Good Ending (GE)

[KLGChaos]

@frubam: My post came off sounding harsher than I intended, but I blame it on the frustration I feel at this chapter. Felt the author brought up this type of scenario way too soon after things were finally going good. Would have preferred a few chapters of things settling down before ruining everything so quickly... Especially with a cliched misunderstanding.

[Tsuyoshi]

You know, I'm starting to get really fed up with Yuki's misunderstandings. If she gets another one after this, I'm dropping this series. I mean, nothing against the series itself but it's just getting so repetitive when you have the same kind of scenario over and over. It happened already with that co-worker girl and now this. Yuki just isn't normal because she always has to make assumptions on her own without asking Utsumi anything, as if she already knows what's going on. One more time and I'll give up on reading this.

[Cream]

Originally Posted by Tsuyoshi

You know, I'm starting to get really fed up with Yuki's misunderstandings. If she gets another one after this, I'm dropping this series. I mean, nothing against the series itself but it's just getting so repetitive when you have the same kind of scenario over and over. It happened already with that co-worker girl and now this. Yuki just isn't normal because she always has to make assumptions on her own without asking Utsumi anything, as if she already knows what's going on. One more time and I'll give up on reading this.

Glad i'm not the only one. Its getting depressing having to re-read the same scenarios over and over again. Although i won't have the guts to drop this manga .

[KLGChaos]

New chapter is out in raw form...

Spoiler:

And it's a funny one. We get to see more of look girl and the hilarious milf. Looks like Ryou works for the photo studio and he meets up with Utsumi. He may actually play a part in clearing up this mess, but we'll see. Best part of the chapter was when the older lady kisses Ryou out of nowhere... You have to see how she does it to get the full effect.

[Rainrir]

For those that think 60 is a "stupid misunderstanding"...

Spoiler:

Yuki having this kind of reaction to "little things" is established from her character and her inferred past. That Yuki sees a mountain in a molehill is to be expected if we consider how much she tries to protect herself, what possibly happened to her and how much she was hurt from that incident.

You know why some animals have tough armor? Because the inside is soft. Yuki is precisely like that. Yuki grown enough to let a person into her heart (Utsumi), this was some what built up over the chapters, but now the problem Utsumi faces is of a different nature. The fireworks chapter was a warning shot about her own insecurity, pessimism and fear of betrayal. However, that got glossed over when everyone saw the "good end" to the festival. This time round, this will be the REAL test to see if Yuki can get over her flaws and have a future with Utsumi. I personally think it is good if they can devote some chapters to explore all this and give us some character development.

Yuki did give Utsumi a chance to come clean. , in the sense that she "tested" him with her questions. Utsumi, be it due to a sense of guilt, ignorance or convience, failed to come clean with her. This feed Yuki's fear and insecurity, which lead her to say what she did. Frankly, looking at how Utsumi seems to be "spooning" Shou and how Utsumi SEEMS to be evasive after the act...I think most sane girls will wonder if something is up. Yuki was not wrong to wonder the same. Her problem is that her character and her past makes her see this as far, far, FAR, FAR more serious than it actually is or should be.

This is why I don't really see this as forced, because it is completely consistent with Yuki's established character. Utsumi only got past one hurdle, there are more to cross. I only bemoan that everyone see this as excessive drama and "stupid" misunderstanding, while not seeing the underlying issues that is brought to bear by this development. This is a chance for Yuki to grow more, I think we should relish it.

Does noone read my posts?

Also 61 is a breather chapter, more abuse incoming in 62...

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by Rainrir

For those that think 60 is a "stupid misunderstanding"...

Spoiler:

Yuki having this kind of reaction to "little things" is established from her character and her inferred past. That Yuki sees a mountain in a molehill is to be expected if we consider how much she tries to protect herself, what possibly happened to her and how much she was hurt from that incident.

You know why some animals have tough armor? Because the inside is soft. Yuki is precisely like that. Yuki grown enough to let a person into her heart (Utsumi), this was some what built up over the chapters, but now the problem Utsumi faces is of a different nature. The fireworks chapter was a warning shot about her own insecurity, pessimism and fear of betrayal. However, that got glossed over when everyone saw the "good end" to the festival. This time round, this will be the REAL test to see if Yuki can get over her flaws and have a future with Utsumi. I personally think it is good if they can devote some chapters to explore all this and give us some character development.

