty good already, with Rayleigh telling him to head for the top, but he needs to be more clever at times like these. About Law: I don't know if he could escape easily or fight back a little bit better if he wouldn't have a set goal in mind. His main objective is to stall time for the others so it's hard to say if he gives that fight his all. Something that caught my attention when I reread a couple of chapters after the time skip: Luffy used a Haki imbued Jet Pistol to take down PX-5. I thought that combination ignites his fist and is called Hawk Shot or did I miss something? |
2013-08-31, 16:11 | Link #68 | |
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I doubt that would have helped him much. Chinjao still would have lost. He didn't come anywhere close to fully pushing Luffy.
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2013-08-31, 18:14 | Link #69 | |
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I guess buggy the clown is the most powerful warlord. He could take on a yonkou. Rogers is laughing in his grave. Law is not on the same level has Luffy. Daflamingo is going to be the 4th shibukai to fall because of Luffy. I just hope Oda will pull Zoro out of the bench warming duty. |
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I already alluded to this in my previous post, but the alliance hasn't really crippled Kaidou in the slightest so far. Sure, Law destroyed the SAD factory at Punk Hazard, but that doesn't mean jack as long as Caesar, the guy who created SAD, is still at large. It's really just Doflamingo who they pissed off so far, and notice that the guy already had appropriate countermeasures prepared (the fake news about giving up his title, the tournament, having Jora attack the Sunny, etc.). It wouldn't be until either the death/arrest of Caesar or the downfall of Dofla and his Smile factory that we can consider the true first blow to be struck against Kaidou. And as far as your whole "undefeated Luffy" comments go..... well, BDK already took care of that one. Quote:
Like I said above about the alliance, you have to observe the whole package here, not the individual contents. Blackbeard's crew as a whole has a great amount of importance as they're strongly implied to be a kind of evil mirror version of the Straw-Hat crew. In fact, they're all the more important now ESPECIALLY because the captain is now an emperor. It would hurt all of the build-up they're gotten over the years if one of them happens to be taken out now. Like I said, if Luffy DOES take on Burgess, it would make more sense if the two merely had a brief clash just to gauge each others' strength. Besides, I think it's pretty darn clear that Blackbeard's crew will have gotten stronger during the skip as well (and frankly, you've gotta be kidding yourself if you believe otherwise)..... Quote:
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Yes, but my point was that Luffy had no beef with Burgess to begin with. If they do fight, it's going to be for the sake of beating the tournament, nothing personal. Nothing suggests that they'll be having some epic deathmatch against each other. Oh, and one more thing: Quote:
Hmph, you may scoff now, but just you wait 'til the series' end when Buggy The Great becomes the one and only Pirate God! |
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reasons: 1) well, he's heading there, while luffy is nowhere near the guy 2) it doesn't look like law can win (could still pull another "just kidding, let me slash you and this whole island in half", yes, but seriously :P ) 3) doflamingo is a swordsman (of sorts), usually being a swordsman and meeting zoro makes you a dead swordsman :P also, zoro, while not being a strategist like sanji, is far less reckless than luffy. we can all agree that dofla is a tricky mofo, and since I don't want to start an argument about luffy vs zoro, I'll just say that his cautiousness makes him the better fighter against doflamingo. But law is losing against doflamingo! Are you saying zoro is stronger than law? Well, not. Maybe true, but not what I'm saying. First of all, Law was fighting against dofla and an admiral, we can't be surprised of his loss. Second, we probably can all agree on the fact that zoro is stronger than law as far as swordsmanship goes. Third, dofla knows very well law, and so probably has a very specific tactic against him (i.e. making him lose his stamina, just by guessing) |
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Zoro's opponent will probably be the guy sitting in the spade chair. Quote:
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how can you say that zoro isn't likely to go up against doflamingo? Law is most likely out, luffy is busy with the tournament and will have to defeat diamante (and even if something happens with the tournament, as is certainly possible, he is miles away from doflamingo and just a few meters upwards of the factory), sanji is raiding the factory. nobody else is even remotely capable of standing against doflamingo. plus, zoro is heading to the sunny which is heading towards dofla. now I'm not saying it's a sure thing, but it does seem plausible. |
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I very much believe we'll see his puppetry abilities again. They haven't even been explained yet, so expect to see more of them in the near future. Doflamingo's abilities have always been a big mystery; we need to get a solid understanding of how they work, which I'm sure Oda will delve into soon. You're only looking at the scenario right now, which could easily change at any upcoming given moment.
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The whole concept of "swordsman" in OP is vague at best. When Mihawk met Zoro in East Blue, he mentioned Zoro gaining enough fame to be called a "swordsman." If we go with that, being a swordsman in OP is just gaining fame and using a sword. The OP wiki even lists Roger as a swordsman, and no-one in their right mind would dare claim Mihawk, the World's Greatest Swordsman, is stronger than the Pirate King.
And am I the only one who thinks the whole Chinjao thing was a waste of time? When he was first introduced and mentioned having a grudge against Luffy's grandfather, and then reacting violently when he heard Rayleigh was still alive, I thought we were actually going to learn something significant about Garp. Instead, all we learned is Garp can hit really hard.
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Maybe Zoro will have a run-in with Doflamingo. But I don't see him defeating him. That defeat will be reserved for later on.
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That was a pretty good chapter, HA ended like Dragon Ball with the ring smashed up like that. Wonder how long it will take for the next block, if we have to take a break for the time being from the block, Luffy's going to go through hell avoiding enemy's and fans a like till thanXD
I'm excited for when Luffy's rivals from the tournament confront him, that should be fun even if short. Glad we don't have a break, bet next weeks about the after math of Luffy's identity being revealed.
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