Yuki did give Utsumi a chance to come clean. , in the sense that she "tested" him with her questions. Utsumi, be it due to a sense of guilt, ignorance or convience, failed to come clean with her. This feed Yuki's fear and insecurity, which lead her to say what she did. Frankly, looking at how Utsumi seems to be "spooning" Shou and how Utsumi SEEMS to be evasive after the act...I think most sane girls will wonder if something is up. Yuki was not wrong to wonder the same. Her problem is that her character and her past makes her see this as far, far, FAR, FAR more serious than it actually is or should be.

This is why I don't really see this as forced, because it is completely consistent with Yuki's established character. Utsumi only got past one hurdle, there are more to cross. I only bemoan that everyone see this as excessive drama and "stupid" misunderstanding, while not seeing the underlying issues that is brought to bear by this development. This is a chance for Yuki to grow more, I think we should relish it.

Does noone read my posts?

Also 61 is a breather chapter, more abuse incoming in 62...

Spoiler for The misunderstanding:

Yes but you also have to consider how Yuki worded her questions. She simply said "I was there and I did come to see you" when she never even entered the room. I would've expected her and any other sane girl to tell him exactly what she saw and ask him to explain it to her rather than try and force it out of him with subtle questions and coming to quick conclusions after only seeing part of what happened. Her problem is that she's only able to see the negative. I wouldn't call that having tough armor, I'd call that being insecure and lacking faith in people to be loyal to her, and Utsumi was loyal to Yuki.

[Rainrir]

Spoiler:

Yes but you also have to consider how Yuki worded her questions. She simply said "I was there and I did come to see you" when she never even entered the room. I would've expected her and any other sane girl to tell him exactly what she saw and ask him to explain it to her rather than try and force it out of him with subtle questions and coming to quick conclusions after only seeing part of what happened. Her problem is that she's only able to see the negative. I wouldn't call that having tough armor, I'd call that being insecure and lacking faith in people to be loyal to her, and Utsumi was loyal to Yuki.

Spoiler:

Armor refers to how icy and tough she was before Utsumi managed to get himself into her heart. She never had to face the problems of insecurity, pessimism and jealous streaks when her heart is sealed with ice and she makes herself unable to love anyone back. However, this changed when she allowed herself to love Utsumi back. What we see now is the manifestation of wounds that are unfrozen and opening up again. Hence, I see this as necessary in Yuki's recovery and this was already hinted at in the earlier chapters. This development is a "random misunderstanding". This event is a mainfestation of Yuki's innate problems. We must always remember that Yuki's past is dark and there are many things we don't know about her. Not all girls react by confronting the boy. Shou for example, was too scared to ask Kento and tries to pretend that nothing is happening.

A man coming home and seeing his wife in embrace with another man. The wife then seems to be in denial over it later. There is no way the man is gonna see the event in a good light. This is made worse if the man has abandonment, betrayal issues. This is what happened to Yuki

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by Rainrir

Spoiler:

Armor refers to how icy and tough she was before Utsumi managed to get himself into her heart. She never had to face the problems of insecurity, pessimism and jealous streaks when her heart is sealed with ice and she makes herself unable to love anyone back. However, this changed when she allowed herself to love Utsumi back. What we see now is the manifestation of wounds that are unfrozen and opening up again. Hence, I see this as necessary in Yuki's recovery and this was already hinted at in the earlier chapters. This development is a "random misunderstanding". This event is a mainfestation of Yuki's innate problems. We must always remember that Yuki's past is dark and there are many things we don't know about her. Not all girls react by confronting the boy. Shou for example, was too scared to ask Kento and tries to pretend that nothing is happening.

A man coming home and seeing his wife in embrace with another man, then seems to be in denial over it later is gonna see the event in a bad light. This is what happened to Yuki

Spoiler:

Even so, she is rather quick to close it considering what happened. I agree that her insecurity is a manifestation of her past but this doesn't excuse the way she questioned Utsumi and the way she told him where she had really been (i.e. standing outside the room). Because of the way she phrased what she said, she made it sound like she had actually been inside the room rather than outside. Obviously, Utsumi would also misunderstand and think she had been there with him while he was unconscious. He wouldn't have thought she caught him hugging Shou, as would no other normal man. To me, it sounds like she was hoping for an evasive answer to further feed her insecurity so she could close her heart again easier. Considering the previous event with the junior girl (keep forgetting her name), she should've known better than to think Utsumi was doing it with other girls and ask him more directly. Instead, she decides to make conclusions for herself because she doesn't know how exactly to deal with it.

[Rainrir]

Even so, she is rather quick to close it considering what happened. I agree that her insecurity is a manifestation of her past but this doesn't excuse the way she questioned Utsumi and the way she told him where she had really been (i.e. standing outside the room). Because of the way she phrased what she said, she made it sound like she had actually been inside the room rather than outside. Obviously, Utsumi would also misunderstand and think she had been there with him while he was unconscious.

That wasn't even the point of her question. Her question hinted that she might have saw something she doesn't like. While she was being indirect, Utsumi was kinda dense to not detecting anything at all. This is where he needs to learn about Yuki's personality more.

He wouldn't have thought she caught him hugging Shou, as would no other normal man. To me, it sounds like she was hoping for an evasive answer to further feed her insecurity so she could close her heart again easier. Considering the previous event with the junior girl (keep forgetting her name), she should've known better than to think Utsumi was doing it with other girls and ask him more directly. Instead, she decides to make conclusions for herself because she doesn't know how exactly to deal with it.

Utsumi stopped dead after mentioning Shou. Regardless of what whether he was trying to tell a white lie or didn't think it is important, this is hardly ressuring to Yuiki. As my exmaple pointed out, it looks like evasion to a reasonable person who only saw what Yuki saw. Do not forget that she is the one losing sleep over this AND she was visibly distressed when she saw that scene.

This was hard on her as well. I do not think "Yuki wants let go". Yuki is COMPELLED to do so by her own past and personality. Unlike Risa, Utsumi once loved Shou. Unlike Risa, this time around she saw things with her own eyes, not by some inferrence. Yes, Yuki doesn't know how to deal with it. Instead of "QQ"ing about how Yuki doesn't confirm everything like some robot, you need to understand that her emotional problems prevent her from doing the "rational" thing and take things more seriously than it should be. This is the part of her character that needs to grow, and this is not the same as her problems before today.

So how on earth is it cyclic or random or stupid again (this is the original charge by a majority of the people here)? It is clearly not the author's fault if noone sees the subtle changes in the course of the storyline. Not every "change" or "epiphany" needs to be spelt out like some battle manga "upgrade". It was obvious to me that this is clearly a different problem from what Utsumi encountered from the start (which is Yuki's aversion to relationships).

[kanon78]

Originally Posted by Rainrir

Unlike Risa, Utsumi once loved Shou. Unlike Risa, this time around she saw things with her own eyes, not by some inferrence. Yes, Yuki doesn't know how to deal with it. Instead of "QQ"ing about how Yuki doesn't confirm everything like some robot, you need to understand that her emotional problems prevent her from doing the "rational" thing and take things more seriously than it should be. This is the part of her character that needs to grow, and this is not the same as her problems before today.

So how on earth is it cyclic or random or stupid again (this is the original charge by a majority of the people here)? It is clearly not the author's fault if noone sees the subtle changes in the course of the storyline. Not every "change" or "epiphany" needs to be spelt out like some battle manga "upgrade". It was obvious to me that this is clearly a different problem from what Utsumi encountered from the start (which is Yuki's aversion to relationships).

I think your post says it all. I don't get this antipathy against Yuki's behaviour either, which is deeply rooted in her scarred past where betrayel had a major impact on her (love) life.
Even if she mellowed down towards Utsumi to the point that she doesn't shy away from being intimate with him (kissing) and told him she was ready to hear his confession.
A couple of chapters ago when Yuki told Shou that she couldn't help her with Utsumi is a radical change (first step towards leaving the mistful doubts of her insecurities and fear for betrayel) for Kurokawa if you consider how she set utsumi and Shou up for a date (some chapters before) when she was supposed tot come along with them. At that point she still wasn't able to be honest to herself, obviously hiding behind the (false) idea she was helping both Shou and Utsumi. For her to trust Utsumi that much to go this far with him (accepting his confession(s) and being intimate) is a major achievement for both Yuki and Utsumi, only he doesn't have any clue (because he's still in the dark about waht happened to Yuki).
the way Yuki reacted when she saw Utsumi and Shou together melted all these feelings and bad memories together.

[Haru~]

Ok I read Chapter 62
And Yuki is a girl who will never move on in her life. She's unstable and very much traumatized. But it doesn't mean that she has to lie on her own feelings. I think Utsumi should go on and take Shou instead than wasting time to Yuki who doesn't even want to let go of her past. You see, Utsumi bounced back from heartbreak after heartbreak. (Shou's and Yuki's fault). But he's not afraid to love again. Yuki should learn this.
Major lesson for Yuki to understand: You can never move on if you can't let go of your past.
Advice for Utsumi: Better let go of this girl if you don't want any more trouble. There are many girls out there fighting over you. But if you really want to fight for your so-called "love one", better take masochistic lessons from Sado Tarou, then go into battle like Touma's willingness to follow Index in hell.

[Cream]

Its called going after what you want Yuki , stop worrying about anything else. Stop assuming things and learn to just ask about them. Its really not that hard , jesus christ.

Repeat repeat repeat repeat , thats all this manga is.
Why do i keep reading it , ffs.

[ZODDGUTS]

What she needs is a psychologist to deal with her issues, but that's not gonna happen because in Japan and other asian countries look down on people that get psychology help.

[n0c0ntr0l]

Originally Posted by ZODDGUTS

What she needs is a psychologist to deal with her issues, but that's not gonna happen because in Japan and other asian countries look down on people that get psychology help.

Quoted for the Truth

Yuki has some serious issues that cause her to lash out at the slightest hint of trouble. Utsumi didn't do anything wrong. She didn't walk in on them kissing or having sex. It was just a hug. Her paranoia is unjustified. But what is worse, much much worse, is the way in which she just stabbed Utsumi in the heart. She went out of her way to choose the most hurtful words possible and said it to him to get rid of him. If he gives up, he has noone to blame but herself. In fact if Shou goes out of her way to let Yuki know that Utsumi was rejecting her there and Yuki comes begging for forgiveness even then Utsumi should kick her out on the curb and tell her to come back when she really has fixed her issues.

[Solecs]

I think Utsumi was dumb in the confrontation as well. Bringing up the other guy again was pretty stupid of him. Not to say Yuki doesn't have her issues, but Utsumi wasn't helping matters.

It was pretty obvious something happened between the night they got locked out and when they left camp, so it should have been obvious that it was in the confines of camp. The other guy shouldn't have been an issue, Utsumi is just obsessed with him it seems. Neither side really handled the situation well.

[scrumly1]

Originally Posted by Solecs

I think Utsumi was dumb in the confrontation as well. Bringing up the other guy again was pretty stupid of him. Not to say Yuki doesn't have her issues, but Utsumi wasn't helping matters.

It was pretty obvious something happened between the night they got locked out and when they left camp, so it should have been obvious that it was in the confines of camp. The other guy shouldn't have been an issue, Utsumi is just obsessed with him it seems. Neither side really handled the situation well.

Utsumi's problem is he is immature, Yuki's problems are pathological. It might be best for him to get some more character growth before they try again. But the girl does seriously need help.

[HayashiTakara]

Originally Posted by Cream

Its called going after what you want Yuki , stop worrying about anything else. Stop assuming things and learn to just ask about them. Its really not that hard , jesus christ.

Repeat repeat repeat repeat , thats all this manga is.
Why do i keep reading it , ffs.

I said the same thing, not too long ago lol. I enjoy the series but the author reuses the same plot device too often. In fact it's nearly the only plot device he uses to cause conflict with the characters

[Master Chibi]

This manga is afraid of itself.

"OH SHIT, THEY'VE BEEN IN A RELATIONSHIP FOR TWO CHAPTERS, QUICK INTRODUCE SOME DRAMA".

Seriously now, I think this series was better than that.

[HayashiTakara]

Well at least its still better than Kimi no Iru lol

[Waven]

Doesn't matter who's at fault here - They're both teenagers and therefore bound to be stupid and immature.

However, the plot is what's flawed. How many times did we have the Yuki backing off > Utsu saying something about Touru > quarrel route? Right, way too many times.